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Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?

16 Jan 2008 10:37 am

Julian Sanchez and Dave Weigel report for Reason that it was primarily Lew Rockwell, probably working with a few associates, also named. They also report that the racist writings in the Ron Paul newsletters were part of a larger strategy:

Rockwell explained the thrust of the idea in a 1990 Liberty essay entitled "The Case for Paleo-Libertarianism." To Rockwell, the LP was a "party of the stoned," a halfway house for libertines that had to be "de-loused." To grow, the movement had to embrace older conservative values. "State-enforced segregation," Rockwell wrote, "was wrong, but so is State-enforced integration. State-enforced segregation was not wrong because separateness is wrong, however. Wishing to associate with members of one's own race, nationality, religion, class, sex, or even political party is a natural and normal human impulse."

The most detailed description of the strategy came in an essay Rothbard wrote for the January 1992 Rothbard-Rockwell Report, titled "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement." Lamenting that mainstream intellectuals and opinion leaders were too invested in the status quo to be brought around to a libertarian view, Rothbard pointed to David Duke and Joseph McCarthy as models for an "Outreach to the Rednecks," which would fashion a broad libertarian/paleoconservative coalition by targeting the disaffected working and middle classes. (Duke, a former Klansman, was discussed in strikingly similar terms in a 1990 Ron Paul Political Report.) These groups could be mobilized to oppose an expansive state, Rothbard posited, by exposing an "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America." [...]

The presidential campaign Rothbard and Rockwell supported in 1988 was Ron Paul's run on the Libertarian Party ticket. In 1992, they were again ready to back Paul, until Pat Buchanan convinced the obstetrician to withdraw and back his conservative challenge to then-president Bush. "We have a dream," Rockwell wrote in that same January 1992 edition of RRR, "and perhaps someday it will come to pass. (Hell, if 'Dr.' King can have a dream, why can't we?) Our dream is that, one day, we Buchananites can present Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the liberal and conservative and centrist elites, with a dramatic choice....We can say: 'Look, gang: you have a choice, it's either Pat Buchanan or David Duke.'"

Sanchez and Weigel go on to note that Paul has shifted gears well away from this political strategy:

But perhaps the best refutation of the old approach is not the absence of race-baiting rhetoric from its progenitors, but the success of the 2008 Ron Paul phenomenon. The man who was once the Great Paleolibertarian Hope has built a broad base of enthusiastic supporters without resorting to venomous rhetoric or coded racism. He has stuck stubbornly to the issues of sound money, "humble foreign policy," and shrinking the state. He wraps up his speeches with a three-part paean to individualism: "I don't want to run your life," "I don't want to run the economy," and "I don't want to run the world." He talks about the disproportionate effect of the drug war on African-Americans, and appeared at a September 2007 Republican debate on black issues that was boycotted by the then-frontrunners. All this and more have brought him $30 million-plus from more than 100,000 donors; thousands of campaign volunteers, and the largest rallies he's ever spoken to, including a crowd of almost 5,000 in Philadelphia.

This is all true enough as far as the strategic direction of the libertarian movement goes. Then again, as best I can tell Paul's anti-immigration views have about as much appeal as his libertarian ones. Most of all, though, I think this dog won't hunt: "Ron Paul may not be a racist, but he became complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists—and taking 'moral responsibility' for that now means more than just uttering the phrase." That's right on moral responsibility, but I don't think it's right on racism. To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view.

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It seems now that Ron Paul's real electoral support has been shown to be limited to a few wackos, the Paulbots have retired from hijacking any and every thread that mentions Paul. If a libertarian Republican can't win NH, there really isn't any place he could win. I wonder if this rather poor showing hinders our hopes of a Paul third-party bid?

I think there are more important issues that cause one to oppose Ron Paul than this spotty issue of racism. It is, after all, very cryptic. Our arguments here on your blog about the gold standard were, after all, mostly an informed and spirited discussion on the possible negative reprocussion of a gold standard. Don't forget, that is a policy that he as President can implement without Congress (or so I assume).

Um, "this spotty issue of racism" is rather important, actually, and completely disqualifying regardless of whatever other qualities Paul might possess. I agree completely with Matt's conclusion. No one held a gun to Paul's head and made him endorse the odious views that went out under his name. He used his very own libertarian free will to decide the strategy was peachy keen. He can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

By this measure any Republican who benefited from "the Southern Strategy" including Ronald Reagan and George Bush are rascist.

To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view.

Quite right, Surely this is also true of Hilary Clinton's campaign?

Can someone explain to me what "taking moral responsibility" means?

Well, as many a RonPaulBot is quick to point out, the odious letters were written by a staff who was dismissed. Now that may be enough to dissuade you and I on Ron Paul, but I don't think middle white America sees it that way. I think they will be quick to forgive Mr. Paul in the same way that the RonPaulBots grant him clemency. Which is why I harp on the gold standard issue, because I believe you can easily make a convincing argument that the gold standard is bad for America and the RonPaulBots.

Hillary Clinton is married to an adulterer, so does she support adultery?

What Ranald said. The Clinton campaign has been engaged in heavy race-baiting for the last couple weeks; if racist attacks make Paul racist, then they make Clinton racist. (This, of course, isn't even touching upon the Clintons' past with welfare reform, the crime bill, Ricky Ray Rector, etc., all of which indicate a certain lack of sympathy for black people.) So: are you ready to vote for a racist in the general, Matt?

To Ricky...


No... we just don't waste our time on stupid ridiculous nonsense like this article, which is clearly a hit piece designed to make sheeple rethink their opportunity to find freedom again.

Pwned

Libertarianism denounces violence, this includes state sponsored forced integration. The states power is enforced at the barrel of a gun. Thus, denouncing forced integration does not necessarily make you a racist in my view.

Can someone please define racism for me? I always thought it meant that you were racist if you think one race is superior to another. How does pointing out facts about certain people of a certain race become racism? I'm just confused. But then I went to private school so I wasn't indoctrinated into believing that every time I make a comment about a person of color that I am automatically a racist.

I, personally, could not live with a painstaking investigation of every facet of my life over the last 25 years, and I doubt that very many others could, either. During the worst period of the newsletter era, according to the Reason story linked above, Paul's organization made almost a million dollars a year. OK. So, they discovered that pandering to fringe groups was a very lucrative business.

Ron Paul is not a racist, and 90% of the coverage I have seen accepts that point. Move on. I don't care about what happened back then, and I'll be sending the Paul campaign another $100 dollars or so on the 21st.

Dig around on the web, and find Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Beyond Vietnam" speech, listen to it, and tell me who you think he would be supporting for president in this campaign.

That's a really odd conclusion. I can't believe Paul wouldn't get your vote because he was complicit in this nonsense when 2-3 troops are being killed every day. Paul is not the problem.

The last sentence is absolutely right. Our general discourse in this county has adopted a definition of racism so narrow that it is literally impossible to be a racist if you don't explicitly say "I hate black people."

Racism means things like:

(1) Preferring not to hire blacks (because you think they are likely to be underqualified);

(2) Preferring not to live in a neighborhood with a significant black population (because you're worried about crime);

(3) Not wanting young black men shopping in your store (because they're the ones who commit thefts and holdups);

(4) Assuming that if blacks are underrepresented in elite schools, professions, etc., it's because they just lack the intelligence to succeed (because everyone knows that the US is a meritocracy except for affirmative action);

(5) Encouraging other people to think things like 1-4.

It's perfectly possible to do all that and still enjoy watching black athletes or actors or even for "some of your best friends" to be black, but in contemporary American discourse, unless you irrationally hate all blacks, you can't be a racist.

Ignorant racist crackers - The most courted voting bloc in America over the past 20 years?

Lucky them!

NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/011308_not_racist.htm

Now lets get back to the real issues.

Doesn't the libertarian movement, in general, have a record of supporting the right to discriminate? Weren't libertarians generally standing with white southerners in the 50's and 60's? My impression is that libertarians were not the ones marching with MLK and, generally, supported the right of white southerners to discriminate against black people in restaurants and other private businesses. I'm hardly an expert on this so maybe someone can point to a good primer for libertarian views on the civil rights struggles of the 50's/60's.

2-3 troops are being killed every day

I honestly don't care about the troops anymore. How many Iraqis are getting killed every day? Anywhere between a couple hundred thousand and a million and a half Iraqis have died since the invasion. I feel bad for anyone who got suckered into joining the U.S. military, but they at least had some idea what they were getting into and some choice in the matter. No one in Iraq chose to have their country blown apart by fucknut Americans.

To Ricky...


No... we just don't waste our time on stupid ridiculous nonsense like this article, which is clearly a hit piece designed to make sheeple rethink their opportunity to find freedom again.

Pwned

Here's a hint, if you claim something you wrote "Pwned" something or someone, odds are good it didn't.

Ron Paul is not a racist, and 90% of the coverage I have seen accepts that point. Move on. I don't care about what happened back then, and I'll be sending the Paul campaign another $100 dollars or so on the 21st.

Back then? The 90s? Yeah ancient history why do people bring this pre-9/11 stuff up?

I don't think Paul is racist, but Lew Rockwell probably is. You think Lew isn't going to be influential in a Paul administration? If Paul hasn't dumped him by now there is no reason to believe he will. Lew will be at least as high up as Rove was, if not higher.

It is interesting what people call "disqualifying" remarks. What other remarks should be "disqualifying"? Maybe you should make a list for me, I can't think for myself.

"It seems now that Ron Paul's real electoral support has been shown to be limited to a few wackos, the Paulbots have retired from hijacking any and every thread that mentions Paul."

Did you know that Ron Paul has garnered more votes total than Rudy Guilliani or Fred Thompson so far? For better or worse, Ron Paul's message is resonating with a substantial number of people, despite little traditional media coverage.

"To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view."

How can you write this when the NAACP Austin Chapter President came out in defence of Ron Paul, citing his twenty years relationship with Dr. Paul? Why would you trust an unsigned, obscure newsletter over this sort of personal testimony (which has been coming from all of Dr. Paul's acquaintances)? Besides, Dr. Paul is plainly not indifferent to the well-being of African American's, especially considering his position on the drug policy and death penalty.

"Sanchez and Weigel go on to note that Paul has shifted gears well away from this political strategy."

It wasn't Paul who changed the strategy--it was never Paul's strategy to begin with--it was Lew Rockwell, as the article points out. You should correct this, lest you be misleading.

Nice try, but Ron Paul's heroes are MLK and Rosa Parks...Did you see how he beat Rudy AGAIN in Michigan...and Thompson too!!!!

Smart political strategists know that race is one of the issues that will make white baby boomers hide under their beds. Presenting Ron Paul as a racist has been a smart move on his opponents part. Instead of relying on spin masters please visit ronpaullibrary.org to read his actual writings on topics such as race. Many have called the WWII generation the best, I believe many will come call the baby boom generation the worst.

The anti-Paulbots who think they can easily make a case against the gold standard are kidding themselves, as usual.

The case against the gold standard is merely a case for counterfeiting and it can't stand up either morally or economically. It is popular with government economists because power means buying votes and buying votes requires either counterfeiting or going broke sooner.

As with all frauds, the counterfeiting needs its own euphemistic and obscurantist rhetoric to fool casual observers, but it's easily exposed if one looks at all carefully.

Nice try, but Ron Paul's heroes are MLK and Rosa Parks...Did you see how he beat Rudy AGAIN in Michigan...and Thompson too!!!!

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Re "To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view "
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The problem is that the Democratic Party leadership -- especially the Clintons -- have shown an even greater malignant indifference to black people. And disguised it with two-faced lip service.

Ron Paul did not push NAFTA. Ron Paul did not pander to corporations and the Hispanic swing vote by supporting the functional equivalent of treason -- importing tens of millions of immigrants --both legal and illegal -- to destroy economic opportunities and wages for our poorest citizens.

It is not Ron Paul who sets up grossly disportionate sentences for blacks vs whites in the war on drugs-- for "crack" vs "cocaine". It is not Ron Paul who functionally condemns most black males to either live life in prison or to die in Iraq protecting Israel.

It is not Ron Paul Who disarms the people of poor neighborhoods and then refuses to provide adequate police protection. Who thinks it fine for millions of black youths to endure 12 years of a shitty education which gives them no hope --for the sake of pandering to teachers unions.

Interesting to note that there's not a single racist comment in the above quote from Lew Rockwell. Sure they may be guilty of some questionable political tactics, just as the neoconservative pandering to christian conservatives that began in earnest in the 1980's was a questionable manipulation of a large voting bloc.

The political strategy was to try and find a particular strata of society in which to exploit for sheer numbers. Again, just as the neocons did with the religious right. It's unfortunate that they felt they had to come up with some scheme in order to win voters, but I believe they felt then as they do now, that they're facing an "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America." It could be worded better for sure, but the result is the same. They're against the corporatist, elitist, mercantilistic, welfare/warfare state that we're currently in. No where in that quote did they link up the notion of "parasitic underclass" with any single minority. The connection, in fact, is being made in your minds. Why?

Ron Paul has said again and again that he didn't write these things. Do you believe he's a liar? After researching his ten term career as a congressman from Texas, and looking at his voting record, listening to hours of his speeches, observing his love of Ghandi, MLK, his tolerance of all relgious people, his support from the NAACP in Texas, his online support from the gay community, from the Jewish community, etc, etc., etc, These allegations are false. Let it go.

Win the argument, not by cheating and pandering to emotional hot button issues, but by trying to defeat Ron Paul's platforms: Individual liberty, individual responsibility, no policing the world, no war in Iraq, no IRS, sound money (which may or may NOT include some variation of the gold standard - which you'll discover if you do your research), limited government, states rights, and the Constitution. Stop trying to ruin a good man by attacking his supporters. Grow up, move on.

Let's give scrutiny to Ron Paul and ignore the problems with the other candidates. Even if Ron Paul were a racist, his proposals and policies go against these ideas. Now Hillary, Barack and Edwards believe in legalized theft and are willing to enforce it. Is that better? McCain, Thompson, Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee believe its ok killing innocent civilians as part of the war on terror. They also believe its ok to have our soldiers die in Iraq where we have no business being. These are real problems.

We can throw the baby out with the bath water and say Ron Paul is unacceptable and that's fine. Just don't tell me the other candidates are any better. In fact they are far worse. Let's give them the same kind of scrutiny RonPaulHaterBots are giving to Ron Paul.

Ricky, it looks like you spoke too soon!

Re "Wishing to associate with members of one's own race, nationality, religion, class, sex, or even political party is a natural and normal human impulse."
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I don't agree. But anyone care to take a look at the home neighborhoods of the Democratic leadership/Members of Congress and lay out the racial demographics of those neighborhoods?

Then do the same with the real rulers of the Democratic Party -- the top donors.

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Yes.

Ask yourself this: why is it that your definition of "similar" is based on skin color?

Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?

My initial guess was Richard Steven Hack - but the newsletters weren't quite rambling and crazy enough - although this one might be.

Congrats to Lew Rockwell (and close buddy Justin Raimondo) on your newfound infamy. Gotta love the "libertarians."

How does it feel to singlehandedly torpedo the campaign of the only man who could save America?

Too funny.

I mean, he'll still be President one day, right Paultards? At least we'll see more of "teh crazy" for years to come.

Matt, you should be careful with your (admittedly small) flirtations with Justin - for various reasons. But you cannot say that you haven't been sufficiently warned. This is what this crowd is all about - not "antiwar." Rather, it's full-up with a weird combination of fun things like extreme Putin-love and crazy race baiting.

McCain was one of the Keating 5 in the Keating Scandal 20 years ago. If you want to go back 20 years to find mud on people, that is REAL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
"In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating."

One of these senators was John McCain, sponsor of the McCain Feingold Campaign reform bill (really an incumbent protection bill).

THE NATION; The Confusing Case of the Keating 5
By RICHARD L. BERKE
Published: October 28, 1990
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEED81F3CF93BA15753C1A966958260

But, since McCain is one of the media "anointed" candidates, we don't hear about this.

Liberarianism didn't really clearly exist in the 50's and 60's. Libertarians don't support racism, though we support the right to your own biases.

@ Kevin

No, he said, "race, nationality, religion, class, sex, or even political party," not "skin color."

Example of a disqualifying remark:
#1. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

I'm amazed at how many people are working so hard to make sure this story doesn't entirely lose its pulse. Ron Paul is associated with, but did not write, some harsh phrases that can be found in 15 year old photocopies ... That's your breaking news?

Meanwhile, he is the only viable candidate who will end the ethnic cleansing called the war on drugs. He is the only candidate proposing to actually have enough respect for the Iraqis to "give them their country back."

His anti-government belief system draws some racists and quasi-racists who are anti government too. That's the beginning and end of your story. You do realize that, right?

If you look at real issues, all other candidates are proposing policies that will result in the mass imprisonment and an ongoing massacre of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of minorities. But that's okay because they use flowery phrases ...

Thanks for your article about photo copies. Please don't talk about the legions of blacks rotting in prison, or the Iraqi children with their arms and legs blown off.

Obviously from this article, the newsletter issue is dead.

You know, this entire line of argument can and will most likely be used to associate Obama with some afrocentrist preacher he's linked himself with.

No... we just don't waste our time on stupid ridiculous nonsense like this article, which is clearly a hit piece designed to make sheeple rethink their opportunity to find freedom again.

Pwned


You take an awful lot of interest in this election for someone not old enough to vote.

Ron Paul's problem is his ties to Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Rockwell rarely makes overtly racist comments, but it is clear after thoroughly studying LewRockwell.com and the Mises Institute that he has such heavy ties to neo-Confederate "racialist" groups that it's hard to argue he isn't a racist. It is clear that his audience consists of survivalists and Bircher-types, and I'm being kind.

While it isn't clearly apparent from a first impression that Rockwell himself is one of these neo-Confederate types, his writing is filled with doublespeak and codewords that extremist paleoconservatives will understand clearly.

Once the mainstream media finishes digging up Rockwell's past, Paul's campaign will implode and tarnish the image of libertarianism in the public mind for a long time.

Good grief. Published on the 16th - THREE days following a statement of support of Paul and condemnation of attacks on his character by Austin NAACP Pres (a chapter that truly knows what racism is about no less)...

Quite a clear example of the MSM cesspool of disinfo and smear regurgitating the very same ad infinitum as their main 'journalistic' pursuit. And they wonder why his supporters are 'spamming' their comment boxes - somebody has to correct this utter incompetence.

You want to talk racist? How about questioning why not a single other candidate Republican or Democrat will not stand in support with Paul's call for a Presidential pardon to all non-violent drug offenders and a repeal of this phony drug war that criminalizes entirely on race lines.

You know that according to IQ data, half of you are below average intelligence? It shows.

Ron Paul isn't a racist. You're just like the Bush admin/media group-think that got us into Iraq.

Ron Paul supporters are average people. The people who say we aren't are racist only about politics. Hatemongers. Hate us because we don't think like you; real classy.

(2) Preferring not to live in a neighborhood with a significant black population (because you're worried about crime);

(3) Not wanting young black men shopping in your store (because they're the ones who commit thefts and holdups);

(...)

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Yes.

Well, I like very mixed neighbourhoods myself and am living in one, but then I'm the caricature of a cosmopolitan bleeding heart champagne socialist.

I wouldn't like to live in an area were I would feel threatened by criminals, but then fortunately that doesn't make me a racist in London, as there are solidly white areas which are just as dangerous as other areas dominated by other groups. But if I was living in the US in an area as is depicted in "The Wire", I would try to get the hell out of there as fast as possible, because I would feel threatened and out of place - that doesn't make me a racist.

Also, ethnic groups tend to huddle together in certain areas, e.g. if you drive from Heathrow to Central London, you'll come across neighbourhoods which are solidly Pakistani or Indian. I don't like this tendency because it leads to isolation instead of integration or interaction - but I wouldn't call the people choosing to stick together in this way racist necessarily.

Please don't talk about the legions of blacks rotting in prison

Ron Paul - Champion of African-Americans!!!!

Awesome.

And true - oh so true, just ask Lew:

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

There has never been a safer assumption.

Thanks LewPaul. Maybe he should have had Steve Sailer write his newsletters - he's basically from the same fever swamp as Rockwell.

Jesus.

Eric Dondero, his former aide of 12 years reports that Paul wrote 40% of the Newsletters and was very involved in them, Rockwell the other 60%. Funny how Reason leaves that out of their report.

And its not just racism, its insane Conspiracy theories in these newsletters and anti-Israel rhetoric as well.

When you go on Alex "The Jews did 9/11" JOnes radio show, which is all about insane conspiracies, placate to their views and engage openly in others like the North American Union.

Paul is a loon, and the media should expose him instead of continue to give him a pass

In fact:

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Maybe Steve Sailer was also a ghost writer for Paul.

If not, Rockwell probably owes him some copyright royalties.

You know you've got a great candidate when the best his detractors can come up with is quotes from a fifteen year old newsletter taken out of context and written by someone else.

Ron Paul's entire platform is a constitutional federal government, and everyone here knows it. If you no longer want to have a Constitution -- if you would rather that federal politicians make up laws as they go along -- be forthright enough to admit it. Trying to associate constitutionalism with racism is pathetic.

Jesus H Christ.

You can make a case that Plessy vs Ferguson wasn't wrong on Constitutional grounds but only an idiot would suggest it worked operationally. 'Separate but equal' quickly devolved to 'separate but not at all equal', white schools got funded, black schools proportionately did not.

Segregation whether voluntary or state enforced is a bad thing because it almost guarantees inequalities in outcome. It doesn't matter how talented you might be as a person of color, it doesn't matter that by any conventional definitions of 'skill premium' you should be at the top of the pack, if all of the business deals are banged out on the golf course at a segregated Country Club, if all of the County road contracts are handed out around drinks at a segregated Social Club you are on the outside looking in.

That was Fifties and Sixties America and in some places still is. In my own city while the Elks Club nationally ended its segregational policy a couple of decades ago, it got maintained here because one man who was head of the membership board made it so. He personally made it so that a black City Councilman was blackballed. And it is not like this councilman just came out of nowhere, he was on the Council for a couple of decades and was a big figure in the community. But a now deceased Judge said 'No' and that was the end of that.

Like a lot of small cities the Elks Club here was where the judges, the lawyers, the large and small business men, the realtors got together to eat, drink, and deal (in both the gambling and business senses). When the time came to ink the contracts where do you think the business got steered?

It is why you want to tear your hair out when people complain about affirmative action and minority set asides for public contracts, a good deal of the reason why minorities don't get into the 'right' schools is because we are still struggling with the legacy of Plessy vs Ferguson, money flows to power and if power is organized along lines of race and gender guess who gets the money. And of course these effects are almost impossible to see from within the pool of privilege, the fact that you steered that road contract to Charley, and granted that prized internship to Charley's daughter can be disconnected from the fact that you mostly know Charley from some segregated social club.

People have the right of self-association, we don't have to let Swedes and Finns join the local Sons of Norway (we do, in fact they let me in and I am not even Scandinavian, but we don't have to), but it would be pretty troubling if the mayor, the city council men, and the county commissioners were all in the habit of gathering in the back room handing out the contracts. Well unfortunately in a lot of small towns and no so small towns that was just business as usual. Segregation voluntary or not will always distort market outcomes. It really is simple as that.

The PaulBots have clearly learned well from years of Bush apologists.

"Why do we care so much if we torture people, the OTHER guys are much worse"

"Abu Ghraib? pfft there are terrorists trying to kill us here, people"

"Warrantless wiretapping? Detention of US citizens because they're arbitrarily designated enemy combatants? Purging the US Attorneys? All figments of the traitorous libruhl media"

Unfortunately, if you want to be looked up to as a "principled" candidate, you're going to be held to a high standard, just like the US should be held to a higher standard than Al Qaeda.

If Paul really wants to be "principled" and take "moral responsibility" for "the small minded thoughts" which were written in the first-person that he "denounces", he should sue Rockwell for libel. Otherwise, what exactly does "moral responsibility" mean?

I didn't find anything racist with what Dr. Paul's newsletters discussed - the LA Times was quoted as stating the riots ended when the welfare checks were sent out - Washington DC in the early 90's was terrorized with young black males who had no respect for autority

is telling the truth now racist?

Don't forget, that is a policy that he as President can implement without Congress (or so I assume).

IANAL, but I don't think the president could take us back to a gold standard without Congressional Action. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution says that Congress has the power

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

Yes - Paul is a great candidate. Clearly.

It's just amazing that voters never notice that.

You have heard of voters, right?

Ron Paul's entire platform is a constitutional federal government, and everyone here knows it.

Oh, please.

The Sanctity of Life Act of 2007 which shreds the concept of judicial review?

Either people like you are totally snowed or blatant propagandists.

Again, maybe one day the voters will notice your great candidate.

Then again, since "we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in Washington DC are semi-criminal or entirely criminal" - maybe not.

At least he's a faux-constitutionalist.


It's hilarious watching all the Paulbots scream and jump up and down about how their candidate ISN'T RACIST (usually followed by a diatribe about how Ron Paul is the Only Hope that can save the US from collapse.)

Hey guys--we're just commenting on how these sort of links to wacky groups (and Ron Paul's continued flirtation with them) makes you all look. If libertarianism ever wants to get out of the

(And for those who claim that the Mises Institute and Rockwell aren't associated with some pretty stinky groups, please do your homework.)

to CRACK -

"You think Lew isn't going to be influential in a Paul administration?" No, I don't.

Has he influenced his decision making in his past 40 years in COngress? There is no indication of such an event ever occurring, so it is not fair to assume that it will.

Did Mike Hckabee say the other day that we need to scrap the Consitution and replace it so that it complies with teh Bible? - Yes, he did.

Should this be the topic of discussion instead of Paul's alleged racists views - Yes, because these words can be heard by anyone with the internet, coming out of his mouth.

The thing is, I can go around quoting these horrendous things other candidates have been saying, but there is no point because people like you will give them the pardon, just like the media does. Each network still tries to promote their candidate, regardless of what they say, do or stand for (which is pretty hard to tell anyway the way they all avoid direct answers to real issues, save RP of course). That is why you have not heard this flagrantly anti-american stance (because separation of Church and State is one of America's oldest tradidtions) of the Huckster being broadcast all over NBC, which initially showed the video of him saying this stuff. The Huck is their man, and he could be running a kiddie porno ring and I bet NBC would not tell ya that.

Point is, every person can focus on what they choose to focus on. You unfortunately choose to focus on some he said she said stuff. You are not really concerned with our nations politics, r even the well being of our country. Not because you do not support, that would be ignorant t say. It is because you choose to focus your efforts in an unproductive way. Focus your energy on trying to really understand each candidate, what they want to do for us, why they are running in the first place, and do they even mean anything of what they say, or are they trying feed me what I want to hear. Then you are being productive and your decision will be well merritted, what ever your decision may be.

Self-Improvement should be a goal of every productive human being. Other wise you are just waiting for a hand out and offer very little to our society.


lol Eric Dondero isn't reliable. He's a former fired aid. He was fired for smelling, never showering, lying and being constantly late.

Incredible how a hardcore Zionist rag like TNR can succeed in undermining the only GOP peace candidate. Somehow I don't think the expose would've been published if RP supported aid to Israel.

"Did Mike Hckabee say the other day that we need to scrap the Consitution and replace it so that it complies with teh Bible? - Yes, he did."

OMG he did? That makes Doc P's statement about fascism being wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross, kinda come to life huh.

This one is fun:

I didn't find anything racist with what Dr. Paul's newsletters discussed

is telling the truth now racist?

Nice:

we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in (Washington DC) are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"

Ahh, the truth. It's not racist. The truth, as seen by a Paultard.

Crazy.

But he's a great candidate.

"Ask yourself this: why is it that your definition of "similar" is based on skin color?"

It isn't.

It's not about "race" anymore, it's about socio-economic class. Rich successful black people don't want live in the "Bad neighborhoods" either.

Incredible how a hardcore Zionist rag like TNR can succeed in undermining the only GOP peace candidate. Somehow I don't think the expose would've been published if RP supported aid to Israel.

Andrew, that's one way to look at it - the other way is that Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul undermined the "only GOP peace candidate" by writing this garbage and hawking it to fundraise in the first place, and then engaging in ridiculous, laughable backpedaling.

If you dispute the contents of these newsletters, that's one thing. On the other hand, what publications would you have preferred to see the Paul/Rockwell race baiting, conspiracy theorizing and hate published in?

If you don't care the well-being and sentiments of black people you are not a racist. You are a racist if you have a theory of the supremacy of the white men and you are ready to change the legal system in order to impose this absurd vision of the reality. But in a free society, you have the right to ignore other people: WASP, Italian, Irish, Jews, Black, Asian, and so on. So, in my opinion what Rockwell wrote can be critized from a pure political point of view, because it is really impolite and politically incorrect, but it cannot be accused to promote a racist legal order.

Paul isn't racist, anyone who has a shred of common sense, isn't prejudiced (meaning older white man from Texas = racist), and has actually LISTENED to his response will realize that.

Does that matter? Of course not. The minute this story went out (by the way, written by a guy who claims to be a "recovering homosexual") Paul's campaign was over.

Paul doesn't feel the need ti IMMEDIATELY distance himself from these controversial people because he believes people can think & say what they want no matter how dispicable it is. And he shouldn't have denounce it to prove that he ISN'T racist.

And that just doesn't work any more in thought police liberal-facist America.

This is proof that this country will come to an end. The one man who wants to return our "elected" officals back to adhering to the laws & traditions that gave us the standard of living we take for granted today, gets wiped out over one blog and a society who doesn't listen.

SoCalJustis, you're an elitist. You think you're better than Ron Paul supporters because a couple are racist. Guess where the other candidates get their money. It aint from the People.

If you get donors in the 100's of thousands, you wont be able to screen for racist support. Also, if you run on individual liberty, you'll get racist support. I think you can tell that racists really wants that. The rest of the world is moving to criminalize their thoughts, so racists NEED Ron Paul to win. Doesn't make Ron Paul a racist. Don't be a dolt.

Let's see, Paul denounces the sentiments in the newsletters and calls them "small-minded." Many people have pointed to that and yelled "see, Paul had nothing to do with those newsletters!" Yet scores of others supporters claim that there's nothing wrong with the content of the newsletters, which Paul happens to denounce as small-minded.

It's like watching an internacine struggle where the combatants don't even realize they're fighting.

Ahh, I miss the Paultards.

Thanks for brining them back, Matt.

Thanks for the analysis, CriticalThinker. I'll take an insult from you.

There are plenty of things beside his supporters that make Ron Paul a racist - like his newsletters and his blatant use of race, race baiting and fearmongering to raise money.

If you can't see that, then so be it.

If pointing out the obvious makes one an "elitist," so be it. But that's an awfully strange definition. You're entitled to it if you want.

It's funny how his supporters react when frustrated.

Looking back on the '08 campaign, I think this is something that will be remembered. How Paul fans reacted when the (other) shoe dropped. From random commenters on blogs to Andrew Sullivan. It's been hysterical.

As for my status as an "elitist" - I want Paul to be included in every debate, reported on as a regular candidate, and given every opportunity to air his views. It's just funny how his supporters want his words shut down and pushed back under the rug when it becomes inconvenient.

If you don't want people to see these newsletters, and if you think publishing them is unfair, then you have no business calling someone else an elitist.

Whatever.

Hey Matt,

This topic is really boring... a real snooze. It's been hashed and rehashed too many times and there has been nothing credible about your claims that has ruined Dr. Paul's goals. How about zzzzz zzzzzz zzzzz

Whew. That was close. We almost got suckered into that whole, idiotic "peace and freedom" thing. I'm so glad to hear that he's been discredited. Thanks for clearing that up for us, guys. We can now return you to our regularly scheduled programming of spine-cracking debt, government-approved torture and permanent global war. Have a nice day, everyone.

By the way folks, with all of the discussion in this thread about the subtle variations of "racism", doesn't anyone find it a little ironic that people can so casually throw around epithets such as "Paulbot" and "Paultard"? Believe what you will about Ron Paul or his supporters, but stereotyping and name calling like this is the intellectual equivalent of calling blacks "n*****s", and is just as brain-dead.

The politics of personal destruction, libertarian style.

I (someone actually used the PaulTard smear again, it's like the good ol' days) formally challenge you and yours to devote equal time to all of our existing Politicians pending or pre-existing racism with the same level of self-righteous zeal.

One that's out of our systems, we can solve more pressing problems.

I put as much weight into this with regard to actually making a decision about Ron as the accusatory hysteria about Obama attending a Madrassa (Arabic for school by the way) or Kucinich's absolute belief in alien contact. Each of these things are DISTRACTIONS from real issues.

The things Dr. Paul now writes on the subject of Racism are really quite good, and well written, and more importantly written by him.

He has apologized for this misstep in the past (more than once) and his dismissal of this coming up again I believe is justified. It's just because the establishment feels threatened that this gets brought up to the degree that it does.

By the way folks, with all of the discussion in this thread about the subtle variations of "racism", doesn't anyone find it a little ironic that people can so casually throw around epithets such as "Paulbot" and "Paultard"? Believe what you will about Ron Paul or his supporters, but stereotyping and name calling like this is the intellectual equivalent of calling blacks "n*****s", and is just as brain-dead.

Let us not talk about Obama's wife's anti-white racism; or his church's enthusiasm for the Nation of Islam leader. Yes, the only racism that exists is that from whites towards the rest of the world. If Ron Paul's church had endorsed a KKK leader then he'd probably be on his way to a reeducation camp right now. But if it's a liberal being racist against whites then that's just great.

I find it interesting that a person can just be associated with someone who made a racist statement and their political career is destroyed; but, if they have, perform, or support killing a nine month old fetus then they'll get support from the NY Times and liberals all over the nation. "Progressive" thinking like this is well past me.

Regardless of what you think of Paul, this statement seems pretty shocking:

"...to be complicit in 'a strategy of pandering to racists' in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view."

Does it apply in all cases? That is:

"...to be complicit in 'a strategy of pandering to X" in the way that Y was, just is X in my view."

That is, pandering to X means that you are X.

Seriously. Is that the standard? Because there are a lot of people who pander to radical environmentalists, to La Leche breastfeeding zealots, to Catholics, to auto workers, to bankers, etc.

What does mean for anyone who has ever pandered to Al Shapton?

I am all for judging people by the friends they keep, I suppose. But this sort of strict construction would seem to limit me to voting for myself.

Believe what you will about Ron Paul or his supporters, but stereotyping and name calling like this is the intellectual equivalent of calling blacks "n*****s", and is just as brain-dead.

Oh, please.

That's pathetic. As a 'tard/'bot, you can't realize how silly this is, you're hero being quite racist and all.

For the record, Obama supporters get called "Obamabots" around here frequently by Clinton and Edwards supporters - and they don't whine and complain and accuse others of being "racist" for doing so.

Having said that, not all of Paul's supporters are 'tards or 'bots.

Just the 'tards and the 'bots. Again, Matt - thanks for bringing them back. It's hilarious.

Hey Matt,

Nice to see that some of your supporters are calling Ron Paul supporters Paultards. Are all of you making fun of the mentally retarded. It sounds like you are a bunch of hypocrites.

Why does Matthew Yglesias hate America?

Every other candidate not only panders to far more evil groups, but stuffs their pockets full of their cash as well. If Dr. Paul is guilty of anything, it is trying to be a pragmatic politician. Or in other words, trying to be s politician. Yet you are willing to attack him for trying to create a movement large enough to save America from the destructive actions of the rest of DC and the bankster class who own them?

BTW, if this is the worst you can dig up about Ron Paul, why even bother? Oh wait, I guess it's because the "ignore him" tactic failed. Now it seems your fear compels you to the next tactic, character assasination.

You are a small man Mr. Yglesias. The world which you so gleefully set out to destroy, is also the world which you depend upon to sustain life.

How does your hatred towards Dr. Paul help make it a better place?

Yet still, I forgive you, as it is obvious you know not what you do.

OK, then we'll just call you "dipshit fools who would follow Ron Paul to another Jonestown." Is that better?

Geez--cultists.

I wonder how many black babies Ron Paul has brought
into the world ? Ron Paul has already said that
he made a mistake in not reviewing the Newsletter
close enough, this is nit picky. The Neocons have
much more lint on their suites.

The author should go pick on the Governator out in Kalifornia and work on getting a known racist that is in office right now out of office. We have racists comments on written record and recorded coming out of his mouth.

To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view.

I think Paul's letters are a disqualifier for office (then again, so are Byrd's former affiliation with the KKK and Edward Kennedy's DUI Homicide), but "indifference to racism is racism" just doesn't fly.

By that rationale, Rothbard (a jew), through his indifference to the antisemitism courted by his strategy, is an antisemite.

Also marked as a racist is Obama for his failure to propose an end to the drug war.

As a latino Paul supporter, I paid attention when these things started coming to my attention several months ago. I then paid attention when the specific details came to my attention with the New Republic article. Here is my take:

1. First, there were parts of it that were screaming hit piece. It was written in such a way, and timed in such a way, to both bring these things up and crush down Paul. The intent was clear, and the phrasing/assumptions were clear. There were few questions raised, or serious attempts to explore all sides of the issue (which is now being done elsewhere, thankfully).

2. It was pretty obvious to me that Paul probably didn't write it--I had read and watched too much of his speeches, videos, and writings from across the decades to be fooled into completely buying what was being sold in smear attempts. If Paul did harbor any such sentiments somewhere, he put far more importance on libertarian ideals, and he certainly didn't champion them personally.

3. That being said, I was incredibly bothered by the fact that these things happened under his name. I recognize that he has addressed this issue before, and that he has taken responsibility for not watching the newsletters with more vigilance, but it still was disturbing to read some of those quotes. Many were not nearly as bad as people are making out...but some were, and they were tough to read, especially taken out of whatever context they were supposedly in.

4. I did seriously struggle with my support of Paul for a brief moment. Not because I thought he believed all of that crap, or that I thought he was selling it or supporting it, but because of the raw nature of it and the fact that a President has to control things like that.

5. Ultimately, though, I recognized that Paul was not a political machine at that time, and was a counter-establishment figure who didn't have access to the power, control, support, and options a more powerful figure might. He was busy with regular life as well as his political goals, and he either allowed some trusted people to use his name, or perhaps even turned a blind eye to rhetoric he shouldn't have (although I doubt that).

6. To cement my continued support for Paul is the fact that I vote for candidates based on their platform, agenda, policy positions, vote history, and personal character/integrity/leadership. Paul's has championed the issues that are important to me, and his platform is completely free of anything remotely racist. He has spoken out strongly for unpopular or controversial views, and has voted accordingly in his career. I respect that, and I must vote based on that.

7. While the newsletter flap still bothers me a little, there is no way I could vote against Paul and his platform when the rest of my options so poorly match up to my views. Once I started thinking about that, I realized not only did I still support Paul, but I was still excited about him. That put things in perspective. I voted for him on the 15th, proudly!

8. The newsletter thing should still be explored, I respect that. But not to the degree that it should take away from Paul's actual platform and message, which have nothing to do with racism.

-Liandro

Paul's best defense seems to be "Hey, I'm such a incompetent boob that I didn't know what was being published in my name for an extended period of time!" How inspiring.

Others are correct to note, however, that anybody who belongs to a party which gives a speaking slot, at a national convention, to a person who is on record as advocating that a "white interloper" be driven from a neighborhood, and who stood by silently while an associate next to him urged a mob to "make this cracker suffer", is in a very poor position from which to judge Paul harshly.

I really dont understand why people keep on about these newsletters. Dont they realize that the mud just aint sticking? Mccain has called asians gooks publicly as well as made bias comments about burqas(which offends muslim women)in front of the whole world. He has a shady past to fit right with it.

Dr. Paul has claimed MLK as his hero going back 30 years, as well as Rosa Parks. Yet these newletters that he lent his name to made front page news and is still doint it. I dont think even the biggest enemies of Ron Paul believe it for a second, no more than they believe hes a porn star. It just doesnt jive with everything hes every done. Why keep the mud throwing, it just aint gonna stick . No one buys it. Even blacks and mexicans that worked closely with him years ago, praise him for his treatmnet. For gods sake, even the head of the NAACP has stuck up for him. Its not working so you anti-paulites would do better to dig up something else to make him look bad.

Yeah SoCalJustice really illuminates the hypocrisy of people of his kind. And don't kid yourself - the derogatory names (not to mention threats of physical violence I've seen on youtube and forums) heaped on Paul supporters far outweigh any suggestions of racism on Paul's part. As one with a family member who suffers from mental retardation and has seen him bear the brunt of hateful disdain and truly hurtful ridicule - SoCalJustice's whitewash of his own hypocrisy and hate speak are pathetic and unfortunately predictable.

You guys are freaking clueless. Today racism is openly declared against Muslims and you're waffling on about these newsletters that were written back during the race riots in Los Angeles when even Robin Williams was throwing around racist jokes on national TV?

How about the overt racism and hostility shown to the Muslim world by the other Republican candidates today? This is coming out of their own mouths on the debate stage but you guys seem to be completely oblivious to it. You've got these madmen running for president and yet you're wasting your time lambasting Ron Paul of all people who has never stooped to making reckless overtly racist comments against any group in any of his speeches, interviews or books!

Gain some perspective you morons and look at what is happening to your damn country as you argue over these petty comments from decades ago. You have candidates that border on the insane advocating violent pre-emptive war against Muslims - isn't that pretty damn racist? And doesn't dropping bombs have slightly more impact on a group of people than a handful of comments that were made in some newsletters that are not directly attributable to Dr Ron Paul.

Wake up dummies!

SoCalJustice,

If you would have followed Paul's career before he decided to president, read his articles (one's that HE wrote) you'd already know any claims of racism are a non-issue.

By the way: since you're so fair minded, I don't see mentioning the fact that one of Hillary's main advisers is a former member the La Raza (look it up), or the tens of thousands of dollars Obama has recieved from black separationist groups.

I'll be the first to admit that the loudest of Paul's supporters were obnoxious. But at least you know they're impressionable; as opposed to someone who is locked in a rut of their own zero-sum multicultural arrogance like yourself.

Sorry, Liandro, when your are soliciting funds via a political newsletter published in your name, you own every word written, unless something is immediately disavowed. Claiming that you were busy with other aspects of your life just doesn't cut it. Paul is either a flat out racist, or an imbecile of titanic proportions.

Hey Atlantic (perhaps even Matthew), maybe after 10 articles about Ron Paul's newletters, you can manage one article regarding John McCain's racism during the SC debates, last week. John McCain was blatantly racist in the SC debate, read it here (with exact quotes):
McCain's racism during SC debates


Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.

Please stop trying to give this hatchet job credibility. Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, and is an expert on racism says that Ron is not a racist and also says that quotes from the newsletters, which he has reviewed, were taken out of context. There is a link at the bottom of the article to a radio interview so you can hear what Nelson has to say in his own words.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/011308_not_racist.htm

Watching the primaries from Denmark, it is with some disbelief that alot of us in Europe see Ron Paul be attacked and nitpicked against on his main forte - integrity. Compared with the alternatives alot of us are just dumb-founded that so much energy is wasted on this, rather than trying to support the a real effort for some positive change in your country.

Remember that the US is probably the only country in the world with a constitution that to such a degree facilitates a genuine discussion in society about freedom. Eventhough people in Denmark dream of a candidate as Ron Paul, our constitution is much weaker than the american one, and you can't imagine how hard it is to bring up real freedom for debate in a nanny state like this, if the constitution doesn't back it.

Remember that in a sense you are voting for the rest of the world. If, say, Ron Paul was to become president, the chain reaction aroun the world would be tremendous. European countries generally follow the lead of the US.

Eventhough mainstream media in the US and Europe portray Denmark as a dream country - don't believe it. We pay effectively 70-75% tax and hate it.

@SoCalJustice (lame name anyway)

Who exactly are your supporting?? I'd LOVE to issue you your candidate's dirt in this forum!!!

.....I'll be waiting for your comment!

The only candidate addressing the War on Drugs and its connection to prison factories is Ron Paul. Corporate interest use the drug laws to to enslave the poor for so called "crimes" that do not harm the life liberty or property of another so they can fill the prisons with non violent inmates and use them for what amounts to slave labor. They are paid up to $60.00 per 40 hour work week. Prison factories manufacture all types of goods including military supplies. A vote for Ron Paul will free these corporate slaves. Those that support the currant policies are the real raciest!

Does that mean that Giuliani and Thompson's campain should be over too? I mean, if they can't even beat out Ron Paul every time how much of a kook can he be. But there is something else about the whole Anti-Ron Paul thing that is a double standard. If you speak up about these other "problems" with the other candidates, you might have an argument. Here are some examples:

(You can google everthing stated below and read it for yourself. At least Ron Paul is not as racist as these people.)

John McCain – His racist comment- All they want to trade is burkas- referring to Arab Muslims during the last debate. How about John McCain calling Vietnamese people “gooks” in his last campaign.

Rudy Giuliani – How about John Deady speaking for the Giuliani campaign – All Muslims need to be pushed back into their caves… His new co-chair in South Carolina, Arthur Ravenel, Jr. – he called he NAACP the National Association for Retarded People. (Not to mention 'Mob' connections.)

Huckabee – Racist and crazy comments about watching for Pakistani’s crossing the Mexican border with misiles on their shoulders after Butto’s assassination. Plus Huckabee defended his remarks with a lie about the number of Pakistani’s coming across the border. It’s been fact checked with Homeland Security. Huckabee’s visit and sermon at Cornerstone run by anti-Catholic extremist, John Hagee, who said in his book –Jerusalem Countdown- the Catholic Church conspired with Hitler to exterminate the Jews.

Fred Thompson – Iranian sailors getting their virgins remark at the debate. George Allen is backing Fred Thompson. How about Thompson’s chauvinist remarks, “Fred Thompson said, repeating remarks earlier in the week, no woman is up for the job of president just yet. ‘This year, it’s a man, and next year, it’s going to be a man,’ said Thompson. ‘I can see no one else who’s qualified to be president of the United States.’” and how about him referring to his wife as his favorite possession. Geez, and his racist comments -saying immigrants are partly to blame for the sub-prime mortgage crisis - A lot of them couldn’t communicate with the people they were getting the mortgage from,”- spoken to a group in Iowa.

Romney – Who endorsed religious discrimination in government by stating he would never appoint a Muslim. Calling the Big Dig a “Tar Baby” an old racial slur – J.C. Watts complaining about Mitt’s lily white campaign…

Clinton – recent comment about Marting Luther King and civil liberties– How about her racist joke about Ghandi running a gas station in St. Louis at a fundraiser.

I defy anyone to find one instance of a racist or bigoted remark crossing Ron Paul’s lips, or to show him to be a member of a bigoted or racist organization.

On January 21 - www.freeatlast2008.com

DO IT !!

NAACP says Ron Paul is NOT racist. Anyone still implying that Dr. Paul is racist is a lying fool. End of discussion.

More lies and racism are spoken by most politicians on both sides of the aisle in 1 minute than Ron Paul has thought or felt in a life-time. All of you various establishment special interest stooges (and you are many) just wish he'd just go away. Guess what he's isn't going to and the issues he raises are making everybody think for a change.

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Yes.

This is delusional. This is a greater ignorance than racism. At least racism has a foundation in empirical reality.

Also,

(1) Preferring not to hire blacks (because you think they are likely to be underqualified);

(2) Preferring not to live in a neighborhood with a significant black population (because you're worried about crime);

(3) Not wanting young black men shopping in your store (because they're the ones who commit thefts and holdups);

(4) Assuming that if blacks are underrepresented in elite schools, professions, etc., it's because they just lack the intelligence to succeed (because everyone knows that the US is a meritocracy except for affirmative action)

None of these things are racist. They're just reality. (#4 has more to do with cultural expectations and conditions than intelligence or anything else.) There's a reason why white people who grow up in bad black neighborhoods are the biggest "racists." It's easy to live in a fantasy world about race when you live in the suburbs or on a college campus.

No one says this stuff because in doing so they become complicit with racists. They have committed the empirical judgment thought crime of racism. I don't really care. But, it's a label that-- especially politically-- is almost as bad as "child molester." And it's just not fair.

Well, Mr. Will Allen, it seems like you have closed the books on Paul, so I'm not sure why you are reading articles or comment sections on Paul and this controversy.

As for me, it is easy to go back and read/watch/listen to Paul's history in over 3 decades of public service and presence. He has made some pretty strong stands on individual rights, no matter their race. That, apparently, means nothing to you.

He has also strongly praised MLK, and other's, civil disobedience, as long as they accepted the repercussions...and mentioned MLK as a hero. That, apparently, means nothing to you.

And he has been fighting against the racist drug war for a long, long time, something very few other major politicians of any party will do, but that, apparently, means nothing to you.

Paul's stands over the past decades, and his platform for this election, are all pretty clear, bold, and anti-racism, and that SHOULD mean something to you.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend this controversy is meaningless, but neither am I going to jump on an anti-Paul bandwagon when this fiasco is clearly secondary to decades worth of: voting history; integrity of recored, message, and character; and saying (and voting) things others don't have the political courage to. It is fairly clear Paul is not a racist, and if Paul is an imbecile of titanic proportions (overboard on the vitriol at all?), then there is little hope for America this election cycle, as Paul is the only one who is right about the direction our country should go, and he's been right for decades.

He was wrong to trust people with his name, and he recognizes that. I recognize that. At this point everyone does...just like some of my combat buddies in Iraq were wrong to put their wives on their checking accounts. They came back with -$13 in the account, or worse. But they aren't "imbeciles of titanic proportions", they are people pre-occupied with certain duties and issues, and they trusted others do carry on other duties for them in their name. Sometimes you pay for that.

Re "The PaulBots have clearly learned well from years of Bush apologists.

"Why do we care so much if we torture people, the OTHER guys are much worse"
------------
Actually, they seem to be learning from the Democratic leadership -- whose policy presented to Blacks has been:

"We'll take your votes -- and then we'll turn and fuck you like dogs. But you don't have any choice but to vote for us -- because we won't fuck you as badly as the Republicans will."

So, Matt, did you turn your logic circuits off for 2008?

So, this attack on Ron Paul is wonderful while anybody pointing out facts about Barack Obama's racialist spiritual mentor is simply a racist conspiracy? Yeah, sure, I get it.

And if anybody is interested in the facts about the gruesome twosome -- James Kirchick and Marty Peretz -- who have been attacking Ron Paul, look here for lots of hilarious details:

http://vdare.com/sailer/080113_paul.htm

Note how The New Republic has long ignored the way racism -- indifference to the plight of millions of our black citizens --is hardwired into the Democratic leadership.

The New Republic ignores many other things as well -- so long as the Democratic leadership remains "Good for Israel".

John Peterson your list is absurd (that is to say, non-empirical) and, what's the word?, racist.

"(1) Preferring not to hire blacks (because you think they are likely to be underqualified)"

Well read the fucking resume honky!

None of this matters, I've been an active member of the Libertarian Party for fifteen wasted years and they haven't accomplished jack squat. -Not even name recognition. Finally a guy spreads the word a little bit and gets people talking and thinking about issues and who rides his ass? None other that so called libertarians! I like to call those type 'Textbook libertarians' -Pie in the sky, sniveling and bespectacled, perpetually argumentative and impossible to please, know it all bookworms. They really don't have the stomach for politics, and their inability to have any affect in almost forty years proves their irrelevance. -But, these weasels will forever insist that they are the ultimate authority on all things libertarian and incorrectly think they can revoke the ivy league library pass to anyone they have even the slightest difference of opinion with. Consequently, that happens to be anyone who registers above a point five of one percent in anything more than a student council election.

"This is all true enough as far as the strategic direction of the libertarian movement goes. Then again, as best I can tell Paul's anti-immigration views have about as much appeal as his libertarian ones."
-Sorry but again, I've been an active member of the Libertarian Party for fifteen years, and the vast majority of actual libertarians do not believe in open borders. Open land was all bought up years ago, and there is no more homesteading and therefor no more reason for open borders. We just (finally) changed the platform on that issue. It took a long time because you need 7 out of 8 on the board.

Let me get this straight:

369 African Americans have died in the Unnecessary war promoted by The New Republic and approved by Hillary Clinton --

but anti-war Ron Paul is the one who doesn't care for black people?

Ron Paul isn't a racist. He just solicits them for money and votes, keeps some of them as buddies who he refuses to throw under the bus, and his followers are all about sweeping that under the rug because The Nation Is In Danger.

He reminds me a lot of another Paul: Von Hindenburg.

colt-1:

They're only a non-issue to those who have an agenda.

Good luck with yours. As I've said, I want Paul included in all the debates, treated like a regular candidate, etc...

This is what happens to regular candidates - though. They receive scrutiny.

And it's been highly enlightening - and entertaining to watch Congressman Paul's fans deal with scrutiny.

Here's what happens - they ask and beg for him to be treated like a real candidate, and then when he is, they whine, wail and complain like, well, I'll let you insert your own noun so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of all the wilting flower Paul supporters. Who knew? That's just one more piece of the hilarity puzzle.

I hope you guys stick around though - you are truly classic.

Phil - your really hurt my feelings. Forever what will I do? Not only will I have to live with your insults, but with the only insult that really matters - an America not run by the only man who can save it, Ron Paul.

Talk about being doubly screwed.

There's no hope. You should consider Canada.

AmandaN - you're name is great! One of the best names ever. Ron Paul is lucky to have you and your great, amazing name. Unfortunately, that and his current level of support will bye him just about nothing, except the undying support of racist scumbags like Lew Rockwell and people like you. He should be proud.

Again, thanks Matt for bringing these people back. I've missed them so.

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Yes.

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Have you ever been inside a cafeteria?

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

Yes.

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Have you ever been inside a cafeteria?

This topic has already gotten WAY more attention than it deserves.

Despite the media blackout and relentless smearing, RP has received about 100,000 votes in 4 primaries and has almost received as many votes as supposed "contenders" Thompson and Giuliani, COMBINED.

Steve,

You write:

So, this attack on Ron Paul is wonderful while anybody pointing out facts about Barack Obama's racialist spiritual mentor is simply a racist conspiracy?

I'm honestly curious. Do you see a difference between something called a "Ron Paul Newsletter" (or a "Ron Paul Survivalist Report" or a "Ron Paul [anyting]") and something called Trumpet Magazine that doesn't have - and never has had - Obama's name on it?

It's not called "Obama Times" or "The Obama Report."

I mean, from your website, I know that the median IQ of white people is supposed to be reasonably high. So you can tell that there's a huge difference here, right? Or are you an outlier?

Keeping our borders open, while giving amnesty to illegal aliens who join the military... is it not racist to continue drawing from that vast supply of Latinos, so we can send them off to die for the rich white people?

Supporting laws that drive up the price of drugs, so that it is the most lucrative business for young blacks in the inter-city... is that not racist?

Imprisoning mostly black non-violent drug offenders, when the vast majority of drug users are white... is that not racist?

Providing blacks who live in the poorest neighborhoods in America with an incentive NOT to get a job, by giving them billions of dollars in welfare... is that not racist?

Dr. Paul is opposed to all of these things. Are you?

This whole newsletter issue is nothing more than a way to play on the conscience of white Americans, and draw their attention away from the truly racist issues that they should be concerned with. And that, my friend, is blatantly racist.

Well, unless I'm missing something, the "nasty" stuff that Ron Paul wrote maybe three or four times about blacks twenty years ago seems pretty mild compared to the "nasty" stuff that TNR and all the neocons wrote about Arabs/Muslims twenty years ago...and also twenty days ago...and every year and day in between. Same for half the columnists on the WashPost Ed Page, etc.

Maybe we should try to track down who actually wrote all those Charles Krauthammer columns...wait---I bet it was actually Charles Krauthammer!

Here's another point. I'd probably have heard by now if any of Paul's "nasty" columns persuaded someone to actually go out and kill even one black. But all the nasty columns by TNR and the various neocons have caused America to recently kill (roughly) ONE MILLION innocent Arab/Muslims.

Sticks and stones and all that...

I'm really glad to see that TNR and Matt and all the other DC/NYC media people have their priorities all nice and straight.

Despite the media blackout and relentless smearing, RP has received about 100,000 votes in 4 primaries and has almost received as many votes as supposed "contenders" Thompson and Giuliani, COMBINED.

I think that says a lot more about Fred and Il Duce than it does about Saint Ron.

Good exploration of the Reason article. However, your conclusions are ridiculous.
Apparently you want me to belive that pandering to a group is the same as being a member of the group. This is a strange Skinnerian worldview where things like motivation, intent, and belief do not exist.
By your reasoning Ron Paul is a racist because Ron Paul pandered to racist.
But Ron Paul also pandered to the democrats via complimenting their position on the war and complimenting Kucinich's positions on civil liberties. Does this mean Ron Paul is now a Democrat?
And if so, does that mean he is no longer racist? ( I am appealing to the Robert Byrd principle that Democrat plus regret trumps racism).

Good exploration of the Reason article. However, your conclusions are ridiculous.
Apparently you want me to belive that pandering to a group is the same as being a member of the group. This is a strange Skinnerian worldview where things like motivation, intent, and belief do not exist.
By your reasoning Ron Paul is a racist because Ron Paul pandered to racist.
But Ron Paul also pandered to the democrats via complimenting their position on the war and complimenting Kucinich's positions on civil liberties. Does this mean Ron Paul is now a Democrat?
And if so, does that mean he is no longer racist? ( I am appealing to the Robert Byrd principle that Democrat plus regret trumps racism).

Good exploration of the Reason article. However, your conclusions are ridiculous.
Apparently you want me to belive that pandering to a group is the same as being a member of the group. This is a strange Skinnerian worldview where things like motivation, intent, and belief do not exist.
By your reasoning Ron Paul is a racist because Ron Paul pandered to racist.
But Ron Paul also pandered to the democrats via complimenting their position on the war and complimenting Kucinich's positions on civil liberties. Does this mean Ron Paul is now a Democrat?
And if so, does that mean he is no longer racist? ( I am appealing to the Robert Byrd principle that Democrat plus regret trumps racism).

You really think it's racist to say that it's natural for people to congregate with those similar to themselves?

PC-

Why don't you tell us when you were last in a cafeteria, and what you saw there?

As for me, the other night I had dinner with a dozen friends/acquaintances, mostly former coworkers. The group included two African-Americans, a black African, a Latina and two Jews. If somebody said that a group like that was unnatural, or that they would be more comfortable in a setting without blacks, then they would be a racist. Period.

Hey Mythic Mystic,

Arthur Ravenel, Jr got busted for possessing not more than 500 grams of cocaine. He is white, his daddy (whom I've met and eats with our company on occasion, a good man by the way) is well known around SC....

Guess what....my buddy just attended a party (the kind that is put on by rich people) and Arthur Jr shows up, but unfortunately Andre Bauer (another rich, white dude who has been busted speeding over 100mph on more than one occasion) is already there. They have to leave immediately through different doors because the feds say they can't be together. Speculation is Andre Bauer was in on the Cocaine deal too.

ANd to make matters worse, the black fellow that sold Arthur Jr the goods got stiff sentences while ole Arthur Jr goes to rehab. Talk about the war on drugs.....

This is a prime example of racism with the war on drugs...

By the way, Rudy pretty much pushed Arthur Jr back after the incident came to light.

Hey Mythic Mystic,

Arthur Ravenel, Jr got busted for possessing not more than 500 grams of cocaine. He is white, his daddy (whom I've met and eats with our company on occasion, a good man by the way) is well known around SC....

Guess what....my buddy just attended a party (the kind that is put on by rich people) and Arthur Jr shows up, but unfortunately Andre Bauer (another rich, white dude who has been busted speeding over 100mph on more than one occasion) is already there. They have to leave immediately through different doors because the feds say they can't be together. Speculation is Andre Bauer was in on the Cocaine deal too.

ANd to make matters worse, the black fellow that sold Arthur Jr the goods got stiff sentences while ole Arthur Jr goes to rehab. Talk about the war on drugs.....

This is a prime example of racism with the war on drugs...

By the way, Rudy pretty much pushed Arthur Jr back after the incident came to light.

Also, it's pretty funny that the libertarians on this thread are instantly recognizable by their double posts. No doubt it's an example of those finely honed technical skills that would allow them to thrive in the free market if the dead hand of the state would just let up...

"To have the sort of indifference to the well-being and sentiments of black people that you'd have to have to be complicit in "a strategy of pandering to racists" in the way that Paul was, just is racism in my view."

Paul is the least racist of all the political candidates. The war on drugs targets blacks and hispanics and puts them in jail for acts that cause no harm to anybody but themselves. We don't throw alcholics in prison, that would leave us without our current leaders. Ron would end the war on drugs, and thousands of innocent people (of all races) would be released from prison. I would love to know how releasing and ending senseless arrests of blacks is pandering to racists? The libertarian position in its true form can never be racist, for unlike the position of the neocon, there is no grouping of people, there is no "them and us", its just individuals. Securing the borders has nothing to do with race, its about enforcing legal citizenship so that America can afford to take care of the people(of all races) already living within its borders.

You attempt to slander Dr. Paul by confusing him with neocons. You try to make Paul out to be a racist when all of his actions and beliefs don't allow for it. If you want to make racist accusations, why not discuss Bush/Cheney's illegal war in Iraq responsible for the death of half a million innocent muslims.

A nation always gets the leader they deserve. If you don't like Paul, vote McCain for 100 years of war. Hey John, who cares about the middle-east, all they have to trade with us are burkas right? Next time right an article about this guy, there's no doubting his racism.

We are All Americans!!!! All of us...

The U.S's Legal Citizens are all in the same boat. We are neither African Americans, Asian Americans, on and on and on. That may have been true in the past but this is NOW. We have been attacked! on our soil and it's time to wake up and stand up.
If we are in this country, Legally then we are AMERICANS.....period. WE have a tough job ahead and we can suceede, if we UNITE; if we are Divided we will fall.

Please lets unite and take back the country of WE THE POPPLE.

We are running for president, Ron Paul is our voice. I read that somewhere and I agree. I trust him, I don't trust the others and I just can't vote for them.
Of course he doesn't have all the answers, but he will take us in another direction and we just can't keep doing the same thing looking for different results!
He is The republican, the others are the same, part of the machine, IMHO

You are just all-knowing, huh?!? Has anyone heard/read the public statement the president of the NAACP made about Ron Paul. He claims he knows Dr. Paul for many years and DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE RACIST WHATSOEVER.
But I guess he must be one of them wackos you speak of. You sound very knowledgeable in the field of wackos and racists, how is that?
God Bless Ron Paul, the only candidate standing up to the estabilishment and all you warmongering actors.

Thank you, have a nice day.

Just to be clear, I don't have a real beef with Ron Paul. In fact, I'd like to see him get as many votes as possible, because in practice those are going to be understood as votes against the war. And it's quite true that Giuliani is much, much worse on race (and almost everything else) and the other Rs are a pretty vile lot themselves.

So, go Ron Paul!

My beef is with our inability to be honest about race and racism in this country. Well, that and the fact that Paul's supporters on this thread are such morons.

You are just all-knowing, huh?!? Has anyone heard/read the public statement the president of the NAACP made about Ron Paul. He claims he knows Dr. Paul for many years and DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE RACIST WHATSOEVER.
But I guess he must be one of them wackos you speak of. You sound very knowledgeable in the field of wackos and racists, how is that?
God Bless Ron Paul, the only candidate standing up to the estabilishment and all you warmongering actors.

Thank you, have a nice day.

Ron Paul is not racist, I don't care what a stupid newsletter says. There was honest opposition to Segregation and not all of them were racist. The argument was over it being constitutional and respecting private property rights. Ron Paul is a strict constituionalist so I can see why something like this could happen, you have to really get over the fact that this occured. I don't think RP is racist, and even if he is I could care less. I mean jesus, blacks were killed by the KKK, the Democrats enforced segregation after the Civil War, the whole federal government abandonned Reconstruction and left the blacks hung out to dry, everyone turned their back on the Africans..... African Americans are still targeted today, as Ron Paul pointed out at a debate, more blacks end up in prison and have charges pressed against them than whites. An end to the drug war is the best thing that any president could do for the African Americans of this country. Ron Paul '08

"Ricky, it looks like you spoke too soon!"

Now that's being pwned! I thought if the Paulbots hadn't descended within a half hour of Matt's post they must have finally gone back to looking at porn.

It really seemed like the Paulbots had shut down once the votes were being tallied and he couldn't deliver on their grandiose promises of shocking primary victories and I had thought the 'dream' was over. This renaissance of stupidity aside, it still seems a Paul third party bid is unlikely considering his horrible performances in actually getting people to vote for him.

There was a point right before Iowa and NH where I really wondered if Paul could be a top tier tallier, especially when GOTV can effect low-turnout contests and the fact that NH is known as a libertarian haven. But his numbers have been so pathetic I now worry that hopes of his taking his run to the GE as an independent are over. It would be just too comedic for Bloomberg to take him on as a running mate, wouldn't it?

Here's a single post, lemuel.

First of all, as I've said a dozen times, Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN with some Libertarian views. He is not a (small-L) "libertarian" and never was.

Second, Libertarians (right Libertarian Party types anyway, if not left libertarians) generally do believe that government forced integration is incorrect. And it is. You don't "cure" racism by forcing it underground which is all that integration did. The reason you have hidden discrimination against blacks in lending, etc., despite the laws, is that people know they can't discriminate openly so they do it secretly.

If you want to end discrimination, try ending the human race - because that's the bottom line: humans discriminate. They always have, and always will. It's genetically inbred in their pointy little chimpanzee heads. ANY little difference is justification for discrimination in the human brain.

As for Rothbard, well, he's known for this sort of thing, so it doesn't surprise me that he got the notion to start pandering to white trash to try to drum up lib numbers. As an alleged "anarchist", Rothbard was fairly pathetic. Most of the efforts by the Libertarian Party to drum up support have been pathetic - which is why they barely can get 1-3% of the vote after thirty or forty years of trying. They don't have the smarts or the balls to really go after a political campaign like Hitler would - by forming a fanatical movement.

The bottom line here, however, is that Matt, the "super liberal from Harvard" feels morally superior to anyone who'd even consider that sort of thing.

Yaaawwwwnnnn...

Is Ron Paul a "racist"? Probably not, except in the broad sense that all humans are "racist" because they automatically distrust people different than themselves, even if only on the subconscious level. Anybody here, including Matt, who claims he doesn't get slightly on edge when confronted with a out-and-out Hindu, Bantu, or Afghan, is lying through his teeth.

Who cares?

What matters is policy - and Ron Paul has a consistent policy - no government interference either way.

Not that it matters, since he isn't going to be President anyway.

I used to work with an insane, racist moron named Paul. He was a middle-aged, bald, monkey-faced loser like all of you fuckers. I'm looking forward to his being dead and rotting in hell.

So, I'm thinking that if you are someone who uses the word "sheeple" in a non-facetious way, you probably need to seek professional help.

@SoCalJustice


Hahahahaha, No endorsement! Just as I thought!

Maybe Mythic Mystic hit a chord with your favorite candidate.

Face it: Your logic is flawed! And this, "I want him in the debate" stuff lends you no credit here. LET'S TALK ISSUES!! Let's discuss the economy, immigration, civil liberty, the soon-to-be worthless American dollar.

My advice to you: Go get a real job that requires you to actually WORK instead of wasting the day away posting your useless opinions.

Perhaps that's why you don't mind so much about all the taxes you pay....you're not really earning your keep in the office today now are you?

You are just all-knowing, huh?!? Has anyone heard/read the public statement the president of the NAACP made about Ron Paul. He claims he knows Dr. Paul for many years and DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE RACIST WHATSOEVER.
But I guess he must be one of them wackos you speak of. You sound very knowledgeable in the field of wackos and racists, how is that?
God Bless Ron Paul, the only candidate standing up to the estabilishment and all you warmongering actors.

Thank you, have a nice day.

This is boring.

Let's talk about McCain and Thompson's racist remarks during the last debate.

Or McCain's stating that he will "always hate gooks"

This would be more interesting.

This is boring.

Let's talk about McCain and Thompson's racist remarks during the last debate.

Or McCain's stating that he will "always hate gooks"

This would be more interesting.

There was a point right before Iowa and NH where I really wondered if Paul could be a top tier tallier, especially when GOTV can effect low-turnout contests and the fact that NH is known as a libertarian haven. But his numbers have been so pathetic I now worry that hopes of his taking his run to the GE as an independent are over.

It says a lot when Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan did far better in their Quixotic campaigns than Saint Ron.

You are just all-knowing, huh?!? Has anyone heard/read the public statement the president of the NAACP made about Ron Paul. He claims he knows Dr. Paul for many years and DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE RACIST WHATSOEVER.
But I guess he must be one of them wackos you speak of. You sound very knowledgeable in the field of wackos and racists, how is that?
God Bless Ron Paul, the only candidate standing up to the estabilishment and all you warmongering actors.

Thank you, have a nice day.

Before SoCal goes too far in his apologia for Mr. Obama, perhaps he (and the rest of his acolytes) should read this.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=285292746454291&src=ADA

AmandaN

So I don't have any credibility with the likes of you?

Oh no. You have no idea how that pains me. It will be tough to go on. Somehow, I think i'll find a way. Maybe. It will be tough, though, as I said, without a President Ron Paul. I will try.

Your advice is classic too.

I'm sure you have a wonderful job and contribute greatly to society.

And it really, really hurts that you don't think I contribute to my "office." Yeah, that one stings. Maybe I'll quit in shame.

I love the Paulbots - you're one of the wackiest of the lot - but still, adorable. Please stay here and comment on some other posts - not just the one where the only man who can save America gets exposed as a nut job, race baiting fear monger with no moral compass and no sense of personal responsibility (except "moral responsibility" - awesome).

BTW, I really, really liked your mini allcaps moment. But you're going to need to go the extra yard if you want to compete with our resident allcaps experts.

Crank up the crazy, AmandaN - I know you have it in you.

It's interesting to see these coordinated media attacks against Dr. Paul. They seem to come in waves. Check out the NY times article:

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/votes/index.html#1

Where is Dr. Paul among the candidates? The strategy of these guys appears to be to smear Dr. Paul with accusations of racism, exclude him from media coverage, call his views "fringe" and call his supporters "crazy."

It seems that many in the media have a real fight to pick with Dr. Paul. Are they scared that their vested interests may be in danger by his rising popularity?

Well, Saint Ron may still not be a racist, he just has Klanners running his local ops. Oopsie.

P.S. Can someone reboot Paulbot Lou? His repost button seems to be stuck.

Woah, cota-13,

I thought "neo-con" outlets were off limits here.

Oh yeah, except when it suits you.

Maybe you can answer the question I asked Steve earlier, since he probably won't.

Do you see any difference between something called "The Ron Paul Newsletter" and something called "Trumpet Magazine"?

Yes or no?

Are they scared that their vested interests may be in danger by his rising popularity?

Whhat rising popularity? Wake us when Saint Ron clears higher than fourth place.

Sheesh, nobody cares about this story. Give it a rest.

If you want to end discrimination, try ending the human race

Wait, RSH, I thought that was your program?

"It seems that many in the media have a real fight to pick with Dr. Paul. Are they scared that their vested interests may be in danger by his rising popularity?"

No, I think it is the entertainment portion of the program. Most people love to hear Paul in the debates because he is the only one talking about the reality of the current situation on the Repub side. On the web you also get the benefits of a spike in traffic and the ensuing hilarity when his cult comes on board.

While he may look at the world and see a similar truth to those of us in the reality-based community, we all know the policies he has supported the longest are wacko. There are two or three good things he offers to do, the rest would finish of this country quicker than a Jeb Bush presidency.

I am tired of hearing 'freedom' from Paulbots, when Paul's version of freedom means feudalism and segregation. Reducing the power of the federal government and spinning that power back down to the states doesn't necessarily lead to some utopia. History has shown that states in certain parts of the country tend to revert to greater levels of local authoritarianism, rampant racism, and corruption.

@ SoCalJustice

It's like listening to an 8-year old, yet you take the time to be condescending? I can’t decide if your mother didn’t hug you enough, or perhaps you father hugged you a little too much! Whichever is of no importance to me.

Once again and for the 3rd and final time, I ask that you state your endorsement and/or discuss an ACTUAL issue facing the American people and this election. I’m only inviting an open dialogue.

So just bring it to the table, who’s your guy….otherwise take it back to your local playground in southern California where the weather is too nice for logical folks to entertain you.

Calling someone who does not believe in evolution a racist is idiotic. Evolution teaches that there are different races of people. Christianity teaches we are all descendants of one Man, Adam, and therefore one race, the human race. We all have the same skin color also it is brown. Some people just have more of that skin pigment than others do.

People may be prejudiced against people based on their skin color. But that is a right they have. No court order is going to change that. Acting like MLK Jr did will change people's minds about skin color. Joining gangs and killing people will not. Looting and killing during a riot will not. Doing your best and becoming a judge like Clarence Thomas will. Stating a fact that the way vast majority of people causing the looting in the LA Riots were of darker skin, is not racist. It is not even prejudice. It is fact. That would be like calling me racist for saying that most slaves were of dark skin. How absurd that someone gets called racist for saying the truth.

My brother and I dropped a friend off at his house at the night time, he happened to have darker skin than us. He told us to make sure we took a left and not a right. He said it would not be safe for us if we went to the right. Yet the people he knew that would not have like my brother and I just because of the shade of brown of our skin, would never be called racists in America. How absurd.

Ron Paul may have made the mistake of letting such talk get put out under his name, but how was he to know that in 20 years every white(light colored) person that mentions any thing negative against dark skin people would be labeled a racist. Bill Cosby says the "black" community has a serious problem with violence and lack of fathers. Is Bill Cosby a racist?

If not adequately overseeing newsletters from a decade ago is truly the worst that can be dug up on Paul, that's simply amazing. We should be so lucky as to have someone like this running. Look at the dirt on all of the other candidates. It would be a different matter, of course, if there was a smoking gun video or some attributable text of Paul's in which he is making overtly racist comments, but I'm sure we would have seen or heard of that by now if it existed.

It's sad that the MSM is latching on to this non-news to try and discredit Paul. And it's sad if any of his supporters are willing to abandon him because of his "not adequately overseeing a newsletter." This is the only honest and respectable candidate running. We know how he'll vote if elected, and there isn't anything about any of Paul's positions that is racist. Quite the opposite. His opposition to the war on drugs as well as inflation would help more poor minorities than anything proposed by any other candidate.

A "wacko" Chicago MBA supporter of Paul,
Ken

I just find it amusing that this stuff is coming out right now, it's been out there, it's been known and rehashed already. Big deal, move on people, we've got a country to save.

No, Li, when you have political aspirations, and a person sending allowing a political newsletter with his name on it certainly has political aspirations, trusting other people with your name, for years, is not merely "wrong". On a professional political level, it is titanically, monumentally, unbelievably stupid. To paraphrase DeGaulle, it is worse than a crime. It is a blunder.

When your best defense is "I'm not a racist. I'm just a blundering moron.", it's time to just shut up.

Ohh, psychoanalysis from AmandaN!

Replete with unintentional irony!

That was awesome.

I bet you can't even spot it. Please try though. If you find it, I'll tell you my "endorsement" (like the candidate would care). So do give it a try, please.

For the record, you have quite the interesting way of "inviting an open dialogue."

But that's to be expected. The fact that you think of yourself as "logical" is classic too.

Excuse me, can I interrupt the Ron Paul stake burning for a moment?

Why are none of you folks that are throwing torches at the feet of a proven statesman, not addressing John McCain's "gook's" statements?

The same John McCain that pissed all over his own legacy and honor when he went lockstep with GW Bush & friends. The same John McCain that has said we may be in Iraq for the next 100 years. The same JM that wants to let the illegal immigrants overrun our society. The same 71 year old JM that brought up Ron Paul's age as a "bad" thing. The same JM that said the military sent a message to Ron Paul that they want to stay in Iraq and "finish the job". Yes, the same Ron Paul that recieves more donations from the active military than any other candidate. The same JM, etc. etc....

Let's not even start on Mitt Romney that wants to expand the war, but won't send his own draft age sons in because of their religious beliefs.

Let's not forget ol' Huck that wants to change the US Constitution to be more in line with the Bible.

Geeeze...Gimme a break with all of you people's double standards and nit picky bullshit!

Ron Paul has an impeccable 30+ year record as an OB-GYN and an impeccable 20+ year record as a sitting US Congressman. He speaks for freedom and truth for ALL individual citizens. Yeah, you idiots keep supporting the staus quo that is driving this once great nation and all of us right into the ground.

Being ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant. Quit being such assholes and start doing what your supposed to be doing, supporting your country, your fellow citizens and standing up for what is right!

I am an Asian American. After studying Dr. Paul's issues and compare them to many other candidates', I don't think he is a racist, not a bit. Instead, Dr. Paul is anti-racism.

People, I prefer knowing before speaking. Please use your given rights and knowledge to justify what you are told. Don't just jump in a conclusion before giving yourself a chance to form your own thoughts.

Promoting a popular face does not mean promoting democracy.

Electing a president does not mean winning a price.

"SoCalJustice"-

"They're only a non-issue to those who have an agenda."

No, the papers are a non-issue to people like...
THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL NAACP.

"Good luck with yours."

Meaning...? Your insinuation that I may be a racist myself illustrates a pretty low-level and banal sense of reason.

"As I've said, I want Paul included in all the debates, treated like a regular candidate, etc..."

Wow. I guess you got that notion because we live in a free country? Good for you.

"This is what happens to regular candidates - though. They receive scrutiny."

Well, thanks for the scoop, but if anyone would say the media has not been fawning over Obama & Hillary everyone else would know they're baldly stating an untruth. I also noticed you have NO response to my telling you how one of the main advisors to Hillary used to be involved (and still funds) a racist Latino militant group, and Obama's support comes from people who want to revert this country right back into segregation.

And those of you who go along with the notion that Paul's policies are looney, like a bunch of kindergarteners who like to throw names, you're only proving how little you know about politics and how this country's government is supposed to work.


Look, we all want America to be a great and safe nation for all, right? That's why anyone for or against Dr. Paul feels so strongly about this election now more than ever before. We have a lot of work to do, everyone of us. Political debate is one thing, but constant insults is another. I see more insults flying from the Anti-Paul side while the Paul side gets the blame. Names like kooks, cult, Paultards, Paulbots, ect.. does not make your argument any more crediable, in fact it destroys it. As far a Ron Paul supporters it goes for them too, insulting someone of a different opinon and making personal verbal attacks towards their family or mental state is just as inexcusable. From now on we ALL sould treat each other as what we are, Americans with a tough road ahead regardless who wins in November.

Do you really think that if Ron Paul becomes POTUS that all-of-a-sudden we will go back to pre-Civil War politics? I seriously doubt it. Talk about scare mongering. There is no Utopia to be achived while we are on this planet in this situation. My personal belife is that a species that can out last it's parent star is a success, anything less than that is extinction. Until we have a concerted effort towards that end, we will continue to have self-induced problems of war, starvation, overpopulation, and lack of resources.
One more thing, this movement picked up Ron Paul and not the other way around. He didn't even want to run, he feels it's his civic duty. And at least he is still doing his Congressional job (going in to vote) while he is running a full time campain. Any of the others doing their jobs too? Just thought I'd ask. So to put it simply, the movement you see now as a 'fringe' movement will grow dispite a Paul win or loss. Remember, in the 80's, under Reagan, the 'Neo-Cons' (as they are called) were considered 'The Crazies' by the administration. Reagan didn't even want G.W.Bush as his VP! So if things are moving faster than ever, and the trend in politics continue, in the next few years the 'Fringe' will be in power. Provided America as a whole is not sidelined by 'unforseen' events. (probably something considered a 'conspiracy theory' as of now, just like NAFTA and GATT was considered a 'conspiracy theory when Perot ran.) Anyway, I just hope everything works out and whoever becomes POTUS works for the people and not foreign governments and corporations. May the light of truth shine on you always.

I know socaljuice, it's no fun to point a finger and have four coming right back at you. Obama joined a black nationalist church whose leader does and says all these things but Obama is not discomfited by it. Nothing amiss there! But let me ask you this (probably won't get a straight answer): Is it possible- using your liberal rubric- for Obama's church to even be racist? And if it was, would you condemn it? Or is racism only the special province of whites as purveyors and never as victims?

Michelle Obama has gone on anti-white rants. Do these bother you? Or do we have to ignore them because Mr. Obama didn't say them himself? It's your call: either Obama is blamed because his wife, one of his chief supporters and constantly campaigning with him, said these things and didn't condemn him; or he can't be blamed because they weren't his utterances. As such, apply the same standard to Ron Paul that you apply to Obama lest that standard be a double.

Finally, one more question I want you to answer. I notice that your nom de guerre has the word "justice" in it. No doubt you hold a high opinion of your own intellectual prowess. So please, for the moral enlightenment of all those present, please explain the "justice" of this: Why is it that a person (whether they Mr. Paul or Mr. Obama) can simply be associated with a person who makes a racist comment and their career can instantly be ruined, while a person who has, performs, or supports killing a nine month old fetus is lauded by the New York Times and liberals like you everywhere, possibly even being elected President? Once you're done trying to answer that I think we should rename you NotSoJustice.

When you get down to it, this is a lot of arguing about a candidate that won't get more than five percent of the Republican and Independent vote and even less of the Democratic vote. He has the money to get his message out. It's his ideas just don't appeal to voters. Paulbots may have a problem with this, but voters actually like government services.

colt-1:

Meaning...? Your insinuation that I may be a racist myself illustrates a pretty low-level and banal sense of reason.

That's not what I meant. Just that you were a Paul supporter.

Well, thanks for the scoop, but if anyone would say the media has not been fawning over Obama & Hillary everyone else would know they're baldly stating an untruth.

I guess you missed the op-ed in the Washington Post - which has a slightly larger readership than the New Republic - all about Obama's ties to his church and to Farrakhan, and his need to distance himself from them.

But I've enjoyed your faux-persecution complex.

When you get down to it, this is a lot of arguing about a candidate that won't get more than five percent of the Republican and Independent vote and even less of the Democratic vote. He has the money to get his message out. It's his ideas just don't appeal to voters. Paulbots may have a problem with this, but voters actually like government services.

So very very true.

Quiz time: Which of the following candidates has yet to win a delegate? Is it:

a.) Fred "Weekend At Bernie's" Thompson
b.) Duncan Hunter
c.) Ron Paul

Wow, the dollar is on the ropes and Israelis and Pentagon types are trying to get us into a shooting war with Iran - meanwhile, folks are starting getting layed off for work. BUT WAIT...there's buzz in the blogosphere that a racist used to work for Ron Paul.

Oy, Americows.

cota-13:

I know socaljuice, it's no fun to point a finger and have four coming right back at you.

That's where you're wrong. This is great fun. Your crowd is hilarious.

Please, keep it coming.

I know that Ron Paul should be both President of the United States and king of the universe, but since neither will happen, I'm really sad that I think you guys won't be sticking around on blogs, spamming everything in sight, calling up C-Span, etc...

That will be a sad day. America will be far less entertaining after the R-love-ution is over...

For the record, there are things about every candidate that bother me. I don't think any is perfect - which is one area (thank god there are countless others) where I differ from your average Paulbot.

But since the only man who can save America seems infallible, it's just amazing that he's not garnering more support. Maybe the tide will turn in the next primary....

"SoCal":

You take ONE op-ed piece from the washington post and hold that up against over a year of favorable nation-wide television & press?

DAAAAAH-HA-HA-Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!

Nice try, junior.

"But I've enjoyed your faux-persecution complex."

Wow!!! Fun with words! I dropped in to state the truth, sport. You know us libertarians... we don't believe in playing the victim.

Perhaps you suggest that because you recognize that tendency within yourself?

Don't hurt your brain trying to figure that one out.

"Quiz time: Which of the following candidates has yet to win a delegate? Is it:

a.) Fred "Weekend At Bernie's" Thompson
b.) Duncan Hunter
c.) Ron Paul"

It takes like 1,500 delegates to win the GOP nomination. Who cares who has 3% of the delegates? For all the Paulbots scribbling in chalk on campuses and standing in the cold with their signs, they have persuaded a negligible amount of a tiny number of primary voters to support their candidate. Paul is basically peddling crap with a few high-profile positions that poll well with many Americans, but even the low-info average American sees what Paul is offering and has rejected it.

It takes like 1,500 delegates to win the GOP nomination. Who cares who has 3% of the delegates?

Actually, I was pointing out that Thompson (3) and Hunter (1!) both have more delegates than Paul (0). All the 'rising popularity' has netted him zilch in the only count that matters.

I'll take that as an unconditional surrender on the substance questions, SoSo. You've gone down on the field of battle with your back turned to the enemy....

Who cares? Ron Paul didn't write it or support the nonsense. Quit smearing the man. Stick to the issues!

I'd like those of you with so much time to attack Ron Paul to comment on the following if you wish:

1. Please identify anything in Ron Paul's voting record that points to Racism.

2. Other than the 'Ron Paul' articles, please show me where else in the media Ron Paul has directly made a racist statement.

Then, so that your views can be shown to be fair:

1. Show me evidence where Ron Paul has fought against racism either through legislation that he has fought for or against.

2. Show me evidence in the media where Ron Paul has fought against racism in the media.

Please let me know where the weight of the evidence stands. Please don't provide evidence of other racist groups' support for Ron Paul. Evidence by proxy does not count here! If you can do the above, and still hold your position, then I will be convinced that you are not slandering someone and are coming from an informed position.

Please don't provide evidence of other racist groups' support for Ron Paul.

So Saint Ron taking money from Stormfronters and having a Klanner managing local ops in Michigan doesn't count. Gotcha. Keep those blinders on, True Believer!

Even though I know it's pointless to argue with a Libertarian about a bedrock tenet of the doctrine:

"Libertarianism denounces violence, this includes state sponsored forced integration. The states power is enforced at the barrel of a gun. Thus, denouncing forced integration does not necessarily make you a racist in my view."

But if you break a contract freely entered in to, there'll be hell to pay.

And, if we really want to split hairs, at some point in the past, someone was pushed off the land you stand on.

Doug,

Now stay with me. I know you can do it. Play the game. Support your opinion with evidence for and against.

Doug-H:

One of Hillary Clinton's main campaign advisors used to be a member of La Raza. That would be a radical, racist Latino group that wants to take back territory in the US.

Obama has been getting tens of thousands of dollars from Black separationist groups - that would be people who want to re-segregate the country.

But to the press and in our zero-sum liberal facist multi-cultural America..

... THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

So "Doug-H"... keep those blinders on. True Believer.

Now stay with me. I know you can do it. Play the game. Support your opinion with evidence for and against.

You play my game first. Explain to me why the "anti-racist" candidate attracts Klanners and Stormfronters, or why he won't disavow Lew Rockwell.

Colt-1

I dropped in to state the truth, sport. You know us libertarians... we don't believe in playing the victim.

Now that's some top-notch self-delusion.

That, combined with the rest of your post, and other posts (and those of the other Paulbots) has to be one of the most self-contradictory things I've ever seen written on this blog.

Classic.

It will be very sad when the R-love-ution is over, indeed.


One of Hillary Clinton's main campaign advisors used to be a member of La Raza. That would be a radical, racist Latino group that wants to take back territory in the US.

Obama has been getting tens of thousands of dollars from Black separationist groups - that would be people who want to re-segregate the country.

Cites?

But to the press and in our zero-sum liberal facist multi-cultural America..

... THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

Only 24 minutes after saying 'libertarians don't like playing the victim.' That might be a new record.

So "Doug-H"... keep those blinders on. True Believer.

How original. Come back when you grow up.

It is very fun watching Paulbots pat themselves on the back for, amongst other things, being "logical" and "independent" and "libertarian" - and then blindly follow this infallible gent off a cliff.

Too funny. The wrath expressed at others who haven't joined the cult is particularly awesome. How long until there's a compound in South America called "Paultown"?

Please don't go away. Never, ever leave.

SoCal...

"top-notch self-delusion"? "self-contradictory things"?

Awwww... once again all you can afford is another hollow response. I think your brain might be fizzling....

Maybe you should get back to playing World of warcraft. Wait... change your underwear before you do that...

"Has anyone heard/read the public statement the president of the NAACP made about Ron Paul. He claims he knows Dr. Paul for many years and DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE RACIST WHATSOEVER.
But I guess he must be one of them wackos you speak of. You sound very knowledgeable in the field of wackos and racists, how is that?"

Lou,

It should be evident to you by now that no one is going to respond to this information. The Ron Paul critics here are more legitimate arbiters as to what racism is and who is a racist than Nelson Linder--the highly respected head of the Austin, Texas NAACP who happened to live through Jim Crow and who has personally known Ron Paul for 20 years. He's just some Black guy. Black people aren't nearly as qualified as white intellectuals to make such determinations. If Linder disagrees, there must be something wrong with him. Perhaps having seen Jim Crow in action disqualifies him from recognizing true racists.

Does Nelson Linder know about Randy Gray? Or of Saint Ron's pandering to racists for money? Maybe someone should ask him what he thinks of that.

Doug,

It's no point supporting my position as a "Paulbot." No matter what I write, you still won't believe me.

I believe in your right to have your position and I'm giving you an opportunity to fully support it.

Colt-1:

A hollow response? It's an perfect summation of your post.

You can't see that because you've already booked your ticket to Paultown.

It is a bit weird to see you project your fantasies onto me, though. But weirdness will be a key feature of Paultown, so I suspect you'll be on the city council.

Doug-H:

Do you know the difference between playing the victim and stating a substanciated opinion?

Obviously not.

"How original..."

No kidding. It's called shoving your own words down your throat.

BTW- Paul has been friends with Linder for over 20 years. Yes, Linder is aware of the company he keeps.

It's no point supporting my position as a "Paulbot." No matter what I write, you still won't believe me.

Where did I call you a Paulbot? I only mentioned it with Lou since he posted the same screed eleventy billion times.

I believe in your right to have your position and I'm giving you an opportunity to fully support it.

Right. The thought that Saint Ron is cleared of all charges because he never offered any overtly racist legislation would make civil rights leaders out of David Duke and Jesse Helms. Nice try, though.

The fact that you're ducking the 600-pound gorilla in bedsheets and jackboots, however, is quite telling. Are you whistling by the Klan-infested graveyard because you're afraid of who you might find yourself allied with, or, well...

SoCal:

What's so funny about this is that if the points I've been making weren't getting to you, you would have moved on by now.

Yet you keep coming back to see what this goofy "Paul-bot" thinks.

Interesting...

Getting to me? They're making me smile.

I know what you think.

And I want you to stay here. I'm begging you.

After Ron Paul loses each of the next 46 states, I hope you stay put, don't move to "Paultown" and keep posting right here.

Have I not made that clear?

I doubt it's because you're "gitting to me."

Please, please stay, Colt. For the chilrden.

Why doesn't someone ask McCain and Romney and Huckabee how we are going to pay for all these wars and how are they specifically planning to balance the budget?

You can only say the surge is working only so many times before we are back to the reality of paying more taxes to fund the hundred of billions of dollars on this failed policy.

Or would you rather spend hours trying to paint someone a racist ?

Which is better to discuss for our country and our kids ?

No. There's enough racism on this planet that's either overt or covert. Some of it's institutionalized I think that when people become angry and passionate about an issue or a candidate, accusations of racism go around.

What was really telling in recent news was the tension between Obama and Clinton over some of the very race issues brought up on this blog. They found a way to reconcile and promote unity in their messages to help support the cause of their party.

Ron Paul has had to deal with these accusations for many years now. I'd hope that for Republicans everywhere, that unity can be brought about through a debate on issues. As a person who is not white, I hope that my support for Dr. Paul is not "blind." If Republicans are not able to come together and support ideas that have formed the bedrock of the party, then they won't be able to win at the polls.

I for one am in favor of a gold standard, or an oil standard, or any kind of standard that restrains the government from inflating the money supply without allocating funds to increase its reserves of some finite commodity by an equivalent amount. Inflation is the most sinister of taxes on the wages and savings of the people. A hard money standard (Dr. Paul has said it does not have to be gold) protects my savings--i.e. the deferred consumption I have earned through my labor. It encourages long term investment and discourages the type of monetary-driven bubbles that wipe out large swathes of the middle class each time they arise and burst. What could be bad about a gold standard, other than it restrains the ability of government to secretly tax everyone's savings and wages for purposes of redistribution (usually only a token amount of this redistribution goes to the poor anyway--most goes to politically-connected bankers and military industrial types). The Fed should be prevented from managing the economy, because they never do so for the greater good. Businesses that take bad risks should suffer for them--this encourages responsible decisions in the future. If the American people cease being competitive, our economy should suffer until we rectify. Hard money makes everything more fair--and that's why I support it completely.


Photos speak louder than words.

Ron Paul 08!

http://www.dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/

I have not read all the aurguements, but I am here as a Ron Paul supporter just to say...

I do not think RP is a racist, he is not a closet racist, he is a great man.

Show some support for Ron Paul!

The enormously popular Nixon presidency was toppled by the insider establishment he challenged when they fixated the public attention on the actions of subordinates and built an historically unprecedented campaign of character assassination against Nixon and his Presidency and accomplishments. John Dean was the point man and now enjoys a comfortable life for services rendered.

Watergate was so successful that media rejoiced to find vulnerability in the enormously popular, "Teflon" presidency of Ronald Regan. The subordinate in this case was a nut case named Oliver North- now consultant to Fox News on military matters. North came strutting forth wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross and chattering about repugnant notions of following orders and plausible deniability. Regan handled it better. We learn from experience.

Now comes Ron Paul and the establishment he challenges embarks on a preemptive first strike to abort his presidency before it is launched. He is held accountable for the ancient deeds of lose cannon subordinates. Will we allow yet a third, populist Republican presidency to be derailed by this technique?

It tempts one's faith in democracy, especially when biased media has near exclusive access to the ear of the people. Elizabeth I of England was astonishingly liberal for her times. She tolerated more perhaps than was good for her health from her subordinates. But she would remark, "My father, the King, would have them in the tower and had their heads".

Teflon Ron

Dr. Paul is a economic scholar and this is the best they can do. Nothing on the issues, government sponsored theft of our wealth and counterfeiting our dollar. The economic underpinnings of what is wrong for Americans and what's right about liberty.

Teflon Ron

c'mon SoCal,

Who is your candidate?

You write as if we are not worthy of your intelligence on the subject. Please, let's debate something with some teeth. Economy, Gold standard, immigration, war.

Seems to me that you are content to continue taking it in the ass because that's all I can see from the other candidates.

Please, tell me who your candidate is so I can tell you how your going to get it.

Trying to read ones' mind and the thoughts within is usually difficult. However, Dr. Paul and his consistent message make it quite clear racism is something foreign to his heart and mind.
Whether you support him or not I think we can all agree is clear, and that is he causes people who have heard his message to think more than any other politician.

lemuel: "If you want to end discrimination, try ending the human race

Wait, RSH, I thought that was your program?"

It is - what part of that didn't you get?

This thread was a hoot. We've got one major asshole troll - socaljustice (whatever the hell that handle means) - trolling, a bunch of Ron Paul supporters going ballistic over his bullshit, and the whole thing is a waste of time because Paul has zero chance of getting a nomination or winning any elections, and even if he did, he'd get nothing done but vetoing legislation passed by Democrats and Republicans (which might have some value in itself, actually.)

I hope Matt's happy that his sophomoric (he's no longer a "college senior" in my view, smug or otherwise) remarks generated such a pile of nonsense.

Yawn...I wish someone wold post the schedule where it is laid out who is going to publish the racist story which day.

Do I think Ron Paul is perfect candidate? No, he is human. Do I think he is the only candidate that tells the truth and is not running for personal power? yes. Do I think that he is the only candidate to understand the roots causes of the major problems facing our country? Yes.

The man is getting my vote - it's the economy stupid. I am not a racist wacko - I am a married, 38 year old naval officer. All I can ask is for people to do some research and make an informed choice when they vote.

If somebody's political platform would be beneficial to all people, what difference does it make what his or her personal views are?

If you were in a desert dying of thirst and Ron Paul came along with a gallon of cool, pure water, would you refuse it because of his twenty year old newsletters?

Thomas Jefferson had slaves. That is a disgusting fact, but it does not detract from what he wrote about liberty. Should we toss out the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and so on because the people who supported those ideals were flawed human beings? Should Jefferson be removed from our money? Should Lincoln be removed for his white separatist views? (This historical fact is not in question.) If not, why not?

Ron Paul is the only noninterventionist running for president. He is the only one who would end the insane War on Drugs. He is the only one who has an understanding of economics.

For those who oppose the gold standard, or some version thereof, I recommend this eloquent essay by Alan Greenspan, of all people:

http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm

As someone else pointed out, defending the Federal Reserve amounts to defending the counterfeiting of the currency and support of the "inflation tax." That is morally indefensible.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

I would vote for a man who held racist views against ME if that man's platform would, in fact, free all individuals, including the ones he did not like. I do not believe Ron Paul is a racist, but the other candidates are flawed in much more serious ways.

Ron Paul has said all along that "freedom brings people together." He is correct. His platform benefits the people he is accused of harboring ill feelings towards far better than any other candidate's platform does.

Ron Paul is not the one using the "fear Muslims!" tactic. Ron Paul is not the one advocating the crushing of people in other countries as if they are somehow less human or less valuable than we are in America. Ron Paul is the only one who seems to give people in other nations the credit that they can actually run their own affairs. The other candidates all seem to think that people in other countries need the president of the United States of America to run their lives and countries for them. And our lives, too, if you listen to what they say.

But go ahead and vote for a neocon, if it pleases you. At least the person whose administration is spying on you, debasing your currency, starting wars in your name (possibly drafting your children) and bankrupting the country will not be a "racist."

Of course the odds of anyone getting to my post are slim, but what the heck...

Here's the problem I'm seeing with people against the gold standard. I have many pro-RP issues, not because of him, but because I was already thinking along those lines. But let's just look briefly at the gold standard.

I could do a detailed analysis and cite sources, but who is going to pay that much attention to the comments section? So I'll point out the current situation we are in. Our economy is suffering badly right now. No one can successfully say we're doing good. We're getting 'blow back' from years of economy manipulation, years of an economy built on vapid consumerism, and years of promoting credit as increasing buying power. It's now coming back. Things always do. With a credit-based economy, you could say things coming back is the foundation concept. Credit boosts the economy in the short term. If you are at the ground floor of a new credit idea, you have the advantage. The average person is on the economic forefront only by luck.

What happens in reality is buying power is still calculated by how much you can afford per month. So if interest rates drop, that doesn't change how much money you have to pay monthly, just the total amount you can borrow maximum. But the seller sees the total price charged as profit. So you can borrow $300,000. Before the interest rate drop you could borrow $200,000. At first you have more purchasing power. But once more people take advantage of the lower rates, the price rises because the seller is interested in the total profit margin, not the buyer's monthly payment.

Say the seller owns the commodity for $100,000 and is looking to double his investment until he realizes he can triple his investment as lending rules become slack. The seller is now looking for $200,000 in hard profit. It's an extra 100 grand in immediate actual cash, not a monthly return on a spreadsheet.

This is all rudimentary, but we have been doing this on a national level and it is a cultural habit at this point. Everyone from Joey Bag-of-Doughnuts to the government has bought into this idea that we can buy now and pay less, but we aren't paying less. We are paying the same amounts, the same percentage of our monthly or annual income for the same products. But we owe more. We own less of what we have. Back when cash on the barrel was the rule, you paid and you owned. Now we put the same amount of cash on the barrel month after month and eventually we own some of what we've been using. The stuff that didn't fall to planned obsolescence before the payments were done, that is.

So now we don't own our houses, our cars or our country. Technically, China owns our debt and therefor owns the country. I wonder: how long until they ask us to sing for our supper? Perhaps if Nixon, who abolished the gold standard had foreseen that, it would have given him the heebie-jeebies and he would have kept the gold standard. But he didn't, therefor he didn't, and so he didn't, and here we are. A nation so used to borrowing and bailouts that we simply don't know what to do now that we're seeing the underlying problems poke through. We can manipulate our economy with artificial numbers for a bit more, but we're running out of places to find the numbers. Like college kids who are nearing graduation and realizing that the student loans aren't going to be deferred anymore.

So, really, you need to (good luck) attack Ron Paul on racism, because I'm looking at our non gold standard economy right now and I'm wondering what is so unsound with his economics. Other than the fact it will be a very painful growing up process for America. But how long were we expecting to stay in school anyway?

And by the way, as has been pointed out. Immigration is not a problem when the economy is fine. But it's tanking and suddenly we're fighting Mexicans for jobs, and well, frankly, perception is not going to favor people who wouldn't be in the fight if they weren't breaking the law.

Okay, I can't put it better than this bloke from the other side of the pond that goes by the screen name strongman.

"We should use this opportunity to ask people to search for Ron Paul on www.youtube.com and make up their own minds.

The mass media would never support anybody who was against spiralling debt, corporate welfare, aggressive imperial agenda, diminishing civil liberties, preemptive invasions and perpetual occupations, billions in foreign 'aid', pandering to special interests and lobby groups, the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, the "war on drugs" and distorted justice, the Federal Reserve's fiat currency monopoly...

(pause for breath)

...the creeping merger of the U.S. with Canada and Mexico, the fast-advancing police state, giant government departments that deliver inferior education, spy on the general population, and promise more in entitlements than could ever be realistically provided."

Just Awsome.

We are All Americans!!!! All of us...

The U.S's Legal Citizens are all in the same boat. We are neither African Americans, Asian Americans, on and on and on. That may have been true in the past but this is NOW. We have been attacked! on our soil and it's time to wake up and stand up.
If we are in this country, Legally then we are AMERICANS.....period. WE have a tough job ahead and we can suceede, if we UNITE; if we are Divided we will fall.

Please lets unite and take back the country of WE THE POPPLE.

We are running for president, Ron Paul is our voice. I read that somewhere and I agree. I trust him, I don't trust the others and I just can't vote for them.
Of course he doesn't have all the answers, but he will take us in another direction and we just can't keep doing the same thing looking for different results!
He is The republican, the others are the same, part of the machine, IMHO

Ron Paul's problem is his ties to Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Rockwell rarely makes overtly racist comments, but it is clear after thoroughly studying LewRockwell.com and the Mises Institute that he has such heavy ties to neo-Confederate "racialist" groups that it's hard to argue he isn't a racist. It is clear that his audience consists of survivalists and Bircher-types, and I'm being kind

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Really? Here in the Bay Area I know a dozen or so web startup liberal activist types who are big fans of antiwar.com and lewrockwell.com too - and not a Bircher or a Neoconfederates among them. Why?

Well, for starters, when every single major media organ and "liberal" public figure was agitating for war - INCLUDING many, many who should have known better - both of those sites were part of a very small clutch of lonely voices providing cogent, constitutional and economic arguments against it.

"Red State Fascism" is still one of my favorite articles by Lew. If I agree with his analysis and full-throated rant against Bush & Co, does that make me a "survivalist" too?

Gee. Maybe I should cancel my subscription to New Scientist and start hoarding MREs.

Please whatever you do, ignore the fact the most racist people are the main stream/status quo Republicans and Democrats. The people who continually ignore the major issues in this country. It's consistent for these politicians to perpetuate the programs they so love, when in reality it destroys peoples lives whilst stealing from others.

If you want to rail on comments that may or may not have been made by Ron Paul (are they even in context?), it's really not the issue. What you have to realize is that the 20 yr old Newsletters are the same as todays blogs. Where you have many people writing comments under the banner of the blog site, such as the Atlantic.

It's time to get real. Out of all of the Presidential candidates, which of them will actually take a proactive part in reducing the "active and functioning racist machine"? Even Obama and Hillary are not willing to face up to the perpetual racism that goes on in our legal system today. Ron Paul will work to end this immediately.

Actions speak much louder than words.

Ron Paul's problem is his ties to Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Rockwell rarely makes overtly racist comments, but it is clear after thoroughly studying LewRockwell.com and the Mises Institute that he has such heavy ties to neo-Confederate "racialist" groups that it's hard to argue he isn't a racist. It is clear that his audience consists of survivalists and Bircher-types, and I'm being kind

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Really? Here in the Bay Area I know a dozen or so web startup liberal activist types who are big fans of antiwar.com and lewrockwell.com too - and not a Bircher or a Neoconfederates among them. Why?

Well, for starters, when every single major media organ and "liberal" public figure was agitating for war - INCLUDING many, many who should have known better - both of those sites were part of a very small clutch of lonely voices providing cogent, constitutional and economic arguments against it.

"Red State Fascism" is still one of my favorite articles by Lew. If I agree with his analysis and full-throated rant against Bush & Co, does that make me a "survivalist" too?

Gee. Maybe I should cancel my subscription to New Scientist and start hoarding MREs.

Here the head of the NAACP of austin tx A black man who has known Dr Paul for 20 years has come forward to say Ron Paul is not a racist .And yet the smear continues . So to all you neocons fox lovers,, You sound stupid when you resort to smears and name calling .LOL Ahh the hypocrisy of it all.

I think it is very significant that he more than doubled Giuliani and almost doubled Thompson in Michigan. So, discount Paul all you want, but he is here to stay. Your polls and primaries are fickle, but we are not. We have a strong base of support that is growing rapidly (4 members of my family converted in the past 2 days).

More than just the fact that Paul is here to stay is that the Republican Party will evaporate if they do not give him the nomination.

Laugh all you want, but we will take this election. Not only because people are trying to black him out, but because he is clearly the most qualified, honest, and constitution abiding candidate on the entire roster.

Ron PAul 2008

I think it is very significant that he more than doubled Giuliani and almost doubled Thompson in Michigan. So, discount Paul all you want, but he is here to stay. Your polls and primaries are fickle, but we are not. We have a strong base of support that is growing rapidly (4 members of my family converted in the past 2 days).

Not only is Paul is here to stay through November, the Republican Party will evaporate if they do not give him the nomination.

Laugh all you want, but we will take this election. Not only because people are trying to black him out, but because he is clearly the most qualified, honest, constitution abiding candidate on the entire roster.

Ron Paul 2008

Please read about him:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Next time someone wants to call a Ron Paul supporter a name like ronbot needs to step back and look at what they are doing. You are belittling people that actually understand that the government is destroying liberty, via the federal reserve and IRS. Just like I am suggesting you don't understand government.

The government is abusing it's power. They have us fighting over parties and issues that won't matter if we don't have a republic. Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants to return this country to the constitution. They don't teach the constitution any more so nobody knows what he is talking about. The founding fathers said if you ever let a central bank into government it will destroy freedom.

Our Federal Gov is suppose to be very limited. Income tax is illegal and that's a fact... Ron Paul wants to reign in the gov so our budget works without it... Only 1/3 of the U.S. budget comes from the income tax. We can run this country without it... How can you argue against getting more of the money you work for? A "tax cut" is a joke comparably...

Good luck with your research!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like a fire, it is dangerous like a servant to the a fearful master." - George Washington

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance". -- James Madison

The best thing about this thread is it's sometimes hard to tell who is actually a supporter of Ron Paul and who is making fun of him.

Jake Martin is a perfect example. You seem earnest - but you can't actually believe what you wrote, right?

You must be a parody. If not, you should be the mayor of "Paultown" when it gets started.

northcalj:

You write as if we are not worthy of your intelligence on the subject.

Not my intention, but you're welcome to see it as you like.

Please, let's debate something with some teeth. Economy, Gold standard, immigration, war.

Economy: Not afraid of the "new money," so I'm out as a Paul-fan
Gold Standard: Against going back to it, again, not up to the standards of a Paul-fan.
Immigration: Against building a wall, not a fan of the minutemen, against amnesty, think illegals should be deported and immigration laws enforced (which means ICE needs to be funded better, which takes taxes, so again, out as a Paul-fan). Pro-legal immigration in reasonably large numbers.
War: against it.

This is the order of my preference for the candidates:

Obama
Edwards
Dodd (out)
Biden (out)
Richardson (out)
Clinton
Paul
Romney
McCain
Thompson
Guiliani
Kucinich

Enjoy. You're a charmer.

Can we get beyond this newsletter crap? Why is it whenever I punch Paul's name into Google jackasses like you appear with another tired column about this.

That would be incredible if I could pick up a newspaper and get them to even admit Paul exists. Guilliani keeps getting his ass kicked and the papers continue to pretend he is a contender while skirting around the Paul phenomena. But lo and behold you get front page billing with nonsense.

Why not do us a favor and talk about real issues that will affect the people. Look at the man's actions past and present. You'll see he is a man of character.

I'm so tired of the race baiting. You have no clue what a racist society is like. Most of us attended integrated schools and grew up in an integrated society. Where are all of the white male racists in charge of everything? I've got news for you newsman. Racist and sexist morons come from all walks of life (I am a male and was discriminated against by a woman who hated men because her worthless husband was a drunk). If Paul was Obama, he'd get a free-pass. Look at Senator Byrd. He was in the Klan for crying out loud!

Let's get over this PC bullshit and move on before it kills us all!

Would it make you feel better if I told you that I wrote them letters?

Socal

You simply talk as we are feeble minded when we speak in favor of Ron Paul that's all. I imagine you actually go looking for these threads "trolling" for a good time bashing Paulites with really nothing to say of substance.

For new money? what does that mean? From China and the Arabs as they buy up our banks who are broke?I just love how our banks are pandering to the Arabs for money as we speak. Gee, many experts agree with Dr. Paul on how this fiat system got us here and even predicted it. No thanks. Or do you mean the rumor about the Amero. Really No thanks!!

You like a federal government that can just "print money" when ever it feels like it because it's BROKE. Sorry that doesn't work and helicopter Ben is going to find that out. Pushing on a string already. I just love to watch Ron Paul school Ben Bernaki. Look it up on You Tube. Now I agree, Old Ron Paul is a little extreme on the gold standard but he is right and somethings got to change. We are broke!! Just look at Japan and they were savers! Their economy is still in the toilet. Do you honestly believe the Republicrats who say they are for change. Give me a break!

Immigration,...i'm right with Ron, simply enforce the laws against he people who hire illegals and take away the birth right. Problem solved without higher taxes smart guy.

Ron's against the War too, so you don't have a problem with him. But...your top flip floppers have had a change of heart here and there. Hmmm. I don't like flip floppers. Hey maybe they will be for whatever "new money" is available? China maybe? The newest poll? Flip Flop, Flip Flop. Funny, the Democrats had to go get some black kid with no experience and he still flip flopped! I will dig it up for you if I have to?

So your obviously for socalized medicine. I'm a doctor, and I'm warning you now....it's a bad idea. You won't like it!

So,...your top choice is a guy with really no experience of any kind in proving he is a leader. Just full of good ideas though,...I bet we could figure out where he is going though by following all the contributions from big business. Shoot Edwards almost cries when he talks about his poor momma and daddy down on the farm stating how he won't take soft money anymore. Right? Got enough chasing ambulances and winning frivilous lawsuits I guess. He is going to good as President though, really! He says he is! No real record though. Have you checked out Dr. Paul's?? Pretty much for the people as I can see. Want me to dig it up for you?? No color stipulations either.


Gee, then there is Hill who is caught taking money from China (wonder how she is going to vote), staging questions, and pandering to the black vote. No thanks.

And those are just your top choices? Do youself a favor and go to FactCheck.org and get the facts on what your bafoons say and what is real. Funny how you won't see any funny math from Paul.

Don't get me started on the Repulican choices, at least you chose him at the top.

So school me Bummatard. How's your little boy going to lead Washington. Might as well vote for a card board cutout.

Can we move on with this old news, newsletter-racist BS please! Enough. It's clear no one knows who wrote this crap 20 some years ago. It is old, it is tiresome, it is a massive distraction on the current issues of the day. Maybe, there were some idiots on Paul's staff who were trying to engage a certain element of society--bad decision. Let's move on. Let's worry about the rut of racism going on today--a genocidal war against the Muslims (kid yourself that it is not one) and the Anglo-jingoistic candidates who support it. Let's worry about the coalitions of groups who have been extorting businesses and the public on race issues for years (well, Jesse Jackson comes to mind, but there are many others). Let's consider the "drug war" (a favorite of the mainstream Elites) and how it disproportionately penalizes minorities. Let's think about minorities (Latin Americans and Afro-Americans) who are not enthralled with an open border. Are they racist? No, they're probably concerned about the law and jobs. Better yet, let's think about solutions instead of smear campaigns. If you play this race game, and it is one huge game, you are buying into the biggest trick the "establishment" has to offer--to divide us all against ourselves on issues of the most visceral type (race, gender, income). No thanks. Stop being part of the problem, and start being part of the groups who are looking to resolve these problems.

So then I suppose we who support the constitution, liberty, sound money, and a smaller federal government are just supposed to roll over and vote for another so called conservative because of Ron Paul's old newsletters. Ron Paul's record of supporting the constitution is flawless. I've been voting for the lesser of two evils for 30+ years and finally we have a candidate to be proud of. Ron Paul may not be perfect but as far as I know Jesus Christ will not be on the ballot in Florida so I guess Ron will get my vote here in the Sunshine State.

It seems now that Ron Paul's real electoral support has been shown to be limited to a few wackos, the Paulbots have retired from hijacking any and every thread that mentions Paul.

Sadly, no.

I'm an old-time right anarchist, small-L "libertarian." I read Justin Raimondo a lot over at Antiwar.com and occasionally the commentators at Lew Rockwell. But I'm not a "Libertarian" in the sense of the Lib Party and never was. I'm a radical Transhumanist.

Look, Paul supporters, here's the bottom line in one, two, three:

1) Yglesias is a smug college kid who views himself as a "super-liberal". His opinion on this is basically worthless. Don't bother trying to convert him.

2) Socaljustice is a known troll here. Don't feed the trolls!

3) Ron Paul has zero chance of ever being President unless the entire chain of command down to him gets killed in a terrorist incident - and if that happened, some Republican would shoot him.

He's not getting the Republican nomination because that's not how this country works. You can all give him your life savings, raise $100 million, $200 million, get Ross Perot AND Bill Gates to fund his campaign - and he's still going to lose - even against Hillary Clinton, one of the most corrupt politicians running.

Libertarianism, small- or big-L, has zero chance in this country - or any other country I'm aware of - of becoming the dominant ideology.

You want to deal with the US state, you'd better join up with radical Transhumans - because we don't play politics. We're going to use technology to achieve freedom. That's the only option there is or ever was based on the reality of human nature.

Hook up or get left behind.

Northcalj:

You simply talk as we are feeble minded when we speak in favor of Ron Paul that's all.

Again, that's your impression and you're entitled to it, but it's not my intent.

I imagine you actually go looking for these threads "trolling" for a good time bashing Paulites with really nothing to say of substance.

Hardly. I'm a fairly regular commentor here, and I've said - several times, even in this thread - that I enjoy when Matt posts on topics that bring out the Paul-fans. It's fun to see you guys in action.

Even your latest response [whether it's AmandaN's self-description as "logical," Colt-1's wonderful and interesting impression of himself as not playing the victim (while playing the victim)], and now you're insistence that people who disagree with Paul - or who focus on his racist newsletters, his long-time connection to the racist scumbag crank lew rockwell - are somehow substance-free.

If that's what you chose to believe, no one's stopping you, and one of the reasons why all "Paul" related threads end up this way (and I'm not involved in 99.9999% of them, but they are mirror images of this one) is because there's no persuading people who have wholly bought into the infallibility cult. And so then, yes, it becomes somewhat fun, partly because there's an air of pointlessness to it.

Character counts, and your man has very, very little, whether or not some of his policies are good (and some are, and others are insane).

So your obviously for socalized medicine. I'm a doctor, and I'm warning you now....it's a bad idea. You won't like it!

I'm for covering as many people as we can and taking care of our poor. It's the least we can do as the richest country in the world.

But, I'm against the Paul-sponsored Sanctity of Life Act of 2007 that tries to abolish the concept of judicial review when it comes to Paul's pet issue - making his "Constitutionalist" claims absolutely laughable.

If your main problem with Obama is lack of experience in leadership positions - that's fine. He's my top choice, but unlike the Paul supporters here, I don't think of him as perfect and infallible. He's just the best option.

However, let's look at what Dr. Paul did with all his leadership experience - allow race baiting, scare mongering/"fear the new money!!!" newsletters go out in his name to raise $$$. That's awesome leadership experience that should comfort every American.

And when called on it, after dodging responsibility for years, he refuses to say who wrote them and just says that he didn't himself, but he takes "moral responsibility" for it, whatever that means. What an experienced leader.

I can't wait until he's President.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned (there are quite a few comments), but I don't think Lew Rockwell is a racist. In fact, he's constantly criticized by the racialist right for ignoring race and the "Jewish question".

For example, Fred Reed, a former contributor to Lew's website (lewrockwell.com) had his articles removed from LRC's archive due to his comments about race - Reed, I believe, complained about this on his own website.

Lew also once published a couple of articles by Jared Taylor, the editor of the white nationalist American Renaisance magazine. The articles didn't specifically deal with race, but Lew removed the articles from the website and you can't even find them by hunting through the archives.

This all happened, by the way, well in advance of Paul's presidential campaign. Whether Lew has had a change of heart in recent years or only grudgingly associated himself with some racialists in the past as allies of convenience, I can't say.

Others have also noted that Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and Burt Blumert (LRC's publisher) were/are Jewish. Numerous site have also accused Lew of ignoring the "ZOG" when criticizing the state. As an occasional LRC columnist, I once even received an e-mail accusing me of ignoring the Jews' culpability in forming our nation's immigration policy.

As for the Confederate charge - Classical liberals from Lord Acton through modern day libertarians have been critical of Lincoln. That said, the author of "The Real Lincoln" has said that he would have likely supported the Civil War if he actually believed that its purpose was to end slavery. Economists at the LvMI institute have also noted that the South implemented government regulations to help preserve slavery. Libertarians simply are skeptical of centraliztion and war.

If you disagree with laissez-faire, federalism, etc., that's fair, but can't we have a debate over these issues instead of throwing around insults such as "racist"? I think everyone agrees that government action creates at least some distortions and imbalances. Libertarians merely see those distortions as outweighing the benefits of government intervention. Feel free to dissent, but I think we can be civil to each other.

PS - David Duke has denounced Ron Paul for being "soft" on MLK and is encouraging people to contribute to his website rather than Paul's campaign. I guess Dr. Paul just can't win!

Wow, Dick.

I've been posting here way longer than you.

It's classic to see someone as nutty as you come here and start throwing around the term "troll."

In fact, I can't even believe I'm writing this post in response to you. As lockstep silly as the Paulbots are, they have absolutely nothing on you, Dick.

I'll give you this - since you've started reading MY's site, probably about 25% of the comments here are yours.

True, most of them go completely ignored because of your very personal, special style of crazy rant. But you are nothing if not prolific. But we should all be lucky since this site clearly keeps you off the streets.


SR,

Accepting everything you say as true, for the sake of argument, what do you make of this claim:

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

Racist or not?

"You simply talk as we are feeble minded when we speak in favor of Ron Paul"

If the shoe fits...

I mean, Jesus, you folks can't spell, single-post, or lay out even mildly coherent arguments. Such things are a problem when attempting persuasion.

Hey guys,

Here's proof that Hillarity Clinton wrote those racist newsletters:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/07/16/hillary.book.response.02/index.html

I think Paulites forgive him the newsletters because on the other hand, he is the only candidate who has an anti-racist view on the misguided War on Drugs. He spells it out quite clear how that policy systematically goes after blacks, and yet not even Obama talks about it.

None of his opinions on any of his issues are racist, and it's been that way his whole career. I could see if people started coming out of the woodwork claiming they knew him when he was a Klan member or something, but that's just not happening, and I think it's because he is who he says he is.

When he said that he was aware of the newsletters but never checked on them or read them, I believe him. He said he was busy between politics and his practice and touring around giving speeches. I just wish he'd of been more aware.

I think Paulites forgive him the newsletters because on the other hand, he is the only candidate who has an anti-racist view on the misguided War on Drugs. He spells it out quite clear how that policy systematically goes after blacks, and yet not even Obama talks about it.

None of his opinions on any of his issues are racist, and it's been that way his whole career. I could see if people started coming out of the woodwork claiming they knew him when he was a Klan member or something, but that's just not happening, and I think it's because he is who he says he is.

When he said that he was aware of the newsletters but never checked on them or read them, I believe him. He said he was busy between politics and his practice and touring around giving speeches. I just wish he'd of been more aware.

Here are your orders, in the right order:
Stay calm.
Tell all you friends and contacts politely why he should be president.
Donate to his campaign.
Vote for him.
He WILL win.
We need to save America NOW!

If the shoe fits...

I mean, Jesus, you folks can't spell, single-post, or lay out even mildly coherent arguments. Such things are a problem when attempting persuasion.

This is the typical response from an anti-Paul-knob. You simply ignore all of the issues the guy raised and make a personal attack. This is why I've given up arguing with morons on blogs about why I support Ron Paul. If you can't see why Ron Paul is so important to America then you're just not paying attention.

It's your duty as an American to make an INFORMED decision when it comes to voting or don't vote at all. If you can not discuss the points that we raise or that Ron Paul raises intelligently without resorting to terms like "kooky" or Paultard then don't waste our time. You simply come across sounding like one of the natives from the movie Idiocracy.

"Shuuutup! Ron Paul sounds like a fag. He talks too much.. Just bomb some Arabs already!!"

For example, Fred Reed, a former contributor to Lew's website (lewrockwell.com) had his articles removed from LRC's archive due to his comments about race - Reed, I believe, complained about this on his own website.

I think you mean Bob Wallace (best known for his articles on using cartoon characters as mythical archetypes). Fred Reed is still listed as a columnist.

But, I'm against the Paul-sponsored Sanctity of Life Act of 2007 that tries to abolish the concept of judicial review when it comes to Paul's pet issue - making his "Constitutionalist" claims absolutely laughable.

You may be against it, but it doesn't make it unconstitutional. Judicial review is not in the Constitution, and in fact there is nothing in the Constitution giving the Supreme Court the power to declare state laws unconstitutional (under the 5th section of the 14th amendment, it is Congress who does this by legislation).

Interesting discussion ...

The issue of racism is a tough one.

On one hand there is genetics. We look different. It's part of life. It's out of our control.

Then, there is culture. Culture is creatively invented. It's a collectively generated infrastructure of ideas that generates our respective civilizations.

Importantly, culture is invented by us humans and is therefore always fallible ... and always changing. Culture is an ongoing experiment in civilization.

I believe it is racist to fault or make value judgments about any individual or body of people based on their genetics.

I believe it is wise to try and make value judgments about peoples actions, ideology, and vision of civilization.

Our ability to evolve better civilizations depends upon our ability to be honest... to have an honest discussion about what cultural ideas seem to work well and promote greater well-being, and which ones seem to be destructive.

Being white, or black, or brown, or red, or purple ... in may view is incidental.

If a group of people adopt a 'bad' cultural idea and they happen to be of a certain genetic make-up ... the genetics are irrelevant ... what matters is the bad idea.

Within every genetically defined group good and bad ideas have been experimented with throughout the ages. Our color does not give us our imagination.

I will never judge anyone based on the color of their skin ... but I will always judge everyone based on their actions, ideology, and vision of civilization.

Not to create war and discord, but to try and help make a better world.

Cheers,
Dorf


Seriously, the newsletter scandal dosen't look that impressive at all compared to some of the dirt you can easily dig up on the other candidates by doing a simple web search. Why dosen't the media overanalyze Mike Huckabee's release of a serial rapist to this same extent? Let's comment on how his overpowering religious views could effect his descision making skills with an in depth psychoanalysis and pannel of experts.

I think the real story the media is missing here is the clear generation gap happening and where Paul's support is coming from. Go ahead, call a bunch of first time voters and college students spambots, tell them they are just crazy hackers, make fun of them. What you don't realzie is that by doing this, you are disenfranchising an entire new generation of up and coming voters and I believe there will be eventual blowback.

James Mason,

What marks the Paulbots as spambots as opposed to real people is that they don't bother to look around and notice that they're commenting on a Democratic leaning website, not a Republican one.

Letting us know that ronpaul isn't as offensive as Mike Huckabee isn't going to win you any points among this audience. We don't like Mike Huckabee to begin with.

And you're not the only one. Many of the cut 'n' paste comments here are comparing the crazy Texas Congressman to the other GOP candidates.

I have no idea if the major malfunction here is one of IQ or of social skills, but whichever, it's pretty weird stuff.

Petey,

If the MSM, left or right, for that matter, would give us a little exposure, there wouldn't be this infringement of interest into your 'scary' liberal blogshpere. However, I've been left of left my entire life and have never felt as strongly about a candidate's message (read message) in my entire life.

CitiBank is collapsing, Countrywide (mortgages) was just bought by Bank of America for "pennies on the dollar". While our status quo political leaders speak in ubiquitous phrases such as war on terror, raising up America and Change!

Change is already here. It's called Socialism.

And not until the day the government controls every last penny we have, will the conformists wake-up and cry for their liberties.

Go ahead, find some racism in that logic.

These are the candidates who are CFR members

Democrat CFR Candidates:

Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:

Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson

Mike Huckabee is being advised by the Director of the CFR according to a recent statement made by him.

The main, root cause, issues of the 2008 that none of the candidates is talking about (except for Ron Paul) are the following:

1) the united states debt of $9.2 Trillion
2) the unfunded liabilities totaling $60 Trillion (U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO))
3) the monetization of debt (that is, making money out of thin air - Freedom Force International - Welcome)

Unless your candidate talks about these root-cause issues, they are just spouting empty rhetoric.

Please research these issues and the CFR, and how the CFR is selling the US out to the international bankers.

In 2005, CFR co-chair Robert Pastor told Congress, "The best way to secure the US today is not at our two borders with Mexico and Canada, but at the borders of North America as a whole." The CFR task force he headed called for one border around North America, freer travel within it, and cooperation among Canadian, Mexican and American military forces and law enforcement for greater security. It called for full mobility of labor among the three countries within five years, similar to the European Union.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union:

At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action. We welcome this important development and offer this report to add urgency and specific recommendations to strengthen their efforts.

What is the plan? Simple, erase the borders. The plan is contained in a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" little noticed when President Bush and President Fox created it in March 2005:

In March 2005, the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States adopted a Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), establishing ministerial-level working groups to address key security and economic issues facing North America and setting a short deadline for reporting progress back to their governments. President Bush described the significance of the SPP as putting forward a common commitment "to markets and democracy, freedom and trade, and mutual prosperity and security." The policy framework articulated by the three leaders is a significant commitment that will benefit from broad discussion and advice. The Task Force is pleased to provide specific advice on how the partnership can be pursued and realized.

For example, Fred Reed, a former contributor to Lew's website (lewrockwell.com) had his articles removed from LRC's archive due to his comments about race - Reed, I believe, complained about this on his own website.

I think you mean Bob Wallace (best known for his articles on using cartoon characters as mythical archetypes). Fred Reed is still listed as a columnist.

Thanks, you're correct. I saw that Reed was speaking at Taylor's AmRen conference, so I assume he was the disaffected columnist.

Hey soCal,

Don't get the wrong idea, a blog without differing views would be pointless, right? Blog on.

Other than racist commentary, I really don't see much substance against Ron Paul? Point it out I guess but I'm missing it. I also find it kind of funny that an Obama supporter here talking about racism. It goes both ways you know?

Being a card carrying member of his racist church, he’s not fooling anybody with half a brain into believing he’s going to sever any connection to Calypso Louie. Farrakhan’s bunch and the Trininity Church are in lock step regarding all their tenets about blacks and the mother continent, Africa.

Remember Obama’s adament statement that the country must make amends and assist all black men, because they’ve been given a raw deal?

These tenets certainly don't bring races together.

It's admirable that you want to help he poor with health care. I do it ALL the time on my dime. The richest country in the world,...that's laughable. We are BROKE! Medicare is slated to go broke in 2018 or earlier. The FEHBP "like" program your man promotes calls for the government to pick up 70-75% of the premium. Where is that going to come from? I deal with insurance companies all day long and they are the problem. Some basically practicing medicine hiring a SECOND doctor to review and limit care? A patient bill of rights and insurance regulation would be nice. We certainly don't need more goverment intervention here. Bad bad idea! I encourage you to do some real research.

Uh oh, here we go, the abortion card. I am not going to debate you here because I'm not going to base my vote on it. I will just state I'm against it in almost all cases.

*However, let's look at what Dr. Paul did with all *his leadership experience - allow race baiting, *scare mongering/"fear the new money!!!" *newsletters go out in his name to raise $$$. *That's awesome leadership experience that should *comfort every American.

*And when called on it, after dodging *responsibility for years, he refuses to say who *wrote them and just says that he didn't himself, *but he takes "moral responsibility" for it, *whatever that means. What an experienced leader.

This is all pretty weak isn't it? This is it? This is all you have? Your attack on his character is a joke. Please bring proof where he fears "new money" whatever that is, dodging responsibility (the rascist card?).

I think if you really research his work he has always been for the people. Do some research and come on back.

Do yourself a favor and follow the money. Is "new Money" all the money Obama accepted from wallstreet? Goldmans Sach, JP Morgan, Citi, are all top contributors among others. With these companies now being bought up by China and Arabs, I guess you could say Obama is funded by them, no? Look it up.

Nice post Uncle Sam,

Basically the Amero zone with the new currenncy, the Amero. An example, The Euro zone. Not working out so great for them? Somewhat works out to be a prisoner's dilema in the end. Seems with Bernaki tanking the dollar,it's already in the works!

Is that what you mean by "new money" Socal. Oh boy, i can't wait!

lets put these racist newsletters in context with other top tier candidates problems.

McCain tried to grant amnesty to all illegals.
he has no idea whats going on with the economy
he proved that with the last debate. newsflash we are in a recession, and its gonna be along one. anyone who cant see this may actually destroy th US. oh yeah 100 yrs in Iraq

Huckabee pardoned DuMonds 40 yr prison term and he turned around and raped and killed 1 maybe 2 women. yeah thats on par with racist newsletters written 20 years ago by someone else under your name

Guilianis law firm is helping sell our infastructure (roads) to forieng companies. His office put the emergency management for the all of NY in the only building actually bombed previously . then he tells everyone the air isn't toxic when it was and now people are dieing from it. again newsletters???

Romney is the rebublicans John Kerry. He will say anything you want to hear no matter if it contradicts everything he has said in the past. im for abortion oops im not in mass any more i mean i am against abortion. hes done this with every topic

When it comes to Paul it doesnt matter what he has done in congress or what he says in his speaches or any of the books it has written it only matters whats in some newsletter 20 yrs ago. everyone else gets a pass. I am black. I have met DR. Paul. He showed no racism to me. i will support him if he runs third party and appreciate all he has done for liberty. all the rest are horrible choices for president.

Wow! Ron Paul is doing fantastic and the neocons and leftists are very scared. The smearing has risen to a frenzied pitch as the corporatists and nanny staters are frantically trying to find some kind of major dirt on the good doctor.

AND THIS IS SO WONDERFUL!

The owned and paid-for elitists are so stupid. Ignoring Dr. Paul was a much better strategy. As Paul supporters dig into this morass of lies and stretched-truths, they realize there's nothing there and OUR SUPPORT IS INCREASING AS A RESULT! Here in Chicago, our Ron Paul campaign groups have DOUBLED IN SIZE IN ONLY TWO WEEKS! The vast majority of our new members are disgusted by the obvious obfuscations and smear tactics started by The New Republic and Reason Magazine. They can see the truth through the lies.

Now Ron Paul support is climbing in SC, NV and FL in a direct coorelation to the increase in smearing! People in the US have had it with these tactics and they are going to show it. Paul is now polling higher in IL, CA, NV and SC. He may not win, but this revolution will not end if he loses.

KEEP UP THE SMEARS PLEASE! YOU ARE HELPING RON PAUL!

I personally don't care about the 20 year old Ron Paul newsletters, or about the Keating Five (McCane) or about Hillary's lesbian issues, (London Times) or her criminal enterprise in Arkansas and her use of N---- and J-- in front of Arkansas Troupers. I do not care about Obama' s drug use and his raciest church. I care about the real issues facing this nation. I do care about the Huck being financed and propelled (Tyson Foods, Stephens Inc. Fox News) by Clinton cronies as Hillary's puppet candidate for an easy win for Hillary after primaries. I do care that Romney supporters were caught stuffing straw poll ballots in St. Pete on film and it has gone unnoticed by the main stream media. I do care that Judicial Watch has named Hillary, Obama, Huckster and Rudy in their Top Ten list of corrupt politicians But what I care most about is the orchestrated smear campaign against the only honorable man in Washington, Dr. Ron Paul! The big picture is that with the passing of the Patriot Act and the War Commission Act our Constitution is history. Dr. Paul is the only candidate that intends to reverse these draconian usurpations on our civil liberties. Dr. Ron Paul is the only candidate that addresses the economic policies that have permitted private corporate bankers to hijack our monetary system, calling themselves the Federal Reserve, when they are neither Federal nor are they a Reserve. Dr. Ron Paul wants to end the printing of "money" out of thin air and the unconstitutional I.R.S. He is the only candidate that has proven that he is not raciest. He will end the "War on Drugs". Historically a crime was an act that harmed the life liberty or property of another. The mere possession of something does not harm other individuals. Based on Constitutional theories of individual liberty that reject collectivist rationalizations of controlling individual behavior for some perceived notions of group harm, we should never have engaged in the "War on Drugs' without a Constitutional Amendment. First because it is philosophically inconsistent and secondly because there is no Constitutional Jurisdiction. We needed an Amendment to prohibit alcohol back when people read the Constitution. A dumbed down America and a propagandized media has allowed liberty to vanish. Why would we as a nation allow the criminalization of a medical problem and house these non violent drug offenders at a rate higher then any other industrialized nation? An obvious answer to this question is Prison Factories. Wake up America! Slavery is back! Multinational Corporations and our own government have created laws that disproportionately target minorities and what I call "dirty white boys" (blue collar workers) and found a way to shackle them and have them work for pennies on a dollar. These prison factories are are offering all types of goods and services including military gear for our troops. No need to pay minimum wage, insurance, family leave, sick leave or any of those pesky benefits necessary in the free market. Mandatory sentencing after a conviction sends a person to jail for twenty-five years for the amount of heroine you can hold in your hand. Bifurcated trials allows the jury to convict without the knowledge of the sentence, compounding the injustice. Why are all of the candidates silent on this issue except for Dr. Ron Paul? Why has the main stream media tried to smear him, disparage him, ignore him, ridicule him, marginalize him and some say threaten him? He is the candidate for change, a change for Liberty. As Dr. Paul has said, "not even an army can stop an idea whose time has come." Dr. Paul's message of "Freedom" is being heard around the world! You can not stop us now, this is not a political campaign, this is a Revolution.

Ron Paul does not choose who supports him. If neo-con groups choose to send him money, how is that any different than a black rights group that supports Obama for the sole reason of the color of his skin. If you ask me, thats racism at its worst. Ive talked to many black people and they are planning to blindly vote for Obama for no other reason than that.

Ron Paul supports my way of thinking. I am sick of the government handouts to groups of people based on their racial or ethnic background. What is more racist than saying "you get government funding because you are a 'minority'" as opposed to a white child who is in the same financial trouble. Being white isn't a magic card through college and into the job market as many make it seem. If you are going to give handouts, make them available for EVERYONE who needs them or give nothing at all.

Ron Paul's ways of limited government will end the segragating of races faster than any equality laws we can imagine. What's the best way to make people eventually respect eachother as equals? Put them in the same boat. Equality laws give minoritys more rights than whites in hopes of making them feel equal. This is not right. If the next generation grows up interacting with other races and not feeling jealous or suspicious of things like assisted college it will go a long way towards ending racism for good in this country.

Ron Paul does not choose who supports him. If neo-con groups choose to send him money, how is that any different than a black rights group that supports Obama for the sole reason of the color of his skin. If you ask me, thats racism at its worst. Ive talked to many black people and they are planning to blindly vote for Obama for no other reason than that.

Ron Paul supports my way of thinking. I am sick of the government handouts to groups of people based on their racial or ethnic background. What is more racist than saying "you get government funding because you are a 'minority'" as opposed to a white child who is in the same financial trouble. Being white isn't a magic card through college and into the job market as many make it seem. If you are going to give handouts, make them available for EVERYONE who needs them or give nothing at all.

Ron Paul's ways of limited government will end the segragating of races faster than any equality laws we can imagine. What's the best way to make people eventually respect eachother as equals? Put them in the same boat. Equality laws give minoritys more rights than whites in hopes of making them feel equal. This is not right. If the next generation grows up interacting with other races and not feeling jealous or suspicious of things like assisted college it will go a long way towards ending racism for good in this country.

I love how the Paulbots also don't understand blog posting. They see this post and think it is a single, complete critique of Paul's platform and candidacy. Matt posted this because it is an interesting look into a theme that seems to have haunted Paul for much of his career.

I could care less if Paul is a racist, I'll never vote for him, but what is interesting is why his platform attracts racists. Paul is selling 'freedom', but it is only freedom from the federal government. The federal government to me is a neutral variable. It isn't inherently good (Iraq war), it isn't inherently bad (Brown v. Education). The federal government is a tool and politics is our means of determining how it is used.

Paul's vision is to put less power in the federal government and put more power into the states. This is what is attractive to the racists. They know they can sell their hatred in the smaller market of the various states. Paul doesn't seem to care. If the majority in a state want to pass racist laws, he seems to be fine with it. Does that make him a racist? I don't care it is enough for me to avoid him like the plague.

So Paulbots, what sayeth thee? How does Paul's platform free us from the shackles of state government?

Socal,

Obviously you have a hatred or bias against Paul and/or his supporters. Fine so be it, you're entitled to your opinion, and I am not going to try to change your mind. But Ron Paul's newsletters are nothing new, they were first brought to light in 1996 by his Democratic rival when he returned to the House. He disavowed the views then as he does now. So TNR really didn't "scoop" this issue.

But let's look at some excerpts from the TNR article:

"The January 1991 edition of the Political Report refers to King as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours" and a "flagrant plagiarist with a phony doctorate."

It is well documented that King did plagiarize his dissertation at Boston University, so his doctorate would be considered phony. It maybe doesn't lessen the impact that King had on history any less than calling George Washington a slave-owner. As for why the attacks on King, opposing forced integration (government tyranny) doesn't make one a racist.

"The March 1987 issue of The Ron Paul Investment Letter calls Israel "an aggressive, national socialist state."

His greatest sin perhaps to the TNR crowd, not kowtowing to Israel. The statement may seem a bit of hyperbole, but considering Israeli treatment of the Palestinians at the time (1987) not completely unreasonable.

"A 1989 newsletter compares Salman Rushdie to Ernst Zundel, a Canadian Holocaust-denier."

This comment was taken out of context by the writer probably because TNR was mentioned in the Report. He was merely stating that why should a man who mocked a religion (Rushdie) be allowed to not only have that right protected but guarded by the state (The UK gave Rushdie 24 hour police protection) and that standard is upheld by TNR, while another man voiced his opinion about the Holocaust, was jailed for it, and the man Zunndel was condemned by TNR which didn't recognize his right to free speech. The author was merely pointing out TNR's hypocrisy.

Conspiracies: Ron Paul's views on conspiracies are well known and documented. Heck he endorses the John Birch Society. This may be part of his appeal, but not anything he shies away from, so no new revelation here.


Gays:

He writes a lot about gays going back into the closet, writing around the height of the AIDS epidemic. Some of his comments seem naive now, but no worse than what many Americans believed at the time, and no worse than what Huckabee stated at that time as well.

"A January 1994 edition of the Survival Report states that "gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense," adding: "[T]hese men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners." Also, "they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

This was largely true, and a concern in the gay community. Gay activists thought that if gays were allowed to marry, then gay promiscuity would slow or even stop altogether. At least that's the argument for gay marriage advanced by Sullivan, et al.

So yes it's unfortunate that Paul and/or Rockwell took some lowbrow shots at King, and Sharpton using rather crude language (though this is Rockwell's writing style), but it hardly constitutes racism. No calls for blacks to be enslaved, no calls for the "white race" to keep other races down, the newsletter even condemns Zundel's views on the Holocaust odious. Paul was naive about AIDS, and gays (as many Americans were)and gives credence to conspiracy theories. That's it. As for Rockwell and the Mises Institute, I have visited their website and read Rothbard's book on the Betrayal of the Old Right (I recommend you and/or Matt read it), and that's really the issue here.

This is a fight between the paleos, and the neos in the conservative movement, and about the role of government. Are we a loose confederation of states with a weak central government, and can states secede if they feel tyrannized (please, being pro-secessionists does not mean you are racist or pro-slavery), or are we 50 units of a strong federal government that can impose its will on people no matter what? Maybe it seems like a re-fighting of the Civil War, but one thing conservatives used to agree on and disagree with liberals on is that states have rights, that should trumpet the federal government. But now may neo-cons only give lip service to this idea, while the paleos still believe it, and Ron Paul seems to be at the center of this fight.

Anyway so now you know a little more about Paul, and these issues. Maybe you don't care, maybe your mind is already made up, and that's fine. But at the very least let's keep the debate civil, throwing around names doesn't do anyone any good.



Your statement of racists being more powerful at the state level is pretty broad. Be specific. Please provide factual evidence that this is plausable and I will repsond.

Yor believe Paul will bring back duelism? Doubtful and I've seen nothing in his back gorund in congress to lead me to this conclusion. Be specific on how he will do this. Most of his writings and work are put the power back in the hands of the people and not special interest. This is regarless of color. I don't need the government to help me defend against racism and as I have said before this strikes both ways.

Your post is weak and ridiculous. Be specific on the "shackles" and I will respond.

"Your statement of racists being more powerful at the state level is pretty broad. Be specific. Please provide factual evidence that this is plausable and I will repsond."

Ok, northcaljustice...

Let's start with gerrymandering a favorite of anti-democracy types and racists. The South has a deplorable record of ghetto-izing and terrorizing voters. As it stands, the federal government only cares about this when the people in power do, but if the federal government won't and can't ensure fair elections what legitimacy does our country have?

How about anti-miscegenation laws? Paul talks a lot about civil liberties, but if the federal government won't or can't step in what stops these laws? I actually think some states may still have such laws on the book even though they aren't enforced.

We already have states that are instituting school choice, what happens when states start creating systems that force minorities to remain in their substandard schools but continually take funding from them because they underperform?

I'm just throwing these out there to be nice, so why don't you tell me how each one of Paul's positions will make our country a better place. Be specific, I want you to deal with all his policies and include no only why he thinks they are good but also includes why those who oppose them are wrong. Details please. If you want me to buy into the Paul vision I need specifics not just fluff about freedom and vague promises of the rectitude of small government.

Is this the only "smear" you can come up with against Ron Paul? You persist in trying to drag this on and on after it's so obvious Ron Paul is the least racist candidate of all.

He loved and admired Rosa Parks (seen the photo of him with her and her family?) and has been quoting Martin Luther King for decades, etc. He was the only one in the '80s speaking out against the war on drugs persecuting minorities and how unfair it was.

Heard the radio program with the Austin Texas President of the NAACP defending Dr. Paul, having known him for 20 years? Ever heard of Albert Howard, a huge supporter of Ron Paul's for years, who stepped forward on Ron Paul's behalf for the vote recount?

You already know all this but still you persist. What candidate are you working for, or is your agenda to elect "anyone but Ron Paul"?

Why don't you give equal time to other candidates? How about some Huckabee dirt? Covering up his son torturing and killing a dog then firing a staff member who refused to participate (Newsweek had the guts to report this one)? Destroying the computer hard drives after his governor term? Lying about his theology degree? His comments about quarantining people with AIDS? Wanting to change the Constitution to suit his personal agenda? Saying that angels guide his bullets when he's in the forest shooting animals (this is a direct quote)?

Or how about McCain's "berka" comment during the debates, his singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" -- if that wasn't a Howard Dean "scream" moment to play over and over in the media, I don't know what was.

We love and support Ron Paul and your smear tactics are completely transparent and absurd.

Now why don't you follow Ron Paul's example and go do something positive and honorable with your life?

Re: Petey comment: "What marks the Paulbots as spambots as opposed to real people is that they don't bother to look around and notice that they're commenting on a Democratic leaning website, not a Republican one.
Letting us know that ronpaul isn't as offensive as Mike Huckabee isn't going to win you any points among this audience. We don't like Mike Huckabee to begin with."

Oh, yeah? So where's the dirt and smear articles on Huckabee or the other Republicans, then? There's tons more skeletons to be found among them and their supporters are a lot more fickle than Ron Paul's growing and devoted support base.

The real question here is: Why is Ron Paul the only Republican being singled out for this obvious smear?

Scared he just might be the Last Republican Standing in the end who will be giving Hillary or Obama a run for their money?


The real question here is: Why is Ron Paul the only Republican being singled out for this obvious smear?

Because he sent out conspiracy mongering, race baiting, hateful newsletters in his own name to raise money - for years.

It would be silly in the extreme to target Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney or John McCain (to name but a few examples) by trying to blame them for the vicious and evil rantings in something called "The Ron Paul Newsletter" and "The Ron Paul Report" and "The Ron Paul Survivalist whatever."

Does that answer your real question?

Scared he just might be the Last Republican Standing in the end who will be giving Hillary or Obama a run for their money?

I so wish he would be - but that is not, and never was, going to happen.


I don't see why it matters if RP's words were "racist" or not. Much (or all) of what he wrote was true so whether or not it was racist isn't really relevant.

For instance RP is being called 'racist' because he (or the ghostwriter) said that MLK was a plagiarist. This is actually indisputable I guess pointing out MLK's character flaws is 'racism' in the Marxist play-book, but why does this matter?

McCain never met a Bill or a War he did not like. He admits to being part of the problem in the Republican party in the past, to bad he could not have figured that out BEFORE the election. He certainly is not the brightest bulb in the bunch..President?

Huckabee wants to do to the Constitution what sharia law does for middle eastern government. Taxes? All of a sudden (during election) he becomes the great anti-Tax man. How convienant, to bad he could not have figured that out before the election..

Romney as McCain called the kettle black is truly the "Candidate of Change" (Changing sides) Can anyone say flip-flopper?

Rudy... Can anyone say 9-11 a hundred times fast without a lisp?

Thompson..Can anyone say Law and Order? Thompson could certainly ACT the part but could he play it? Very doubtful.

Ron Paul.. With the whole GOP against him he is definitely an underdog and with his radical idea of following the constitution and strengthening the dollar he is on a rocky road, on the other hand most Americans love an underdog too..

Hillary? Her experience is about the same as a Football Quarterbacks wife deciding to play the game herself.

Obama? Who the hell is Obama really? Obama has more faces than Mount Rushmore and even less experience then Hillary in Washington. They would make great running mates, the blind leading the blind, which is business as usual in Washington..

Edwards? Same old stuff and the typical Washington insider, even worse, an Attorney by trade..

Dennis Kucinich? Well he is out, the Demo Party and Mainstream media Ross Perot'ed his butt. Ask most anyone about him and they will say "Isn't he the guy that saw UFO's?" Shame, he was the smartest guy on the Demo side.

So, after looking at this list and who mainstream media and the parties say has the best chances of winning, you should be afraid, very afraid...

Well okay Ricky,

Your example of Gerrymandering is a weak one because actually it is some states that are engineering legislation or appointing a commision to stop it at the state level. Remember in the case ot Tom Delay?? The Supreme court upheld his right to gerrymander.

anti-miscegenation laws? Are you serious? So you think if Paul is elected, interacial marriages will cease? Wow? That is extremely ignorant and something I would expect to hear from a racist! I'm pretty sure that most Americans in all States are beyond allowing that stupidity to be a problem. I'm not so sure about Obama's Church though. I know for a fact that are NOT for interracial marriage.

Ron Paul is for school choice: Family education freedom act, Teacher's tax cut, and the education improvement tax cut act. All which empower the people to make their own choices on how their children are educated. He is certainly for disbanding the Dept. of education which in my opinion is a bureacratic joke. So how exactly does this hurt a inner city kid who wants a better education?

Why should you buy into his vision? Honestly I don't care if you do, nothing personal?

I've discussed immigration, the economy, and healthcare, and the war at length in prior posts with facts to back up my points. Look them over.

I'm not here to do research for you but to defend dishonest attacks on Ron Paul. The racist rant is a losing proposition and is why it is only put out in editorials such as this because Dr. Paul cannot defend himself. Notice how Fox didn't touch it in the debates. He would have ate their lunch much as we do here when you have to face the facts.

Sorry northcaljustice, you haven't refuted anything I said. Gerrymandering is still a problem no matter what the Supreme Court said. The court upheld slavery for years...as I said the federal government is an imperfect tool. So some states are trying to stop it, what about the others? As I said if even one state's voting situation is compromised what does that say about the legitimacy of our country as a democracy?

I won't do your research for you, but as I said I am not even sure if every state currently allows (as in doesn't have a law banning it) miscegenation. I know for a fact some southern states only officially took them off their books in the past 20 years. I know many states have sodomy laws, but the civil rights of gays doesn't count I am sure.

I am sure Paul is for school choice. And I am sure his racist supporters can't wait until he disbands the DOE and they can further their 'separate but equal' schools to continue to ensure minorities don't get the same quality of education. Geez in Texas itself the rich communities lavish their schools with PhD teachers and swimming pools, some inner city schools get a technology upgrade--metal detectors! Take out the DOE and how quickly will this devolve? Without the federal government involvement it won't take much for some school boards to return to Jim Crow-era tactics.

As you say, I am not here to do research for you either, so the fact that you again won't defend your candidate on a case-by-case basis on all his polices for me (just like you are asking me to do for you) only shows that you too can't defend your guy since you say my attempts constitute a failure I too deem your attempts a failure.

This libertarian drivel has been shown to be a crock for decades and only 5% of the population even considers it a viable alternative (of course I wonder how much of Paul's 5% support is by the libertarians or by single issue anti-war Repubs). Paul is right on the war and is right about the damage that the Bush administration is done, but just because he can call a spade a spade doesn't mean any of his plans are better. I just find it interesting that the most virulent of white supremacist and anti-Semitic groups flock to his banner.

Nearly all people I've seen criticize Ron Paul and his supporters have mastered only the ad hominem, a logical fallacy of course. If you don't believe logic has a place in argument, you deserve the other candidates. It is amazing that now I am dismissed as a wacko for using logic. VERY few directly answer Ron Paul's arguments. The rest of us are voting for him because his arguments are solid. Guilt by association--let's see, if a black dude in prison for murder wants Obama as President, Obama is therefore evil, right?

Ricky, Geez, c'mon man, your talking in circles now.

The states are currently fighting against Gerrymandering and being hindered by the federal government. I gave you one example of many and you blantantly make a racist assumption about southern states? How is it going to be worse when the people have more power at the state level?

You give me a long shot "what if" non-factual assumption about interacial marriage under Ron Paul and I pose to you a FACT about Obama's church! This possibility is a joke to me anyway. You gotta do better than this?

I gave you three acts that Ron Paul wrote in congress that directly apply to your assumed poor inner city kid that actually HELP his cause. Read it again and look them up! You have given me nothing but what if's. I have given you facts! Go look up Paul's record yourself. It's public record. Stop trying to imply something that is not there.

Who are you, Sean Hannity?

Lastly, Ron Paul is the only candidate that was against the war in Iraq prior to and after. No Flippity Flop when it's oh so convenient.

Well I guess that's it Paulbots? Another can of STFU has been delivered.

By the way Matthew, Socal, Petey, Ricky,..thanks for feeding us and allowing us to get the facts out about Ron. I mean this is a "democratic leaning" blog isn't it? Thanks again.

It's funny how we all focus on Ron Paul. But does anyone remember John McCains Racist Comment?

John McCain's racist remark very troubling

Thursday, March 2, 2000

By KATIE HONG
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction between his torturers and an entire racial group.

It is alarming because a major candidate for president publicly used a racial epithet, refused to apologize for doing so and remains a legitimate contender.

Contrary to McCain's attempt to narrowly define "gook" to mean only his "sadistic" captors, this term has historically been used to describe all Asians. McCain said that "gook" was the most "polite" term he could find to describe his captors, but because it is simply a pejorative term for Asians, he insulted his captors simply by calling them "Asians" -- a clearly disturbing message. To the Asian American community, the term is akin to the racist word "nigger." A friend of mine, a white male Vietnam veteran, pointed out that veterans, especially Vietnam veterans, know how spiteful the term "gook" is. It has everything to do with labeling someone as "other," the enemy and yellow. McCain sent the message that all Asians are foreigners and remain forever the "other" and the enemy.

The perception of Asians as "foreigners" or "the other" isn't new. This sentiment is what led to passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the Japanese American internment during World War II. The internment of Japanese Americans is now recognized as one of the worst civil rights violations in our country's history and a powerful lesson in what can happen when race alone is used as a test for loyalty or who is defined as an American.

We've made tremendous progress as a nation in overcoming racism. That is why it is so disturbing that a major candidate for the U.S. president can perpetuate the stereotype of Asians as permanent foreigners, hurtling us backward to a time and a place where such racial epithets were an acceptable part of mainstream discourse.

What makes this incident even more disturbing is how neither the media nor the other presidential candidates have highlighted that his use of a racist term is unacceptable.

Asian Americans are one of the fastest growing minority populations in the United States. And the media's choice to ignore or excuse McCain's behavior is a painful reminder that Asians remain outsiders on the back steps of national American politics.

McCain's main campaign message is inclusion. What his actions have told me, however, is that his inclusion does not include people who look like me.

I love this country just as much as McCain does, and I am committed to serving my community and my country. That is the reason I have entered a career in public service and why I am committed to making America a great country where equal opportunity and justice for everyone is a reality and not just a vision.

This is also why I am so hurt by McCain's comment: He has reminded me that despite my commitment to serving my country, there are still some people in this country who would first perceive me as the enemy.

Jared,
It's not "funny" at all. While what McCain said was wrong, it's a far cry from a 20 year publishing record. Nice try, thought.

Why don't the MSM beat up on Obama for his long time association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Oh yeah! Obama is the MSM's darling and it's not PC to be racist about Caucasions. What a friggin joke! The Collectivist mindset is the heart of racism!

Why don't the MSM beat up on Obama for his long time association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Oh yeah! Obama is the MSM's darling and it's only PC attach racism to Caucasions. What a friggin joke! The Collectivist mindset is the heart of racism!

Why don't the MSM beat up on Obama for his long time association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Oh yeah! Obama is the MSM's darling and it's political correctness is only when racism is pointed among Caucasions. What a friggin joke! Everyone that yells racism is probably a racist! The Collectivist mindset is the heart of racism!

"A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty."

OH YEAH! WE ALL SURE PLAYED INTO THIS ONE!

This article was unclear. What specifically in the newsletters reflected the strategy of pandering to rednecks and racists? Did Ron Paul even KNOW about the strategy? Why are you holding Ron Paul accountable for these random quotes of his associates...and interpreting the quotes in the worst possible light? To say, "Look you have a choice between Buchanan and Duke" just means, in my interpretation, "You'll have to pick Buchanan because the other guy's unacceptable."

This is shoddy evidence of RON PAUL being a racist.

I still love how the Paulbots actually think they are helping out their guy when they come on and do their bit. They act like by saying he will get rid of the DOE must be positive and that only his version of the end result is the possible one. Yet, I can look at the educational disparity across states now and look at the problems for minorities in individual, mostly Southern, states and see that if the DOE can do so little to ensure quality education for everyone, what happens when its already weak regulating role is removed? I just don't see how things for minorities in Texas or Mississippi or Alabama get better when the federal government stops even glancing at what they are doing.

The same with the gold standard. It is easy to read Paul's simplistic take on the effects that would have on our economy, but you can read people on both sides of the political spectrum who say the move would be a disaster.

Like I said, I don't see why I have to engage in 'Dismissing Libertarianism 101' every time there is a Paul thread. Go educate yourself. The web is full of back and forth on the possible effects of libertarian economic policy. There are libraries full of history and economic analysis of pure laissez faire economics and the widest majority find them to be a path for inequality and harm for the majority.

Finally, Paulbots, please read all the other threads on this and other popular left-leaning sites. The number of opposition-Paul threads are outnumbered oppo-Romney, oppo-Huckabee, oppo-McCain and even oppo-Guiliani and Thompson threads. In fact there are more negative threads in the lefty blogosphere on our own candidates that there are negative threads on the Republican candidates! Paul gets the level of attention he deserves and you should be thankful anyone is even talking about him.

You want the truth about Ron Paul and not these at-the-minute debunkers, GO to www.theradioavenger.com It WILL lead you to the answers if you like truth, BUT if you rather live in a world where the United States Constitution is being trashed, just stay on the frequency you're on and then YOU will achieve zero.

You want the truth about Ron Paul and not these at-the-minute debunkers, GO to www.theradioavenger.com It WILL lead you to the answers if you like truth, BUT if you rather live in a world where the United States Constitution is being trashed, just stay on the frequency you're on and then YOU will achieve zero.

Background on David Rockefeller's private thinktank, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/cfr_stacks_deck_with_dem_gop_presidential_candidates.htm

and

Dick Cheney (ex-director of CFR) talks to David Rockefeller (short video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Democrat CFR member Candidates:
Barack Obama (also, Michelle Obama is on the Board of Directors in the Chicago branch of the CFR)
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR member Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Newt Gingrich
Mike Huckabee (not a CFR member, though he named Richard Haas, president of the CFR, as his adviser on foreign policy)

Are you running a month-long feature of this or what? Can't you find anything newsworthy to report that happened in this century?

And if racism bothers you so much, how about a story on what Barack Obama wrote in his own autobiography book "Dreams of My Father"(which was NOT ghostwritten 20 years ago, may I add):

AND I QUOTE:
Barack Obama: “That hate hadn't gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

Obama vowed to “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own" and said “certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.”

And during college:
“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

In addition, I'm sure you're well aware that Obama belongs to a Black-Only church, Trinity United Church of Christ, where whites, Mexicans, Asians, etc. are not welcome.

Who is the real racist here? Ron Paul -- a man who has embraced the teachings and ideals of Martin Luther King for decades and admired Rosa Parks (even going so far as meeting her) or Obama -- a deeply conflicted man who is ashamed of the white side of his family and belongs to a race dividing church?

You've been fired as a reporter for incompetence, laziness and unfair and unbalanced journalism. Now run along.

***yawn***

Way to feed me Ricky!! Even Socal is smart enough not to do that anymore.

Ummm, this post as opposed to other candidates is upwards of 300 posts. Are the others you mention, combined, equal that much. I not going to spoon feed you anymore on this fact.

You continue to point out flaws in your own arguments. You admit the US educational system is bad but we need to keep it the way it is because it could be worse,..if we follow the constitution? Next you will be telling us to make the constitution more like the bible like Huck?

The same DOE who pays teachers for more than 6 years after being found to have sexually assaulted our kids is good? They don't fire them, they just put them in a room with TV and magazines? Allows teachers unions to push states around and still pay these lousy teachers? You also continue to make racist conjecture about the South how they would be unable to govern themselves at the state level because they are "probably" racist? You are unreal? No facts, just conjecture. Really disgusting Ricky!

I've already given you three bills that Ron has authored that would give poor kids more choice. did you read them?

Under the voucher or tax credit system, the state education system would be forced to implement a sweeping set of reforms to their promotions structure, pay scales and curriculum in order to effectively compete against the private sector. This is good for students and parents, but bad for the teachers unions that keep wages artificially high and promote teachers based on seniority instead of performance. Perhaps not surprisingly, the education unions firmly oppose any notion of breaking up the government monopoly in education by providing choice and funding students instead of schools. The students and their families would even be able to use the money for upgrading their own public school if desired. So by your assumption Ricky, poor black kids and their families would be unable to make decisions for themselves without the good old Goverment up there in the North helping them out?????

While studies show that there is no academic advantage in the first year to a voucher user, some studies show significant advantage after three or four years. I can get links if you need them? Additionally, a recent GAO report shows that the societal aspect of vouchers is apparent and parents who stick through the process are genuinely happy with their choice.

Political spectrum and economy don't go together. Is this statement about the gold standard the best you can do? Please educate me on why would could not and should not have some sort commodity base for our currency. If you would like to see where we are headed in the next five years, look at Japan. I just love how Ben started up the helicoptor this week and started up the printing press. this economy is headed for a major down turn and much of that has to do with the fiat money system.
Here is Ron Paul letting Ben from the Fed have it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM

I'm interested in Ron Paul and his ideas, not Libertarianism.

You still have not provided any facts to back up your statements?

Seriously though, I appreciate your ideas and Matt's blog even though your acceptance of the status quo in this country is scary. These types of debates are what makes our country great.

JMAJ...all of you that claim "racism" just fall into another group. That's what racism is, a grouping of people into a class. Middle class/black/white/japanese/chinese et al.

The poor black/white/japanese/chinese et al.

The rich....white jewish/catholic/ et al

Truth is, less than 1% of the world rules and says what the rest of the 99% should believe.

We hold these truths.......Man was created by God, Whoever that may be, but only God has the right to judge men by what they do. Ron Paul wants to get back to the reason why this country was founded. Release of all that binds men to tyrants. Just sit back and think about the world around you, the wrong there is in it, and see who is the culprit.

I enjoyed this comment:

"I could care less if Paul is a racist, I'll never vote for him, but what is interesting is why his platform attracts racists."

I hope all of those military donors aren't racist! So I hope you Paul haters aren't clumping all supporters together.

I bet that racists are attracted to Dr. Paul because they believe that he is there best hope to repent for their racism and become normal functioning members of society. Well...maybe that is or is not true but that analysis is analogous to the above article.

By the way guys, check out Ron's website, was there a mini money bomb today? That's awesome.

Keep up the good work guys. I think as Paul's popularity increases, more of these allegations will come out, but Paul's supporters will be more resilient and all of the evidence to back up Paul will be well in place.

Peace Out!

This article, and the Reason article, is based on fairly well known excerpts from various newsletters that carried Ron Paul's name. What is missing from the analysis of the excerpts is the context of the words. After looking up and reading some of the offending articles I concluded that the context often made the phrases innocuous or even anti-racist.
This smear campaign is based on lies and deceit. Atlantic.com ought to vette it's articles better than this. There is no need to rehash hearsay and distortions. I can get that from a thousand other sources.


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