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21 Jan 2008 11:25 am

Dan Balz writes of Florida for The Washington Post that it "looms as a potential showdown in the GOP nomination battle not only because of its size and importance but because it will be the first place this year where all the leading candidates are competing." Perhaps. On the other hand, Pollster.com currently has things as Rudy 21.7 percent, McCain 20 percent, Huckabee 18.3 percent, Romney 17.9 percent, Thompson 8 percent, and Paul 5 percent.

Now Florida's a winner-take-all state, so if Rudy really does sneak ahead of McCain he'll end up with a nice parcel full of delegates. That's real and that matters. Still, as a test of strength Rudy's ability to secure 21.7 percent of the vote against a badly divided field wouldn't be particular impressive. Similarly, if Rudy's slide continues and McCain gets a boost and he wins with 22-23 percent, that wouldn't be particularly impressive. The very depth of the field makes it all-but-certain that the winner will be pulling in a pretty pathetic plurality which, in turn, makes it hard to see this as a decisive test. Simply put, there are too many candidates in the race.

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Sure, it will still be a plurality race, but you're not addressing Balz's main point: we now have a 10-day race, where all the candidates are putting in their best effort, in a large swing state with diversity reasonably comparable to the US as a whole (or as close as you can get in one state).

While obviously who the winner is won't tell us much about how the various factions will coalesce around one or two front-runners, it will give us a very clear sense of who has the strongest hand going in to Super Tuesday.

Close the italics tag!!!

Am I the only one who sees the whole blog italicized except for "Dan Balz writes of Florida for"? Could it be just a case of missing a "/i" tag after "The Washington Post"?

Odd.

Happens all the time, Chuck!

it will give us a very clear sense of who has the strongest hand going in to Super Tuesday.

Unless it's a four way tie, like the current polls suggest. As a winner-take-all state we can see a huge swing if the turnout is well within the polling margin of error. If Huckabee takes it - we'll be told that it means social conservatives are resurgent. If Romney - the corporate masters, if Giuliani - it's a referendum on national security, and if McCain - it means we're getting "serious" about foreign policy.

All of that is nonsense. A race that close tells us nothing about the meaning of the election or the odds that the winner will go on to win the nomination. And certainly nothing about his strength going into Super Tuesday. (The delegates matter of course, but that's it).

Let's see if this closes it.

Cranky

Giuliani is going to collapse in the next two weeks, I imagine.

Right:
Interesting comment.

please close the italics tag matt!

Hope that works.

So why does the posting software strip off unmatched tags in comments but not in main page posts?

Cranky

Actually, I would think that a Romney victory (now a distinct possibility given the latest Rasmussen poll rumors) would be quite meaningful. It would A) finish off Guiliani, a competitor for Establishment candidate B) give Mitt a large pile of delegates, adding to his already considerable advantage C) make voters, if not the MSM, forget McCain for a moment D) Show that Mitt can win in the South and E) give him major Mo going into 2/5.

The greatest contribution Giuliani has made (no, Knights Who Say "9/11," keep quiet) is his strategy of losing. Now whenever I see that I am going to lose at anything, I just declare in advance that this is my "strategy." It really pisses people off, actually. And makes me look brilliant. Win, win.

Simply put, there are too many (top-tier)candidates in the race.

This is why the Republican will lose in November. The fragmenting now is a very good symbol and indication of the actual fragmenting of the Reagan coalition.

Furthermore, the current environment is only exacerbating this. In sports, internal problems are muted when you're winning, because in the end all that matters is winning. Similarly, the horrible fiscal and economic situation and the failure in Iraq are only making the Republican crack-up worse. If the country thought Bush's policies were great, not so much of a problem. Of course, they're horrible and failures. I hope Rudy wins Florida. That would put the entire race in complete chaos.

Hopefully this or this will close the italics.

Rudy's going to tank in FL, just look at the trends in the polls the past few weeks, he's dropped considerably and it would be sweet to see Paul romp over Rudy in FL as he did McCain in NV.

Sheesh.

D) Show that Mitt can win in the South

I agree with most of your points, except for that one. If Romney gets 20% and loses, your argument is that he can't win in the South, but if he gets 20.1% and wins, it's proof he can?

Matt, do you mind adding a tag to close the italics?

Fix the frigging italic tag after 'Washington Post', Matt.

The reason Florida is a major showdown is that the press crowns whoever gets the most votes in a primary as the "winner" and gives them lots of positive press even if it's not a winner-take-all election and the margin of victory is tiny. They'll do it even if the popular-vote winner doesn't win the most delegates. It doesn't make much sense but that's the system we have.

Giuliani has you all fooled. That was his plan.

Giuliani is inevitable. Admit it now, assholes.

"If Romney gets 20% and loses, your argument is that he can't win in the South, but if he gets 20.1% and wins, it's proof he can?"

Jinchi: Well, yeah, I guess that is my argument:-) Many of these Republican primaries are not proportional or even winner-take-all and this thing is about delegates. None of which is to say that he could pull southern states consistently in the general but that's another matter.

that Obama fellow: "we worship an awesome God..."

the mind of Rudolph Giuliani: "I am an awesome God..."


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