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Class and the Democrats

09 Feb 2008 01:35 pm

Brian Beutler points to one problem with David Brooks' column on Obama versus Clinton as consumer items. Brooks writes:

Why do you bother me with simple problems? Listen, the essential competition in many consumer sectors is between commodity providers and experience providers, the companies that just deliver product and the companies that deliver a sensation, too. There’s Safeway, and then there is Whole Foods. There’s the PC, and then there’s the Mac. There are Holiday Inns, and there are W Hotels. There’s Walgreens, and there’s The Body Shop.

Hillary Clinton is a classic commodity provider. She caters to the less-educated, less-pretentious consumer.

As Brian says, this would just imply straightforwardly that Obama will lose. And, indeed, that was the point of the original Ron Brownstein "wine track" / "beer track" analysis. But at the moment, more people have voted for Obama and Obama has more pledged delegates. Meanwhile, in the real world relatively few people use Macs and shop at Whole Foods. So Obama's appeal is a good deal wider than this, extending to, for example, working class African-Americans, people in sparsely populated plains states, and younger people from all kinds of backgrounds. But there is an important class dynamic to the Democratic race, and Brooks does a good job of spelling out the broader diverge than the split over which candidate to pick reflects:

The consumer marketplace has been bifurcating for years! It’s happening because the educated and uneducated lead different sorts of lives. Educated people are not only growing richer than less-educated people, but their lifestyles are diverging as well. A generation ago, educated families and less-educated families looked the same, but now high school graduates divorce at twice the rate of college graduates. High school grads are much more likely to have kids out of wedlock. High school grads are much more likely to be obese. They’re much more likely to smoke and to die younger.

Their attitudes are different. High school grads are much less optimistic than college grads. They express less social trust. They feel less safe in public. They report having fewer friends and lower aspirations. The less educated speak the dialect of struggle; the more educated, the dialect of self-fulfillment.

It's definitely true that this struggle-versus-fulfillment dichotomy plays out in the difference between the candidates' rhetoric. But what's fascinating given their rather different bases of support is that this really doesn't wind up leading to any major policy disagreements. Given the different educational status of their electoral bases, you might expect Clinton and Obama to have major policy differences over climate change, trade, and immigration but in fact their differences on these topics are small and oftentimes seem trumped up. You see something similar on the GOP side where Mike Huckabee often talks as if his policy agenda is more favorable to the interests of his more downscale constituency, but there's actually very little evidence that it is. And yet, as Brooks points out the divergence in living conditions between college graduates and people who don't go to college is very much a real thing with concrete, tactile effects in the real world. One way or another, the political system ought to be responding to that divergence and not just reflecting it.

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Once again, 35.6% of the non-black vote...

Brooks' article was extremely ridiculous. Even if there is an education gap between Hillary's and Obama's supporters the analogy is crazy. In the real world, the brands that have the kind of cache or quality that get people excited (Whole Foods, Apple, etc.) cost more. You pay a premium for cache. That's where the analogy completely breaks down. It doesn't cost more to vote for Obama than Clinton.

If it cost the same amount to stay at the W Hotel as it did to stay at the Holiday Inn, where do you think most people would go? You think people want to stay at the Holiday Inn because it's a bifurcated market or because it doesn't cost as much? Does Brooks really think poor people would stay at the Holiday Inn because they'd be "more comfortable?"

But hey, let them eat cake!

Well, to be a successful candidate in US politics, you need to be educated or much better super-educated. And so there's considerable gatekeeping in the system so that even when educated elites lean one way or another in party caucuses and general elections, there's very little room for politicians to be successful from very modest education backgrounds (like John Prescott or John Major in the UK).

In many ways the contemporary Democratic party in the US is like the UK Liberals pre-1914, where the potential of mass politics for political change on the behalf of the less well off is very largely contained by barriers to political participation to those who can't finance their own campaigns and who lack educational privileges early in life, as well as constitutional veto structures.

As with most of David Brooks's dime-store sociology, I imagine him writing this column on the toilet. The only columnists more consistently inane than him are Tom Friedman and Maureen Dowd.

Shoot. I know how to spell cachet. I think my brain must be on the lower end of the bifurcated market.

As with most of David Brooks's dime-store sociology, I imagine him writing this column on the toilet.

I imagine him excreting this column into the toilet.

The two candidates have strikingly different policy approaches, but that difference is invisible to the fulfillment half of the dichotomy because it does not impact the policies that concern them.

Hillary Clinton, contra both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, sees government taking an active role in the economy. Obama seems to prefer market based solutions to the problems of economic inequality, based on his plans and what his senior economic adviser says. The differences show up most clearly in their health care and stimulus plans.

Which is why, as the economy melts down, Sen. Clinton would be the strongest candidate to take on John McCain.

I think everyone is thinking too much. (Except maybe for Brooks who thinks too little and writes too much, but that is normal for him.)

Given the different educational status of their electoral bases, you might expect Clinton and Obama to have major policy differences over climate change, trade, and immigration but in fact their differences on these topics are small and oftentimes seem trumped up.

What's "trumped up" here is the significance and degree of the "different educational bases" of the two candidates. There are well-educated and less-educated Republicans, too, and they pick from among candidates with nary a meaningful policy difference. It boils down to personalities and identity politics, as always. Winning the presidency is more popularity contest than debate contest.

Do the trends involving education really indicate that there's a growing bifurcation? Maybe it just indicates that there was an underlying bifurcation, and with the growth of higher education (as a percentage of the population who have college degrees), that pre-existing bifurcation has come to match the educational status of the individuals involved?

After all, the sorts of character traits which lead one to have lower aspirations seem to have some causal connection to y'know..not pursuing those aspirations you don't have by getting higher education.

Look the real difference between Hillary and Obama has less to do between beer and wine drinking and between more well educated and less well educated than between past / future. Clinton's appeal is " Let's go back to the 90s" which works for those who see the 90s as a better time.
Obama's message is " Lets turn the page' and look forward-more of a high risk, high reward approach.
All this correlates partly with the less education/more education analysis, but it's different.

"One way or another, the political system ought to be responding to that divergence and not just reflecting it."


There is no way in hell that the democratic party would significantly raise taxes for those who earn less than 300,000.

And even if you do believe that a more progressive tax scheme might help, most evidence says it won't.

In "Peddling Prosperity", even Paul Krugman believes that the inequality which began in the Reagan Administration had very little to do with the tax cuts to the rich.

It's just the world we live in right now. nothing will change it.

"But at the moment, more people have voted for Obama and Obama has more pledged delegates."

You keep saying that as if it contradicts the fact that Hillary is more popular. It doesn't.

Obama has more pledged delegates because some of the primaries were held in Whole Food stores when the Safeway shoppers were working--that is, the caucuses.

If you take out the caucus states, Hillary has more voters. Since we won't be caucusing for President, that doesn't speak well for Obama.

But you keep saying this as if you really don't understand that a direct primary vote would have very likely revealed different results. And then in other posts, you'll say "Obama does well in caucuses", so clearly you do grasp this.

Just keep gulping that Koolaid.

The most interesting of Brooks' observations is that high-school graduates have "less social trust."

Of course they do. Ever since the Reagan Revolution America has been one large experiment in social darwinism, and that game is fixed. Many businesses simply refuse to hire non-college graduates, period. Can't even get into the mailroom without a college degree. I know of one that won't even hire high-school grads for its "environmental" (housekeeping and gardening) departments.

Why should those who are getting arbitrarily cut out of American life feel any "trust" in society?

Don't bother listening to RKU, Cal, or Sulla. They're idiots probably working for the Clinton campaign making a faulty analysis (extrapolating Democratic primary results, sans caucuses, onto the general electorate) and attempting to inject the fear of white racism into the primary campaign (despite the fact that the polling shows that Americans are more hesitant to vote for a woman than a black: 88% would vote for a woman, 94% would vote for an African-American (Gallup)).

CNN Poll:

Clinton v. McCain: 50-47%

Obama v. McCain: 52-44%

Time Poll:

Clinton v. McCain: 46-46%

Obama v. McCain: 48-41%

Negatives (Gallup):

McCain: 32%

Clinton: 48%

Obama: 32%

Men (CNN):

McCain v. Clinton: 57-39%

McCain v. Obama: 49-46%

Whites (CNN):

McCain v. Clinton: 56-41%

McCain v. Obama: 52-43%

Proof #356,879 that "class war" is only okay if you're a Republican. Imagine, David Brooks, class warrior, only wants to make the scales fall from the eyes of the Denny's and Motel 6 crowd, suggesting that voting for Obama is false consciousness and objectively pro...um, something!

David Brooks' "sociology" is one long exercise in attempting to marginalize educated liberals. I've never understood why educated liberals want to participate in this. The non-machine candidate ALWAYS starts out appealing most to the young & educated. Obama has reached out further past those groups than any primary challenger I can remember.

I have to laugh at the notion that Hillary Clinton is the candidate of Safeway, and Obama is the candidate of Whole Foods.

But if we're going shopping, consider this: It's easier to convince young shoppers to try new brands than it is to convince old shoppers, and more affluent shoppers often establish the trends that less affluent shoppers follow later.

It would appear that Obama supporters are what marketers call "early adopters," while Clinton supporters are average consumers. Unless the early adopters find problems with their shiny new toy, soon everyone will want one just like it, and that's the big problem for Clinton if this drags to the convention.

What of that 35-45% of the population that doesn't vote at all? What is their preference? And doesn't that segment of the population overwhelmingly come from the bottom two quintiles of the income distribution?

Isn't Brooks just the poor-man's Bourdieu?

I think some people read a bit too much into the fact that white Democrats have a slight preference for the white Democrat. Significant enough numbers of white Democrats are voting for Obama to indicate that it's likely most of those who are siding with Clinton will probably be just fine with Obama as well.

In campaigns where Race is a defining issue, the Black Candidate is lucky to recieve 15% of the white vote and has to rely on a truly overwhelming black electorate. That hasn't happened, and it indicates that most white Democrats will probably still vote for the black Democrat over the white Republican.

The issue of class in this campaign is quite interesting. Clinton is very conservative, while Obama is a centrist. Based on class interests, Obama would be the natural choice of working class people.

But, working class people are often working 2-3 jobs and just don't have the time and energy left to follow current events. Clinton has more name recognition than Obama, so she is leading in that demographic.

Everyone wants a big screen TV, whether they buy one or not. Products are chiefly decided by a consumer's pocketbook, more so than by their tastes.

The proper analogy is not to compare product segments, but to compare specific products in the same category.

I would use cars. Obama is a Cadillac, while Hillary is a Chevy. Both well made, but one is more expensive of a choice, where in this analogy price is your risk and change tolerance.

Obama is huge change in how he looks, how he talks, and how he thinks. Hillary is the safe choice.

This is why time and being elevated by Edwards' withdrawal to Hillary's level is so important for Obama. The longer it is just him and her, people who wrote him off earlier, now are forced to take another look at him, and others who need more of a comfortable level are able to overcome their fears.

http://www.politicalinaction.com

Hey, I'm an Obama supporter, but even I recognize the class dichotomy in his support. I don't understand it, the same way I understand people who don't want Macs or people who don't shop at Whole Foods, but the data suggests the disparity exists.

Is it possible that the reason Obama outperforms what you'd expect from this demographic is because these people tend to vote in much larger numbers than "beer dems" do? I can't speak for the population at large, but certainly among the 18-30 set, it seems like the indie rock crowd is much more politically active than the Britney Spears crowd (or is that not a good parallel for younger voters' class split?).

@NB:

The W Hotel/Holiday Inn example is not a good one.

W Hotel is sold as a lifestyle brand, and if you are not in the target demography, even if you can afford it, they make sure you won't want to stay there.

Not everybody who can afford it want to deal young, hip, more interest with each other staff. Small room, dark deco, dark lighting, strange config, and have to fight through club crown just to go back to your hotel room.

If I am with my family, and it cost the same, I would rather stay at Four point/Hilton Garden Inn/ Homewood Suite/etc.

If St. Regis cost on the same as Holiday Inn, then it would be different for me.

I have to laugh at the notion that Hillary Clinton is the candidate of Safeway, and Obama is the candidate of Whole Foods.

I think it's more useful to think of Hillary as the candidate of white meat turkey sandwiches on white bread with plenty of mayo, washed down with a nice glass of white wine. Obama's more like a big helping of blackened catfish and eggplant Parmesan, chased with a shot of Johnny Walker Black.

If you know what I mean.

Hey, The class divide within the Democrats is very old and historic. Now is not the time to be confused about whether it even exists. Democrats are now four tribes -- the African Americans, the Intelligentsia , the Latinos and the white working class. Naturally, the intelligentsia are the most active, and so tend to dominate in primaries and earlier in the process. But they cannot win elections on their own. Obama has two tribes and Clinton has two tribes.

You have to realize that white working class voters do NOT assume that African American political leaders care about them. You have to realize that white working class voters do NOT assume that liberal intellectuals care about them. Get it ! Advocating a policy that is supposedly good for workers does not especially communicate that you care about them. Candidates have to make an effort to communicate their care.


Did anyone believe that John Kerry actually cared about them? Did anyone actually believe that Al Gore cared about workers?

The base of support for the Clintons is that they have communicated their care over and over again. When you say that they are "low information" voters, you don't realize that they have gotten the information that they need to make a decision. And they are getting some important information about what you think about them, too.

I am concerned that Barack Obama has not effectively "felt their pain." and I worry about the Democratic Party if he does not.

Anyone familiar with where the Obamas live knows he can't help but be more familiar with the working class. Sure, his particular block is gorgeous, but he's still on the South Side of Chicago. There is no Whole Foods within a few miles - even farther to a Trader Joe's.

Though Hyde Park is more affluent, thanks to the presence of the University of Chicago, and Bronzeville has some gentrification, it's still the South Side. Within blocks of UoC, the neighborhood is, at best, middle class and overwhelmingly black. Most of it is working class - that is, if you're lucky enough to have a job. Even the small handful of neighborhoods with white residents are made up mostly of blue collar and municipal workers. I'd dare say it's far removed from Chappaqua.

All in all, I'd say that Obama is far more in tune with the needs of working class voters than Clinton. The problem is simply the power of her name. These voters are far less likely to come home from work and either get online and/or watch news programs to get information on the candidates. They're too busy feeding their kids and escaping with "American Idol."

The product/sensation dichotomy is false. I don't shop at Safeway because they don't have organic foods -- or, if some stores stock it, I don't trust Safeway that it's the real thing.

I shop Whole Foods because I trust them to have actual organic foods.

No sensation to it...just getting the right product. I doubt David Brooks does much grocery shopping, speaking of trust.

Speaking of Chicago and class etc, here's Obama's barber shop. Not very 'wine track'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO3g7olblIk

Anyone interested in the changing dynamics of experience between classes in post-industrial societies, and their poliical implications, should check out Ronald Inglehart and Christian Welzel's Modernization, Cultural Change, and Democracy: The Human Development Sequence. It's fairly dry, and can be simplistic at times, but one relevant bit of analysis refers to the growing emphasis on participation and anti-authoritarianism in the creative and, generally, upper classes, over and against the retained emphasis placed by working class voters on strong and bureaucratically efficient leadership.

What baffles me about this class divide is how Hillary Clinton managed to wrap up the working class.

I totally understand how Obama comes off as overeducated and upper-class -- "professorial" is one of the most frequently applied adjectives applied to him, and his obvious intellectual manner could certainly be a turn off to a lot of "beer dems."

What this DOESN'T explain is why Hillary has managed to wrap up this constituency. While Huckabee makes a lot of sense as a guy the lower class can identify with (he's humble, human and certainly no intellectual) Hillary has none of these traits. Is it just fond memories of Bill?

It's not mysterious at all to me why Obama has become a highbrow candidate (despite his community organizing, South-Side-of-Chicago background, he still sounds and talks like a guy who went to Harvard). What's mysterious is how Hillary has managed to lock up this group.

Doesn't it really mean that Obama's proposals and policies should really be far far far bigger, bolder, and more sweeping than they really are?

That's what i see--he talks "transformation" and against "the old way of doing things" but the actual meat of his stances is extraordinarily timid, and fully status quo.

Garuda, Whole Foods is far more expensive for everything than a regular supermarket is, and they're not everywhere--only in upscale communities and zipcodes. Farmer's markets are far more expensive too--and not realistic alternatives either, for the majority of Americans.

It's not about quality as much as it's about how to feed a family when you don't make a lot of money and already have to spend way too much on healthcare and mortgage or rent and other bills, etc. Quality is only a concern for those who have the more basic stuff taken care of already.

David Brooks as always (and someone else pointed this out) tried to put down wealthy liberals. As usual, he takes a statistical demographic detail, and immediately tried to throw in some anecdote or metaphore to explain the phenomenon, versus trying to explain the phenomenon for what it is:

Wealthy/Educated liberals are MUCH more likely to have an informed opinion on current events, especially in election cycles. The reason HRC has not so well up to this point is because she has benefited greatly from information asymmetry amongst white, less-educated Dems. These people (again, there are exceptions), are much more likely to be involved in politics in only the most cursory of ways. All they know is that the liked Bill Clinton, and liked Hillary Clinton. I take a look at the reasons I am an Obama supporter, and realize that likely, many less informed voters really do not even consider these when voting, such as:


• The impact an Obama Presidency would have in terms of our foreign policy as well as the potential for opening up opportunities for foreigners to revaluate the United States.


• The fact that Hillary cannot win the Presidency, period. That the key to the Presidency lies in the ability to win New Mexico, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada. A Hillary nomination would hand the Presidency to the Republicans since McCain is going to be nominee.

• The chance for Obama to really break down some of the Republican moderates and bring them into his camp on policies. I believe that it is much easier for Susan Collins type Senators and Congressmen/women Republicans to unite against Hillary proposals (even in the face of polls showing the Nation wants them) versus Obama. Obama’s oratory skills will help in many cases for him to make the case for policies to the point where political pressure on moderate Republicans will be too much for them to unite with the Inhofe’s of the world.

Now – do you think your average, working class “beer” democrat has really taken the time to think of these issues? I have a feeling they are much more influenced by the fact that they remember the 90’s were successful, and they want that back. They of course have not really thought about the 90’s much more than that of course, and therefore, have never considered the unique circumstances which allowed for that time period (emerging technology, low inflation, low energy and natural resource costs) all allowed real wages and wealth to increase across Western societies. Hillary of course will not have any of these going in her favor.


This, leads to my next assertion: that Hillary will be a 1 term President. She just does not have the charisma or the public presence to deal with a country that is facing difficult times.

But then again, given all of the problems this country faces, maybe it will be beneficial to let the Republicans stew in their own sewage for 4 years, ensuring a Democratic super-majority in 2012.

amberglow

When he talks about change is really about the approach to politics or leadership style. I think that this article illustrates this point.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_year_of_the_organizer

One thing I do like about him is that he has a better understanding how policies affect actual people. I see that in the way he approaches individual mandates. I hear people taliking about how young people are more likely to game the system and it also necessary to increase the pool and therefore they should be required to buy insurance. That argument sounds very convincing if you are taliking about some recent college grad. But when you imagine the young person living in the inner city who is already struggling to pay her bills, then you realize that mandates may not be a great idea.

Overall, I like Clinton and I hope that she wins the nomination. But lets not kid ourselves into thinking that being specific as to what you want to accomplish necessarily means that she will be effective in bringing them about.

"Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?" he asked. "I mean, they're charging a lot of money for this stuff."
Obama in Independence, Iowa on October 5, 2007

While Hyde Park's median income is about $45K, this is artificially low due to the large number of students. In the neighborhood the Obama's lived in 17% of the population had graduate degrees and another 13% had college degrees. (21% of all residents educational level was some college or below) Hyde Park was an affluent, well-educated neighborhood of professionals and college students that the NYTimes described as rarefied and a little bastion of academia.

Obama has been fairly removed from the working class in day to day life since he was a community organizer in the mid 1980's. His state senate seat was centered in Hyde Park. When Obama challenged Bobby Rush for the more economically downscale Congressional seat he was overwhelmingly rejected. According to the NYTimes he had plenty of support from college-educated, white, latte liberals but never found a way to connect with working-class black voters. Part of the problem according to one Obama supporter was, "Reform is not the most compelling issue to people who don’t have a job."

Obama isn't a typical wine track candidate because he has massive support in the African-American community but he is still running a wine track/process/high concept campaign. He hasn't thrown any red meat to the working class so far in the campaign because he hasn't had to. His campaign is inspirational/aspirational not transactional. I assume Team Obama will try to peel off some upper middle class white women and younger Latinos instead of changing up his campaign to appeal directly to working class whites.

More info on the Obama vs Rush race is below
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/000317/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/politics/09obama.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&fta=y

Re: Clinton is very conservative, while Obama is a centrist.

Huh? By American standards bot hare solid centrists, with some small variation on particular issues.

Re: The fact that Hillary cannot win the Presidency, period

I know too many people who will not vote for Obama, including some fanatical Bush haters who assert they will hold their nose and vote for McCain instead. No, not because of racism, but because they think the guy is an inexperienced phoney, or a puppet for his wife. I will vote for him because I would vote for Brittney Spears before I'd vote for a Republican but I se an Obama candidacy as a quick roaed to defeat.

One thing I do like about him is that he has a better understanding how policies affect actual people.
I don't see that at all--and I think the more pertinent point to being President in the first place is understanding how govt. actions help or hurt us, and how to use the govt to help instead of hurt.

With healthcare he entirely ignores the really important value of the "common good"--SS only works because we're all in it together, and we all recognize the value in not having our eldest starve (and they were before it, and we're gonna all be old someday too). A healthy populace is a common good, and cheaper too. Mandates with subsidies (or medicare for all--my choice) actually does "unite" us, instead of splitting us as it is now into those who are insured only because of their job, and those who have no insurance at all but can't get medicare, and those who can't get insurance because of pre-existing conditions, and so on. We all use healthcare, so all need healthcare-- even if we're young and healthy now and don't want to have it or can't afford it. Allowing some to opt out shrinks the pool, raises prices, and ignores the very real value and common good of having an overall healthier population. You shouldn't be able to opt out of things that are necessary and life-saving--you can't opt out of local taxes for police and firemen or for schools--even if you don't have kids yourself. They're all part of the common good.

Common good is important but fairness or equity must be taken into account. Social Security is a very good program but the way in which it is structured doesn't make it onerous for the person. Nevertheless, I have a problem with using SS as an analogy in that mandates are putting the burden on the individual to get insurance regardless of the quality. What good of a proagram if it hurts the very same people who need it the most. So are you going to tell me that someone living in the inner city is being selfish because she cannot afford healthcare. If you want to talk about common good then we should be talking about single payer.

So Tom in MA thinks the Clintons feel the pain of the downtrodden. This after "welfare reform," which, whatever it did to empower people infantilized by being on the dole, forgot to provide jobs with a future, affordable daycare or housing, and on and on. So life goes on, much as before--too much as before, while wankers like Mickey Kaus can feed like a vampire on the self-hating liberal masses among the bourgeoisie. Ain't life grand. Meanwhile Obama, a community organizer on Chicago's South Side, gets painted as a Starbucks/Whole Foods (read: limousine) liberal. What a joke.

"because they think the guy is an inexperienced phoney, or a puppet for his wife."

Obama is a "puppet for his wife"?

Compared to BILL CLINTON?

Jesus...

If Obama is still a community organizer then Clinton is still a legal advocate for children and a champion of equal access to justice for the poor.

Obama hasn't been a community orgainzer for 20 years, he shops at Whole Foods and he lives in a $1.65 million dollar 'Georgian mansion in Chicago's elite Kenwood neighborhood.' The man isn't poor.

I am all for Obama leaving the "wine track" and will be more than happy to direct him to John Edwards' website. His campaign made the choice not to appeal to the white Dem base thus they went to Clinton by default.

Brad, nice try. When the economy falls to pieces in, oh, about a month or two, the wonky Hillary is going to look pretty good--much better than someone who is only two years out of IL state legislature.

Okay, I think we can agree Brooks is inane (over on Ross's blog I suggested that next Brooks would write about the implications of the fact that Hillary's favorite Beatle was John while Barack's was Paul).

But the other thing is that he doesn't even understand his retail analogies that well. Sure, Whole Foods's customers skew wealthier than Safeway's. But take the Metro out to the Silver Spring stop sometime and the short walk to the Whole Foods in downtown Silver Spring. It ain't all rich white people from Takoma Park or Chevy Chase shopping there. It all depends on where you put the store.

Someone pointed out a while ago that some supermarkets have started selling upscale beers and downscale wines. Buying Two-Buck Chuck is still buying wine, but it is not upscale. It is a way to buy wine on a lower income. Conversely, the American beer market has grown more sophisticated with more imports, more microbrews, more decent quality American-brewed choices like Dogfish Head, Rogue, etc. cutting into the overall domestic market. Buying a fine beer at $10 a bottle can be a greater sign of refinement than a $4 bottle of wine (assuming that cost is equal to quality here). Neither candidate fits easily into this dichotomy. Seven years ago in Mass, most of the working-class Dems I knew couldn't stand Hillary Clinton. The only supporters of hers I could encounter were educated social liberals with connections to intellectual circles in prep school faculties, Boston and Cambridge. However, that doesn't mean Clinton was wine track then and all of a sudden is beer track now. It is a silly false dichotomy.

Actually Clinton has received more votes than Obama. This is true even if you exclude Florida and Michigan. It's about 51% - 49%. Seriously, go to CNN.com and sum them up yourself.

"Educated people are not only growing richer than less-educated people...Their attitudes are different."

Brooks pretends that class differences do not exist. The differences he is talking about here are mostly initial wealth differences - guess what, the wealthier your parents are, the more likely you are to be in college.

As usual, he get everything backwards.

If you want to talk about common good then we should be talking about single payer.

Of course, but that's not an option anymore in this race--now it's which candidate gets us closer to that? Conversely, which one refuses to get us closer at all and has attacked those elements of any plan that get us closer and revived the GOP Harry and Louise slime, hurting even his own case?

There's no reason for any universal or singlepayer plan to ever be onerous--civilized countries all over the world cover everyone without going broke. Just moving back towards a fairer tax rate (i.e., before Reagan and all the GOP tax cuts on the rich and corporations) would fully fund it. And what we all pay now really is onerous, and is why companies are cutting and restricting and dropping covering their employees. (also--last night, Obama actually promised more tax cuts in his speech, further reducing the money govt has to do things--insane.)

"Brooks pretends that class differences do not exist.

Or rather consistently tries to reduce them to brand-mediated cultural/consumption differences . Thomas Frank is rather good on this in What's the Matter with Kansas.

"But the other thing is that he doesn't even understand his retail analogies that well. "

Indeed. A few years back Sasha Issenberg checked out some his stuff for Philadelphia Magazine (most of which turned out to wrong), including driving out to Franklin County, PA, which Brooks had written about as an example of "Red America":

"The easiest way to spend over $20 on a meal in Franklin County [which Brooks claimed was simply impossible] is to visit the Mercersburg Inn, which boasts "turn-of-the-century elegance." I had a $50 prix-fixe dinner, with an entrée of veal medallions, served with a lump-crab and artichoke tower, wild-rice pilaf and a sage-caper-cream sauce. Afterward, I asked the inn's proprietors, Walt and Sandy Filkowski, if they had seen Brooks's article. They laughed. After it was published in the Atlantic, the nearby Mercersburg Academy boarding school invited Brooks as part of its speaker series. He spent the night at the inn. "For breakfast I made a goat-cheese-and-sun-dried-tomato tart," Sandy said. "He said he just wanted scrambled eggs.""
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"Why do you bother me with simple problems?"
Do I have to say it?

"the companies that just deliver product and the companies that deliver a sensation, too."

What he completely and embarrassingly misses here is that Safeway, PCs, Holiday Inns, and Walgreens all deliver - quite intentionally - specific sensations as well. He may simply not realize it, but more likely it's part of his authenticity shtick.

">>As with most of David Brooks's dime-store sociology, I imagine him writing this column on the toilet.
I imagine him excreting this column into the toilet.

I imagine - well, we don't have to go there.
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Obama-Edwards in '08!

The similarity between the programs of the top candidates show that the differences between "demands" of different groups of Democratic coalition are very small. Yes, people can shop in Whole Foods or in Pathmark, buy apparel in Walmart of Abercombie, but it does not translate into differences concerning what a president should do.

To some, differences in the record are very important, and they are more pronounced. However, it is hard to connect the specific differences of Obama and Clinton with differences between demands or expectations of, say, Latino voters versus "educated elite". Perhaps the consistent anti-war position is more important to educated voters.

OTOH, the big contrast with the previous election cycles, the divisions among GOP voters are much more pronounced that among the Democrats. Take immigration: Democrats are unified in gently evading the issue, while GOP is divided between solutions that would satisfy the employers and those that would satisfy the xenophobes.

The fact that Huckabee could win in Washington State indicates that McCain has a precarious position as a putative standard bearer of his party. Moreover, some reports tell that a larger part of evangelical voters is disenchanted with GOP than before. While to people like Dobson it is obvious that Christian policies include cuts in taxes, Medicare and Medicaid and indifference to global warming, this combo is totally artificial and it starts to fray.

Duh. Many people won't buy macs or groceries at Whole Foods because they can't afford it, but would like to.

I wonder how much more it costs to vote for Obama rather than Hillary?

But then again, given all of the problems this country faces, maybe it will be beneficial to let the Republicans stew in their own sewage for 4 years, ensuring a Democratic super-majority in 2012.

Brad, you're a man after my own heart. The Machiavellian side of me has thought this more times than I'd want to admit.

Two words stop me from wanting this scenario. They also stop me from indulging in this childish "I'll vote McCain if Clinton/Obama gets the nomination" garbage:

Supreme Court

Ponder three justices getting replaced by a GOP president. Then think again about whether you'll really vote for President John McCain.


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