After all this time being told by the Clinton campaign that Barack Obama is some kind of closet Reagan-worshipping right-winger, it's a bit confusing to be told that he's the second coming of Jesse Jackson, too.
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Which to Believe?
26 Jan 2008 09:01 pm
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Goldbergian (Rube or Jonah take your pick)
He's a right wing republican, movement conservative muslim, rainbow push coalition operative, and inexperienced.
But if you like him anyway, it's just because you've bought into the 'fairy tale.'
Go Obama!
If Obama beats the Clintons can they just go away and STOP TALKING on the news? That would probably for the best.
HRC talk in the Senate.
WJC please go lead Davos and talk there.
Wow!
55%-27%-18% with 95% reporting. Higher Democratic turnout than Republican (~490,000-420,000).
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
Yuck. Yuck yuck yuck. The Clinton campaign is gross and unpleasant.
SoCalJustice:
You also forgot that he opposed the war in 2002-early 2003 before it started, then suddenly changed his mind about it in late 2003-2005. You know, after everything he said concerned him about it ended up being true, and every rationale for war was proven false, and the country was steadily devolving into a civil war clusterfuck.
The lies the Clintons have been putting out there are absolutely insulting to the intelligence of voters.
Shorter Bill Clinton: "Obama is a Negro. Just like Jesse Jackson. And there are a lot of Negroes in South Carolina. You do the math. Oh, and by the way, I think it is shameful how the press is injecting race into this campaign. You should be focusing on the real issue here, which is Obama's Jesse-Jackson blackness and how that will hurt him outside of the deep, black South."
Ben,
Indeed, I just ran the numbers. Maybe, just maybe, we can put a dent in the red south.
Will Hilary give a speech after Obama's? Not a good idea.
This Edwards supporter is on the verge of sending a fat check to Obama...
First TPM, then Sully, now you too! Come on, Clinton's point is perfectly fair. Obama is great but you don't need to take the Sully road of rabid partisanship.
The Dems need to keep it civil and avoid the Dick Morris style race-baiting. It's exactly the trap the craven MSM wants to spring on them.
First TPM, then Sully, now you too! Come on, Clinton's point is perfectly fair. Obama is great but you don't need to take the Sully road of rabid partisanship.
The Dems need to keep it civil and avoid the Dick Morris style race-baiting. It's exactly the trap the craven MSM wants to spring on them.
Next it'll be that kitchen boy Obama used to spit in the shakes of white customers at Burger King.
Clinton is not going to give a concession speech, instead she plans to deliver her campaign speech. That's classy.
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THE TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
(1) He was accepted into Columbia and Harvard because of affirmative action (not academic merit)
(2) His black nationalist church in Chicago has called for the execution of all white people.
Need I say more? I'm not even going to mention his proclivity for raping white women.
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The truth about Senator Obama:
He didn't check off the race box when he applied to HLS.
Source: The Corner, over at NRO.
"The Dems need to keep it civil and avoid the Dick Morris style race-baiting."
I agree. Obama doesn't want to be the "black candidate." So why is the Clinton campaign telling the AP that Obama has been branded the "black candidate" and will suffer for it? I'm just amazed that so many left-wing bloggers have taken so long to actually notice that it's an intentional strategy.
I don't think either Clinton is saying those passive aggressive things to point out Barack's blackness.
That's Mark Penn speaking...but he's their guy and he's their responsibility and perhaps what he's saying is what they want him to say.
Sad.
She's losing me, in fact probably lost me. I thought I was going to vote for her on 2/5, but last week gave to Edwards. But it looks like I'm going to have to choose between the two biggies. Looking bad for her now.
I'm a big Bill Clinton fan, but he is not running this time. Maybe it's not fair, but I just get turned off to her candidacy when I see him stump for her. I can't put my finger on why, I really can't.
Liz,
I've never called for a poster to be banned but if I see your slander about Obama raping white women one more time you will be the first.
Support your candidate with valid arguments, Hillary supporters are proving themselves to be no better than the worst Rovians, you really are just two sides of the same coin, the thinly veiled racism is bad enough, but throwing slanderous lies like that is beyond obscene, if I met you in person I'd be inclined to spit in your face at the least.
David,
I wasn't Mark Penn who unpromopted kept reminding people like Jesse Jackson won SC, it wss you hero St Bill.
they are very sleazy, arrogant and corrupt. they always have been and always will be. you have to wonder whether they actually have values that transend their narrasissm.
Didn't Obama's S.C. victory speech say that the Dems have left behind "divisions, diversions, and drama?"
I hope so, because that's how the Clintons weave their dark webs of deceit.
I guess the victim of the VRWC didn't make her concession speech yet. Wonder how long we'll have to wait.
As for her, I'd consider filing for divorce.
Wait, the post from "Liz Matheson" is supposed to be serious, not some ridiculously over-the-top satire? Don't tell me that this sort of crap is actually being spread. . . .
To give George W. Bush his due, he never race baited like this.
HRC: All the imperialist war, this time with Negro hating.
To give George W. Bush his due, he never race baited like this.
HRC: All the imperialist war, this time with Negro hating.
To give George W. Bush his due, he never race baited like this.
Hey, did you hear? John McCain has a black bastard baby!
Barack Obama, The Audacity Of Hope:
That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was government at every level had become too cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often bureaucracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities.
I agree with this. But it's not exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from a "progressive."
Hey, did you hear? John McCain has a black bastard baby!
Indeed, but Bush never said that himself. Clinton has been making an ass of himself, personally.
Speaking of Jesse Jackson, what kind of rhetoric did Dukakis use against him in the primaries? Was it anywhere near as unpleasant as this Clinton shit?
Yeah, John, that's true. But the McCain smear was much more distasteful than anything I've heard either Clinton say about Obama. And the "who literally said it" question really doesn't matter that much. (And I am a guy who, too, is not happy with Bill's conduct the last few weeks and is rooting for Obama. But still.)
Maybe when Jeb! runs in four years he'll have George out there doing all he can to smear the rest of the GOP field. More likely, though, George will be spending his afternoons eating potato chips on a sofa in Dallas (you don't think he's keeping the ranch, do you?) and earning $40,000 a night telling 30 minutes worth of lies and bad jokes to GOP PACs.
Obama did McCain one better, fathering TWO black children! Expect this to hit the wire soon...
It's late-80s now, is it? I see Bill's Jesse Jackson and raise him Chuck D:
Straight up racists the Clintons are, simple and plain
Motherfuck them and Chris Lehane.
Thanks for posting that quote from Obama's book. It shows me that Obama's Reagan comments in Las Vegas were not a fluke. This guy's mission is to divide the Democratic Party.
I was only vaguely aware of the Democratic primary at the time (I was pretty young), but my impression from reading about it is that Jesse Jackson was never really a threat to win in 1988 so I doubt that Dukakis really went negative on him in a serious way. It wouldn't have served much purpose for him. He was probably too busy exchanging volleys with Al Gore for the later part of the race anyway . . .
I wouldn't take quotes out of context from Obama's book that seriously. Bill Clinton said very similar stuff in 1991, by the way. HRC has said nice things about Reagon as well.
Saying that Obama is trying to divide his own party is manifestly foolish. Almost nobody has a successful Presidency by dividing their own party. You certainly can't win elections that way in a two party system unless the other party is having an all out civil war of the type the Democrats had in 1860 or the Republicans had in 1912 when those parties actually split. Obama has a pretty liberal voting record (more than the other two candidates) and a fairly standard Dem policy platform (similar to HRC but not quite as far left in tone or on some issues as Edwards).
The not-so-subtle point of the Reagan stuff is "Look, I want to be a President who can reach out to people who might not agree with me on a lot of the issues but find my tone and approach to things appealing. By bringing these people into the progressive coalition, I can accomplish a lot and move the politics of this country in a new (more liberal) direction." Just as Reagan brought lots of "Reagan Democrats" into the conservative coalition, Obama wants to bring moderates and a some right of center voters who are tired of Bush into a progressive coalition. Let's face it: most Americans are not liberals. If you to enact progressive legislation you have to get lots of non-liberals to vote for a Democratic President and Democratic congresspeople. The more the better. Can Obama pull this off? I don't know - it is an open question, but I think that he has a real chance which is better than I have felt about politics in a while. Anyhow, that is the pitch here - what the Reagan stuff is really about. That he uses Reagan as an example is just a part of the strategy that he is talking about when he invokes Reagan. He is saying to moderates - "yes, I understand why you like Reagan even if I don't like his policies and that is a reason that you should feel comfortable supporting me even though you don't agree with me on all the issues" and to liberals "let's build a governing coalition for progressive change to accomplish the left-wing responce to the Reagan revolution" That is what Obama's candidacy is about and that is why it is exciting.
"First TPM, then Sully, now you too! Come on, Clinton's point is perfectly fair. Obama is great but you don't need to take the Sully road of rabid partisanship.
The Dems need to keep it civil and avoid the Dick Morris style race-baiting. It's exactly the trap the craven MSM wants to spring on them.
Posted by Scott Kern | January 26, 2008 9:30 PM"
Translation: when someone calls you a negro, just grin and bear it. Clinton seems to be doing everything he can to destroy his reputation. It's one thing you make an ass like Chris Wallace eat his own shit, but when you start yelling out "Jesse Jackson! Black people!" you just look retarded.
Exactly, ikl. People who can't get the Reagan reference are infuriatingly obtuse. THE GUY BECAME A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER IN CHICAGO WHEN HE COULD HAVE MADE MAD $ IN NEW YORK AFTER GRADUATING FROM COLUMBIA! He is not a fucking republican, he just knows how to talk to them & convince them to support liberal policies.
You guys are unbelievable! yup I can tell from the comments that obama is bringing the country together. Did you not hear what the "reporter" asked? What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes two of you to beat him? I thought that Bill was very gracious after that opening in every comment about a great campaign and a great candidate. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that the people who won the SC primaries do not necessarily go on to win the nomination.
Yesterday, I listed to a few people debate whether Bill Clinton was race bating, what had he actually said, was it really fair and it made me stop and question my perception that he had. But now I am clear, he has, he is. Really - the campaign trying to frame it as just a "black win" along with Clinton doing the Jesse Jackson comparison. This is so wrong as a tactic and very bad for the long term health of our party. I am so glad that it is backfiring on them.
Yesterday, I listened to a few people debate whether Bill Clinton was race bating, what had he actually said, was it really fair and it made me stop and question my perception that he had. But now I am clear, he has, he is. Really - the campaign trying to frame it as just a "black win" along with Clinton doing the Jesse Jackson comparison. This is so wrong as a tactic and very bad for the long term health of our party. I am so glad that it is backfiring on them.
"Bringing the country together" doesn't mean being a doormat.
Also you wouldn't know it from many corners of the internet, but polls show that most Democratic primary voters like both Clinton and Obama . . .
eric k,
It's silly of you to read Liz Matheson's comments and somehow attribute that to "Hillary supporters" in general.
Like another poster, I too saw Liz's post as over-the-top satire, but I guess it could be a serious claim. Assuming it was meant to be taken literally, it's still terribly hasty and unfair of you to take it as an example of what "Hillary supporters" are up to.
He is the second coming of Jesse Jackson - he's a slick-talking black guy, as I've been pointing out for weeks.
Whether he's as crooked and cynical as Jesse Jackson, I don't know.
Of course, Bill's motivation for saying something like that is to race-bait, obviously. But it's technically true, and that's why Bill is saying it - because it will resonate with everyone who recognizes that Obama is a slick-talking black guy.
The fact that anybody cares about that - politicians are supposed to be slick talkers, as Bill himself is the epitome of that - as opposed to actually analyzing Obama's policies is the problem.
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That was the Unity ticket in 1980, Reagan/Jackson. Don't you remember?
Posted by lampwick | January 26, 2008 9:06 PM