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Why I'm a Mitt Man

15 Jan 2008 08:33 am

Mark Kleiman's with me that Mitt Romney would make the least-bad president of anyone in the field. Kevin Drum sort of agrees with us but got disturbed after talking to Hugh Hewitt: "Hugh is a smart guy and a consummate Republican Party apparatchik, and he supports Romney. I don't remember all the specific details of why he prefers Romney, but just in general he obviously thinks that Romney is the most reliably conservative candidate in the GOP field."

A couple of general observations here before delving into the case for Romney (relative, of course, to the GOP alternatives). One would be that "most conservative" is not the same as "worst" unless you just define conservative to mean "bad stuff." George W. Bush has, after all, actually departed from conservative tradition in a number of ways, they've just mostly been bad ways that involve him being corrupt and/or crazy (for example "By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well - a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world") rather than Bush being moderate. Another observation is that one thing a smart Republican apparatchik would want in a GOP president would be for that president to do a decent job and undue some of the damage Bush has done to the brand.

The affirmative case for Romney as the least-bad Republican involves stealing an insight from my colleague Josh Green: The constant throughout Romney's career is a cautious, paint-by-numbers approach. He's running as a conservative right now, and that means that if he wins he'll govern as a conservative -- no use hoping for him to morph back into the moderate he was in 1994 or 2002. But that said, it seems very unlikely that he'd roll the dice on some hair-brained scheme if elected. He might do major harm, but I think it's relatively unlikely.

Compare this to, say, John McCain. He's flighty as hell. For years, he's an orthodox conservative. Then he's an orthodox conservative who also supports this one ill-conceived campaign finance restriction. Then he's running for president. Now suddenly Pat Roberston and Jerry Falwell are forces of evil. Then Bush beats him with some sleazy campaign stunts. Now he wants to regulate carbon emissions! And import drugs from Canada! Bush sucks, he's evil and corrupt and incompetent and wrecking the country and oh he's up for re-election well of course I'll strongly support him etc., etc,. etc. Then the establishment warms up to him so he warms up to the establishment. So now he supports the Bush tax cuts and the Bush plan for Iraq and the Bush immigration plan. Oh wait voters don't like the Bush immigration plan? Well then I've learned my lesson and I was never for amnesty and by the way I'm now against carbon curbs. But you know what's great? The surge. And Joe Lieberman in his crazy uncle phase. And David Petraeus. Petraeus is so great that I think civilian control of the military is obsolete and I won't say whether or not I think tax cuts increase revenue but let's cut spending a lot, eh?

In other words, on eighty percent of issues McCain seems to me to be making it up as he goes along. At his best, he's cravenly flip-flopping according to the political headwinds. But other times, he just seems to be acting on whim or out of pique. Or he's coming to middle-ground positions that don't make sense, like "global warming is real and we should stop it, but only through measures that wouldn't actually stop it!" The rest of the time, he's just really, really, really committed to the military and to militarism. Worst of all, like all the other candidates for president, his personal level of experience with foreign policy issues is minimal, but unlike the other candidates he doesn't seem to realize this believing instead that his enthusiasm about the military and for soldiers and soldiering constitutes a close substitute for having real ideas about international relations. With McCain, it's possible that the chips will just all fall in the right place and he'll stumble upon some workable Teddy Roosevelt synthesis but we're just as likely to end up conscripting teenagers to build nuclear plants or bombing Iran or convincing ourselves that ranting and raving about the evils of earmarks is an adequate replacement for a grasp of fiscal policy.

About Giuliani, enough has already been said. Mike Huckabee is fun to talk about, but he kind of reminds me of Greg Stillson from The Dead Zone. We really don't want him in office. So that leaves Romney. Or, obviously, a Democrat.

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I think that's about the best summary of John McCain I've ever read.

I don't know, Matt. I get a little scared at the prospect of a President who's willing to take positions like "double Guantanamo." I'm more inclined to think Thompson is the least bad Republican because it's clear Fred doesn't have the energy or interest to do anything truly disastrous let alone campaign hard.

Yeah, you seem to be ignoring Fred Thompson here.

Nice job. Time to throw down with your colleague Sullivan about his policy-free worship of the authoritarian McCain. Seize the moment -- I know you can do it, I have faith.


Go Willard! You can and should win the nomination (though not before spending millions attacking other Republicans).

"Mitt Romney would make the least-bad president of anyone in the field."

Personally, I prefer any of the leading Democrats.

Let me get this straight. You're critcizing McCain for flip-flopping to show how he compares unfavorably to--Mitt Romney??!

But I do agree that Romney is the least bad choice, just because he's shown some technocratic talent. You have to be smart and detail-oriented to make $200 million doing corporate restructuring. It's a very competitive business. And since the United States now is quite similar to a company on the verge of insolvency....

Not to overestimate Hewitt, but it's possible that he and other GOP Romney backers have all but conceded the 2008 election and are trying to position themselves for 2010 and 2012. From that angle, of all the Republican candidates Romney is the least likely to say or do anything to disturb the future delusion that "had Romney won, the country would have handled Iraq/the recession/global warming much better." As you illustrated, McCain (and Huckabee and Guiliani) are much more prone to (unpredictable) walks off the reservation. A failed 2008 Romney candidacy would easily accept all your projections for the next four years.

"A couple of general observations here before delving into the case for Romney (relative, of course, to the GOP alternatives)."

Ah, there you go. Good for you - you like Mitt, but you're not blind to his disadvantages relative to the Democrats.

Romney is the ultimate panderer. Yes, he will try to please the most people he possibly can, which will usually lead to moderate, centrist positions. However, to get elected he's making promises to small interest groups, with no regard for the welfare of the country as a whole. "Hmmm. Today, I need to win Michigan. OK, I promise to DECREASE fuel efficiency rating requirements!"

He's the perfect candidate for an enormous expansion of pork and special interest politics. Most of that stuff flies under the radar of voters, so he'll have no incentive to stay moderate there. If you think corporate America needs more help, he's your guy. If you're concerned about government spending and loose regulation of targeted interests, not so much.

"Let me get this straight. You're critcizing McCain for flip-flopping to show how he compares unfavorably to--Mitt Romney??!"

I don't think Matt is emphasizing the flip-floppiness so much as the unpredictability. Willard, like a good bourgeous bean-counter, is predictable and not liable to take us on "heroic" adventures in Iran or Pakistan. In the end, he is likely to listen to (relatively) responsible-ish economists, responsible-ish foreign policy people, etc. because of his practical bean-counter ways. I do agree that his promises to interest groups and dependence on conservatives will prove harmful, but nobody is saying to vote for him over a Democrat, just the other Rethugs.

Just to be clear: Mitt's pandering and conversion to Pro-life issues etc. was predictable, he just is terrible at doing it convincingly.

It's kind of futile to worry over who's the best Republican candidate. In point of fact, most Democrats and most Republicans would agree that the only good Republican candidate is 'None of the above'.

> Another observation is that one thing a
> smart Republican apparatchik would want in
> a GOP president would be for that president
> to do a decent job and undue some of the
> damage Bush has done to the brand.

Who controls the Republican Party? I have to think the Radical Right is very pleased with what they have accomplished via Bush/Cheney. Is there a "Republican Party" that is not controlled by the Radical Right? Why isn't it stepping in now to limit the damage then? What if the Republican Party _is_ the Radical Right, and their goal is to set themselves up to profit from an apocalyptic war for resources and control of society?

Cranky

I'll bet you'd like to undo an undue word in this post.

"Another observation is that one thing a smart Republican apparatchik would want in a GOP president would be for that president to do a decent job and undue some of the damage Bush has done to the brand."

Yes and no. It might help rehabilitate the competence and fiscal prudence aspects of the brand (I'm not endorsing these claims, just saying that Republicans have run on them), but it wouldn't help the "government is the problem" part of the brand, which is dominant these days. Republicans have been very keen to portray government as useless at everything, and Bush has done very well at conveying that message.

Well, it is clear MY detests McCain. However, there are some important aspects MY misses in his McCain summary. E.g. even with the brute GOP Senate majority he was one of the guys ready to talk and compromise with Democrats. He was the strongest opposing torture, albeit he finally folded. He has a more reasonable view to immigration reform and is no xenophobe. He was the only GOP guy of consequence to call out the Swift-boaters. Besides he is a war hero who suffered for years and refused to be sent back (in preference to his colleagues) even when offered the chance. I cannot but admire the man's service for our country. He is really hated by the conservative a**holes (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Bennett, et. all) even after his not-so-stellar attempts to suck up to them. But if they hate him so much, then can he really be that bad? Other than his ‘irrational exuberance’ for the Iraq war, I kinda like him compared to the other sorry bunch in the GOP Presidential pool. He’s not perfect by any stretch of imagination. But at least once in a while he attempts to see beyond his own self-interest.

Of course I would prefer any Dem (even Mrs. Clinton … shudder) to him.

Other than his ‘irrational exuberance’ for the Iraq war

Except his irrational exuberance extends to all wars.

surely he criteria should be:

a) who is most easily defeated in the general election, and

b) whose nomination would piss off the jackasses at the corner the most.

looking at it from this point of view, it would have to be ... huckabee!

logicat, you've got b right, not so sure about a. Populism sells in a "change" election, even (or maybe especially) when it comes with some old-time religion.

I think Matt seriously underestimates Mitt's ability to pander in office as well as on the trail. His call to lower CAFE standards and oppose Car and Trade on carbon should be taken as a serious warning of his fundamental irresponsibility.

A reasonable analysis. but you have to admit that "If Hugh Hewitt is for it, I'm against it" is a pretty reasonable approach to politics in general.

This bugged me at the the time and I didn't comment on it, but it's a bit of a stretch to say McCain has pronounced civilian control of the military to be obsolete. The passage cited in the link seems pretty boilerplate "we need to listen to the military" stuff we hear from a lot of candidates. Obviously, coming from McCain, this is different than a Democrat using the line to criticize Bush's obstinacy, but both sides try to argue that they are doing what the military leaders want them to do (even though there is a lot of disagreement amongst the generals), and it just happens to be what they wanted to do anyway. The unblinking Petraeus worship bothers me, but it's obviously related to the fact that Petraeus is doing what McCain wants to do. If he stopped doing that, McCain would have no problem taking his preferred course anyway, despite being a civilian leader (although I'm sure he'd find another general who agreed with him so he could still say he was doing what the military wanted). If anything, I'd be more comfortable if I knew McCain would follow the generals and ignore his own terrible ideas; that way, we might be out of Iraq in less than 100 years. Overall though, I agree that Romney would be the less bad choice.

"hair-brained"--not sure if that's a play on words (given that it's used to describe Romney) or just a typo for "harebrained," but I like it!

Matt, is it not that what you're actually saying is that both Mitt, and McCain, are making things up as they go along? Mitt was a technocrat and a moderate when he was the Governor of MA, now he's not, and he's running as a conservative. McCain was a conservative, until some other things came up, when he too started flip-flopping around. The main difference between them is that they flip-flopped on different issues and McCain manages to look "straight-talking" as he flip-flops while Romney? Romney just looks craven and sad.

Your preference for Romney comes, I think, because you're fairly sure Romney won't be hawkish as McCain will be. But I'm not yet sure McCain is hawkish on "principle" -- he's not had an executive role yet. Can't it be that if, and when he becomes President, he may find that it doesn't pay to be too hawkish, and that he actually has to be accountable for his actions, which may then lead him to flip-flop and become more moderate, like Romney?

Romney's strength seems to be that he has experience as an executive and his tenure was technocratic and he is a by-the-numbers guy. McCain has no executive experience (correct me if I'm wrong), he too goes by-the-numbers but his flip-flops have been on radically different issues. They're both the same, kind of.

The common theme of all of Matt's posts on republican candidates is to bash whoever is currently ahead in the polls. Notice you haven't seen much Giuliani or even Huckabee bashing lately.

I guess this is all an example of inocculation against the probability of contracting a fatal or permanently disabling illness. I too recognize that there’s a real chance that we’ll end up, after all we’ve been through for the past 7 (well, OK, 27) years, with yet another Repugnicant president. Forgive me for preferring to postpone indigestion, insomnia & a well-rounded sense of gloom & doom until such a putrid possibility becomes a reality. Excuse me now while I burrow deep into the earth in search of the light...

George W. Bush has, after all, actually departed from conservative tradition in a number of ways, they've just mostly been bad ways that involve him being corrupt and/or crazy

It's good to see that a progressive finally notices this. It's always bothered me when Bush has been defined as too conservative. His foreign policy strategy can be correctly described as Neo-Wilsonian or Trotskyist, and things like Medicaire Part D and NCLB are anathmatic to conservatism, no matter how you define the term.

The flip-flopping accusations against Romney and McCain are a little overstated.

The salient characteristics of McCain are his self-righteousness and his authoritarian streak. Contrary to Matt's claim, McCain hasn't backed away from his pro-amnesty position on illegals -- he has just retreated under the cover of semantics. McCain doesn't care enough about what anyone thinks -- least of all voters -- to influence his thoughts sufficiently.

Romney has flip-flopped on social issues to pander to the religious right, but that doesn't mean he'll be similarly inconsistent on everything. The one constant in his career has been that Romney is a brilliant leader and turn-around artist with a Midas touch. That hasn't changed, and he wouldn't suddenly lose that competence to placate any constituency. He'd hit the ground running as the most competent chief executive of any candidate in the field, of either party.

Now, let me help show YAWMYIW*

McCain has "learned his lesson" regarding immigration by stressing BorderSecurity first. It isn't that difficult to find quotes from him along those lines, he's said it so many times.

And, he's never been "for amnesty" in the same way that no one else who pushes amnesty is for amnesty. It just depends on how you define "amnesty". If MattY would like to discuss these issues in even just a slightly authoritative fashion, he can look up the tortured way people like Bush have defined that word, and he can look into how the non-amnesty would be perceived. As a bonus, he can look into how the MSM has helped McCain lie about this issue. (Search for his name at my site for some examples.)

* YAWMYIW = "Yet Another Way MattY Is Wrong"

Mitt is the worst on immigration and GLOBAL WARMING. By far. He would advocate horrible immigration policy, although the Dems could block much of it, and veto anything the Dems passed on global warming.

Huckabee and McCain have said things suggesting they will be better on both of those fronts.

Look at it in terms of GOP interest groups.

Romney will be beholden to every interest group in the GOP, meaning that he will feel that he has to satisfy all parts of their base in order to get re-elected.

Huckabee will only have to satisfy the religious right, meaning more right-wing judges, but all of the candidates will do that. He's not beholden to the money-cons or neo-cons (hence his suggestions of moderation on economic issues, other than the dumb and zero chance of happening FairTax, and criticism of Bush admin for its "arrogant bunker mentality").

McCain is authoritarian and pro-military, and will go along with the neo-cons, but he's not as beholden to the money-cons or some of the other parts of the base either, like the anti-regulation anti-campaign finance crowd and the religious right.

Matt, I suggest you have everything topsy turvy because you don't input into your decision the malignant evilness of Romney who sat as governor of Massachusetts and could not find one person deserving of a pardon during his four year term for the sole reason that he was planning this presidential run. In other words, he cared less about giving a helping hand to people whose requests had been approved by a very strict parole board than his own personal desires. A man who cares little about unfortunates and allows them to be continually stigmatized for no reason other than to gain some perceived advantage in a future political campaign is not some one we want as our nation's leader.

After all, you gotta have a heart, even a tiny one, to lead a democracy.

I could go on and on about why Romney is to be feared as President but the truth is, and this is how sad the state of partisanship has become, is that if Hewitt is for him as strongly as he is, that is all you need to fear. Romney is the cadidate of the conservative establishment. They love him precisely because they expect him to carry the mantle that Bush will pass. Incompetence? They don't see that in Bush so they don't expect him to clean it up. Heck the guy won re-election in '04 and it was pretty obvious how incompetent he was and it wasn't because Kerry was THAT awful.

He won re-election by appealing to the establishment. Win them and you win. Hewitt et al have staked what is left of their credibility on Romney being the man. Enough so that they have lost any opportunity to credibly support McCain or Huckabee in the general. The venom they have sent their way is to place them to the left of Russ Feingold. They want Romney because they want forever power and they know with him, he owes them, and will govern to them, not the majority. Romney extends the Bush legacy. Why do they hate McCain? Because he occasionally goes against the talking points. He would as Prez also I'm confident in saying and I wouldn'tvote for him. Want more Bush? Romney's the man. And if he wins the primary he will get elected. Tall, white, rich, talks about restricting government, privatize everything, etc-middle America eats it up regardless of his religion.

If you're looking for a viable candidate with real, principled, statesman-like integrity, look where the big money comes from, then vote the other way.

Ron Paul has had over 100,000 individual donations, and has shattered many Republican fund-raising records, winning the "fourth-quarter money race" by a long shot; he has gotten by far the most donations from active-duty members of the U.S. Military, because he would bring them home, to defend our sovereignty.

His impressive record as a 10-time U.S. Congressman is impeccable: Dr. Paul has served on the House Banking Committee, and currently serves on the the House Committee on Financial Services, and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. He is by far one of the most principled, conservative legislators we've ever had:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

He has published crystal-clear positions, not sound bites, on the role of government in education, health care, immigration and border security, the environment, church/state issues, and much more.

Ron Paul's support is "self-organizing" which explains why so many "fringe" type groups are supporting him; they believe in what he represents, even if that support is not reciprocated. Many of these people, who feel alienated by the current political system and therefore don't usually vote or never have, characterize Paul's candidacy not so much as a campaign, but a "revolution".

more at ronpaul2008.com

The Martin Sheen Stillson or the Sean Patrick Flanery Stillson (or the book Stillson?)

Sean Patrick Flanery's Stillson reminds me of John Edwards.


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