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Clinton Campaign Manager: HRC is Extremely Conservative

11 Feb 2008 01:16 pm

Here's James Bennett, now Supreme Leader at The Atlantic, interviewing new Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams for The New York Times Magazine back in 1999:

''The biggest mistake of the American press is thinking they know her,'' says Maggie Williams, Clinton's former chief of staff and one of her closest friends. ''You know, people think she's such a big lib. I think she's extremely conservative. I think she has more in common with people in upstate New York than in New York City, in a lot of ways.'' Williams calls Clinton ''patriotic and practical. She thinks it's important to spend money on social programs, but she wants to know that they work.''

Maybe so. But until she stands on her own politically, none of us can know. Morris says Hillary Clinton recognized long before her husband the effectiveness of a campaign based on bite-size ''values'' issues like school uniforms. She supports the death penalty, as the President does. She supports abortion rights, as he does, but she has not made the issue a priority as First Lady. For all her heated warnings about children, she has been ginger in using her influence to tilt the balance of power in their favor.

Now, obviously, it's not true that Clinton is an "extremely conservative" politician. Equally obviously, she hasn't been an "extremely conservative" figure throughout her entire adult life. I'm not really sure why Williams thought it made sense to describe her boss in those terms. But in the broader context, this a welcome reminder that Hillary Clinton, progressive champion and scourge of bipartisanship, is a relatively recent identity. Not only where there the Arkansas years and the Years of Triangulation in the White House, but in the years 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005, Clinton's main political priority was trying to convince people that she was a moderate centrist and not the liberal in the closet of her husband's administration. Her April 2006 speech to the Economic Club of Chicago is all about her love of balanced budgets and working with Republicans on small-bore reforms. She talks about health care at great length, and the idea of an ambitious program for universal coverage never comes up.

Now I don't think one should begrudge Clinton the right to shift points of political emphasis over time. I recall back when I was a New Yorker not liking the fact that Clinton was going to be foisted on us as a Senator because it seemed to me to be a waste of a safe seat to give it to someone whose presidential ambitions were going to cause her to hew to a more moderate line than was locally necessary (and of course in retrospect those fears were borne out when in 2002 and 2003 Clinton chose to use her status as a party leader to help sell Democrats on the invasion of Iraq, rather than use her Senate perch to push back). But tailoring one's politics to suit the constituency is a common turn of events -- you see it, for example, with Obama and coal over the years. But it's a reminder that this whole idea of Clinton as the authentic true progressive is hogwash -- she's been challenged from the left in this primary, and so she's run to the left; at an earlier time her confidantes were telling people that she's "very conservative." Back in October 2007 when her campaign thought it had things all wrapped up, she was ready to play the Iran hawk as part of a shift to "general election mode" and who knows what she'd come up with in an actual general election.

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She's conservative, in the sense that every other word out of her mouth is a lie.

That's why Obama Wal Mart Board comment was so devastating. Here was Obama doing commmunity organizing in the 80s on Chicago's South Side, and he is supposed to be some sort of neo-Reaganite? Give me a breatk. Now, Hillary's defenders talk about how awesome she was on the board and made Wal Mart so inclusive and union friendly, or something, so whatever, but Obama's history is the history of a progressive. That is for sure. (Of course Matt is right too, that every politician makes some compromises and coal is one of them that Obama has made.)

(And just to be clear, while i support Obama, I will definitely support whoever the nominee is.)

I'm not really sure why Williams thought it made sense to describe her boss in those terms.

Huh? You don't? Um, because she was running for Senate in NY, and thus trying to attract voters in upstate New York (traditionally the area that Democrats have problems with in New York state), who are more conservative than voters in New York City? Which is why Williams syas right thereafter "I think she has more in common with people in upstate New York than in New York City"?

Or am I missing some irony or sarcasm or something in Matthews post...

You have apparently stopped trying.

I think Al is right about Williams's motivation. And along those same lines, we can assume that when Clinton and her people now tell us that she is "progressive" we can assume that is because she is trying to attract voters in a Democratic nominating campaign, where the voters are much more liberal than they will be in a general election. I know Al doesn't care about that himself, but some of the rest of us might.

I think she's extremely conservative. I think she has more in common with people in upstate New York than in New York City, in a lot of ways.

Doesn't this need to be calibrated against Maggie Williams?

Or am I missing some irony or sarcasm or something in Matthews post...

Nah, MY is being dense. The entire argument is pretty stupid anyway. After all, Clinton has basically voted as she ran in the New York election, and Obama's the same for Illinois. So if the same holds true for this election, she will change her policies in a Clinton Administration to be more liberal just like the public policy positions she's staking out right now. What's MY's problem with that? He then tries to pretend Clinton's policies would be different in the general election than in the primaries, but in his 1999 example doesn't he give an example of that. Pretty dense and stupid. Quoting static, he has apparently even stopped trying.

What Al and Dan K. said. None of this is surprising or controversial, if it may be inconvenient during a primary. One of the things that's always amused me about 'wingers getting all spittle-flecked about the "counter-culture McGovernick" Clintons is that they are, fundamentally, DLC Democrats.

Chelsea, the off limits child, was just shown on CNN speaking in front of a group about how much more conservative than Bill in so many ways.

First, do we not all understand that the message from the Clinton campaign is tailor fit to whomever she/they are speaking to? That would be unlike Obama who goes into black churchs and tells them to start parenting their children and knock off the homophobia...same message he would deliver to any gay group, parenting group, general public.

Second, how exactly is Chelsea off limits when she's doing full bore public campaigning for the family?

Actually, what Williams means is that HRC is like most Americans - fairly conservative in their personal lives and somewhat liberal 'policy-wise'. Just about all the dems are extremely conservative in their personal lives - more so than the Republicans, probably: family values; hard word; thrift; church, clean-living, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. In that sense HRC is probably no more conservative than Biden or Dodd or Edwards or Obama. We're never going to demonize conservatism in this country, because most people actually *are* conservative, in this sense - it's not a dirty word when used in a personal sense. It makes for a really boring politics, but there you go. What this kind of conservatism has to do with GOP policy is a completely other question.

Hey Dan, you couldn't be more wrong:

Clinton has basically voted as she ran in the New York election.

If you were from NY, you would know that her votes on Iran, the AUMF, and Kyl-Lieberman were not exactly supported by a majority of New Yorkers. In fact, you could even go as far as saying she defied the will of her constituents.

Me: Clinton has basically voted as she ran in the New York election.

Thee: If you were from NY, you would know that her votes on Iran, the AUMF, and Kyl-Lieberman were not exactly supported by a majority of New Yorkers.

Silly response. Did she say she would vote against those bills when she ran in the NY elections? She has always been hawkish and being a NY senator is one of the reasons because of certain influential Jewish organizations in NY. As for "a majority of New Yorkers" being against Kyl-Lieberman (or the others), do you actually have polls on that when those votes were actually taken?

In this vein, also remember her speech to (I believe) the chamber of commerce where she carped about how young people these days don't want to work and feel a sense of entitlement ... something early in the campaign, but was enough of a kick-the-base that Chelsea Clinton called her on it in public.

Hillary Clinton is very conservative compared to me! she is very hawkish as well, as her own advisers describe her (Holbrooke in particular). She spends her time thinking about censoring video games, banning flag burning in addition to her strong (but entirely traditionally Dem) support of women and children's issues. She voted to allow continued use of land mines and cluster bombs. That is some seriously conservative sh#t. I can't support that!

My guess is that you have it backwards. I think HRC probably really is fairly liberal/progressive, but tacked right to the center and sometimes beyond as political calculation given the political environment of the 90’s and early 00’s. Am I happy with such tacking and triangulating, flopping around by trying to read the political tea leaves - hell no! But as to HRCs underlying orientation, I’d say her natural tendencies are more liberal than not. Furthermore, is Obama any more less calculating – hell no again, maybe more so.
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I think if Hillary Clinton's "natural tendencies" are to be a "liberal", then I think we need to reconsider Goldberg's notion of "liberal fascists".

The reality is that Clinton, like Bush, doesn't give a shit about women, children, or anything else but power and money.

The rest is just political bullshit.

dirty whores!

The Clinton game plan is to be "all-things-to-all-people". Just keep repeating talking points to the less-than-critical thinkers and dice up your constituency so you may target what the lemmings are most likely to follow...

Nothing new or mysterious here, nothing genuine or substantive, just something that has worked for decades: Keep repeating the lies and eventually people will believe it is truth.

Remember Maggie Williams is Hillary's aide that violated a law enforcement seal on Vince Foster's office after Vince Foster died. She was seen carrying documents out of his office even though the office was sealed by law enforcement.

The Clintons aren't conservative or progressive. They're opportunists

Next thing you know she'll be a black latina.

Isn't it great no one really knows where she stands? If she's so conservative why doesn't she join the ranks of the Republicans. I'm so utterly disturbed by this pandering to the conservatives. And I am also sick of HRC lack of principles and integrity. A fine president she won't be indeed.

Sad to say, but although HRC is definitely a liberal, the dynamics of politics at the national level is becomming more and more blurred between the Democrats and Republicans, especially when it comes to promoting the agenda of the elite one world government socialists. The republicans still seem to be ahead in the family value category, but in the realm of government and economics, they too are selling the American people down the river. If we continue on the same path, and trust me, neither HRC, Obama, nor McCain are going to be able to do anything to right the sinking ship.

What you Libs don't get is that Liberalism is based on pure emotion and looks good on paper but doesn't work in real life. Most Dems who get into power realize this eventually and see the legacy it leaves in it's wake and do a 180 in most cases to avoid a bad legacy. Watch if Obama gets elected and the war does NOT end when you want it to. It wont be because Obama didn't seriously FEEL the need to end it, it will be because LOGICAL real world information on consequences if we pull out too early will be too much to risk for legacy reasons (like blood on his hands if a civil war or genocide ensues and Al Quaida triumphs by taking over Iraq and uses it as a safe haven and base of operations with eyes on future 9/11 scenerios). Same with economic issues: The current DEMOCRAT congress JUST THIS WEEK admitted that dollars in the pocket of tax payers SPURS the economy NOT money in the government coffers. So this proves the CONSERVATIVE notion that TAX BREAKS, INSINTIVES, and TAX CUTS work to the economy's BENEFIT not detrement.

What you Libs don't get is that Liberalism is based on pure emotion and looks good on paper but doesn't work in real life. Most Dems who get into power realize this eventually and see the legacy it leaves in it's wake and do a 180 in most cases to avoid a bad legacy. Watch if Obama gets elected and the war does NOT end when you want it to. It wont be because Obama didn't seriously FEEL the need to end it, it will be because LOGICAL real world information on consequences if we pull out too early will be too much to risk for legacy reasons (like blood on his hands if a civil war or genocide ensues and Al Quaida triumphs by taking over Iraq and uses it as a safe haven and base of operations with eyes on future 9/11 scenerios). Same with economic issues: The current DEMOCRAT congress JUST THIS WEEK admitted that dollars in the pocket of tax payers SPURS the economy NOT money in the government coffers. So this proves the CONSERVATIVE notion that TAX BREAKS, INSINTIVES, and TAX CUTS work to the economy's BENEFIT not detrement.

Yeah! Clinton is conservative like "garnishing your wages if you don't buy into a new HUGE federal program" is conservative. Maybe to "lets clean out Vince FOster's office" Maggie she is conservative. Nonsense.

To finish the last sentence, it will not be long before are freedoms are stolen, our pockets are emptied, and are ability to do anything about it will be gone, including the ability to revolt.

If Hillary is conservative than Maggie is left of a Communists!

Although this would explain Hillary serving on WalMart Board in the 1980's and 90's.

Once NAFTA and WTO was passed by her Husband President Bill Clinton, many IUSA Factories had to move to China, India and Mexico to meet WalMart Cost Limits, that only ended up costing American jobs.

Maggie will be a biggest mistake of the Clinton Campaign next to letting Bill speak his own mind.

If Hillary is conservative than Maggie is left of a Communists!

Although this would explain Hillary serving on WalMart Board in the 1980's and 90's.

Once NAFTA and WTO was passed by her Husband President Bill Clinton, many USA Factories had to move to China, India and Mexico to meet WalMart Cost Limits, that only ended up costing American jobs.

Maggie will be the biggest mistake of the Clinton Campaign next to letting Bill speak his own mind.

Maggie Williams is talking about Hillary's bent towards conservatism because she is a liar just like Hillary. Maggie is just as shameless as Hillary. Peas from the same pod!

Reviewing Hillary's methodical playing of the "Race card", and "The Perpetual Victim" against Obama; and, her recent commentary on Iraq; Pakistan; Energy Policy; the need for her to control the 14 Trillion $ American Economy from her White House Politburo (this from a woman who hasn't managed so much as a corner vegetable stand, or for that matter her own marriage; but, of course you could count Whitewater, and her tenure as "Madam" for Bill's White House Brothel); her Marxist statement in San Francisco: "We're going to have to take more from you, and give it to others for the common good."; Illegal Immigration; Taxes; Infanticide; Massive new Government spending; Multi million $ Senate earmarks for supporters of Hillary's Presidential campaign; Garnishing of your wages to fund her coveted Socialized medicine program; and, the Clinton's history of emasculating the military, verifies that this grievously flawed woman would be the female version of the Jimmy Carter debacle that gave us the Ayatollah Khomeini who ushered in rampant Islamic radicalism; block-long lines at our gasoline stations; a severely hollow military; and, a record Misery Index. Only much worse. Considering all of her recent gaffes, e.g. "I voted FOR IT (referring to the Bankruptcy Bill); but, I was glad to see that it didn't pass."; and, her increasingly frequent crying jags, one has to wonder if excessive use of Botox has affected her mental stability. It's no wonder that her campaign staff is shielding her from reporter and audience unscripted questions. The prospect of Madam Hillary as President; in a word: TERRIFYING. Greg Neubeck

Hillary is a conservative...she is a wolf in sheeps clothing...and here is why:

1. Her Dad was a right wing republican...Hillary was born a republican.

2. Hillary became a democrat only because she wanted to get married to Bill...that is she married into the democratic party.

3. Think about it how can an ambitious conservative white girl become a senator, and a president? she can't do that in the republican party...she can only persue her political ambitions in the democratic party.

4. Meggie Williams is right...personally HRC is very conservative...she has been using the democratic party for years...we are a bunch of suckers.

Hillary is a conservative...she is a wolf in sheeps clothing...and here is why:

1. Her Dad was a right wing republican...Hillary was born a republican.

2. Hillary became a democrat only because she wanted to get married to Bill...that is she married into the democratic party.

3. Think about it how can an ambitious conservative white girl become a senator, and a president? she can't do that in the republican party...she can only persue her political ambitions in the democratic party.

4. Meggie Williams is right...personally HRC is very conservative...she has been using the democratic party for years...we are a bunch of suckers.

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Just another example of the Clintonistas twisting the language around so that words don't have any meaning. Semantic subversion.

And what's all this bilge from the Rodham-Clinton campaign that Obama is the "Establishment Candidate."

What a load of rubbish!!! She'll say ANYTHING to muddy the truth!!

I sincerely pray that Obama can put a stop to this misanthropic and near-psychotic pseudo-Woman.

I don't believe a word out of a politicians mouth. Obama, Hillary, McCain. They would drown their own mothers to be president. You have to look at the facts. Their voting records. At a time when this country is going down the tubes. Congress is hard at work on issues,such as football spygate,and baseball steroids. Thais is an embarrassment to the American people. Scary times ahead for this country. No matter which one of these clowns get elected

I don't believe a word out of a politicians mouth. Obama, Hillary, McCain. They would drown their own mothers to be president. You have to look at the facts. Their voting records. At a time when this country is going down the tubes. Congress is hard at work on issues,such as football spygate,and baseball steroids. Thais is an embarrassment to the American people. Scary times ahead for this country. No matter which one of these clowns get elected

Re Hillary. If you believe that she is a conservative, I have some swampland in Florida that I would like to sell you. If that is true, why then did her classmates at Yale Law School call her "the class commie?"

we need a true conservative - barry goldwater, we need you; willaim buckley we can't hear you.

we need a true conservative - barry goldwater, we need you; willaim buckley we can't hear you.

we need a true conservative - barry goldwater, we need you; willaim buckley we can't hear you.

Hillary's Valentine present to Barack was firing Patti and replacing her with Maggie. Here's why. Hill was doing great with Latinos mainly because she and her Latina campaign chief, Patti, had them convinced that if nominated, Hill would choose Bill Richardson aka Lou Costello as a running mate (pardon the expression). That's out the window now. Secondly, Maggie's got more baggage than a 747. When Johnny Chung, the felon and possible spy convicted in the campaign finance scandals of the 90s, visited the Clinton Cartel 50 times at the Casa Blanca, he often insisted on giving his "contributions" directly to Hillary but was intercepted by Maggie who received the checks totally over $350k. It was Johnny who told Congress that going to the White House was like riding the subway, i.e., you put your money in the slot and go through the turnstile. Maggie fled to Paris before the Clintons left office to escape the madness and now she's back. Why and what for? Just when I thought Rudy was the most inept politician of the year!

Hillary, Obama, McCain, all liberals. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
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All,

Why waste your time trying to analyze Her Thighness, BiLIARy? She will change her spots more quickly than you can keep up with. She and her meandering, good ole' boy 'husband', are masters at tricking the gullable public into casting votes their way. They are laughing all the way to the bank with their tens of millions of ill gotten dollars.

The sooner that we dispatch them into the rubble of self serving ex-politicos, the better off we will be.

Dave

WalMart was Arkansas' pride and a huge local employer, and it no doubt wielded huge political influence in the state. Of COURSE she was on the board, and good for her.

However-- can't any of you liberals do a bit of research? Did she attend meetings, did she try to lessen their hostility to unions? I.e.- please check out her campaign's claims, and let us know the truth.

This country is overwhelmingly pro-business. It's "liberal" only in that we each support the government programs we think will benefit us. However, Edward's late-Marxist anti-corporation bullshit does not resonate with 80% of the electorate, and never will. The sooner you libs realize this the sooner you'll win elections again.

Uh, Matt, this is called "politics" -- when challenged from the left, you run to the left, when challenged from the right, you run to the right.

Who cares? She is toast. All you Hillary sympathizers just accept the fact that Obama is the nominee and move on!

Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.

Review the C-span tape of Maggie Williams direct under oath testimony vs. the Capital police officer pursuant to her role in removing documents from Vince Foster's office shortly after his supposed suicide.

This just in:

Results of today's voting:

MD: 57% Obama, 34% Hillary
DC: 68% Obama, 27% Hillary
VA: 56% Obama, 31% Hillary

When we come back, we'll have next week's vote in Hawaii and Wisconsin. Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still to close to call but we may have them by the end of the week.

Now, back to you, Walter....

This just in:

Results of today's voting:

MD: 57% Obama, 34% Hillary
DC: 68% Obama, 27% Hillary
VA: 56% Obama, 31% Hillary

When we come back, we'll have next week's vote in Hawaii and Wisconsin. Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still too close to call but we may have them by the end of the week.

Now, back to you, Walter....

This just in:

Results of today's voting:

MD: 57% Obama, 34% Hillary
DC: 68% Obama, 27% Hillary
VA: 56% Obama, 31% Hillary

When we come back, we'll have next week's vote in Hawaii and Wisconsin. Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still too close to call but we may have them by the end of the week.

Now, back to you, Walter....


Try to Remember......

QUESTIONER:
Uh, welcome to the Grand Jury, Mrs. Clinton. How are you?

MRS. CLINTON:
I'm sorry. I don't recall.

QUESTIONER:
How's the book tour?

MRS. CLINTON:
I'm sorry, I don't recall.

QUESTIONER:
Uh, well let's get started.
[singing]
Try to remember when you were a member
Of Rose Lawfirm and worked Whitewater.

MRS. CLINTON:
[singing]
I don't remember that big money lender.
I was, um, baking cookies for my daughter.

QUESTIONER:
But Mrs. Clinton,
[singing]
Don't you remember that illegal tender
And your shady friend that McDougal fellow?

MRS. CLINTON:
I'm sorry,
[singing]
I can't remember; my brain's in a blender.
It's Jell-o!

QUESTIONER:
Ha ha, that's pretty good.

MRS. CLINTON:
Could we get on with this, please? I, I have to get back to my book tour.

QUESTIONER:
Okay, Mrs. Clinton, try to remember--and don't blame your gender--
[singing]
For missing all this high corruption.

MRS. CLINTON:
Well, excuse me,
[singing]
I don't remember--and don't blame my gender.
I'm not just some bimbo irruption.

QUESTIONER:
Uh uh, well, no, I didn't mean to imply that, but, but,

[singing]
Come next November your Bill the big spender
Could come to his end for this peccadillo.

MRS. CLINTON:
Well, I don't think so, because
[singing]
I can't remember; my brain's in a blender.
It's Jell-o! ["Jell-o" echoing four times]

QUESTIONER:
Uh, are you getting tired? Would you like to recess?

MRS. CLINTON:
I'm sorry, I don't recall.

QUESTIONER:
[quickly]
Who's president of the United States?

MRS. CLINTON:
Uh, I'm not sure I can remember that.

QUESTIONER:
This is very troubling.

MRS. CLINTON:
Well, pardon me.

QUESTIONER:
Oh, your husband could do that.

(Courtesy of Rush Limbaugh productions)

Can you believe the hutzpah of Hillary Clinton??? I know this interview with Maggie was done several years ago, but for Hillary to have appointed her as campaign manager with all the baggage she has, is mind boggling!! It is a real "in your face" action, or.....Clinton has truly lost her mind. Maggie Williams, Sandy Berger? These persons have blatantly illegaly "removed" (stolen) documents which were potential evidence in civil and/or criminal procedings. These are the people Hillary holds close to her, and for obviously self-serving purposes. Ye Gods, how much more do the American people need to see the Clintons for what they are: Thieves!!

Can you believe the hutzpah of Hillary Clinton??? I know this interview with Maggie was done several years ago, but for Hillary to have appointed her as campaign manager with all the baggage she has, is mind boggling!! It is a real "in your face" action, or.....Clinton has truly lost her mind. Maggie Williams, Sandy Berger? These persons have blatantly illegaly "removed" (stolen) documents which were potential evidence in civil and/or criminal procedings. These are the people Hillary holds close to her, and for obviously self-serving purposes. Ye Gods, how much more do the American people need to see the Clintons for what they are: Thieves!!


Let's recall Maggie Williams testimony or lack thereof during the Monicagate period. For a woman with her intelligence, she couldn't seem to remember much other than her name and was almost held in contempt of Congress. She's loyal to Hilllary and would climb a tree to lie about her rather than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

Let's see??, what shade of black is white anyway, OH! I see, it depends on how your parse 'is', Huh!

Meh, Hillary is a 1990s issue to me. The Clintons' are nothing more than a note in the archives and a "Good old days" backwash for pseudo-progressives living in the past.

As for Barack, I don't mind that a politician curtails a little of their personal politics toward the will of their constituents. We elect representatives not kings.

If you want higher taxes, class envy/warfare approach to politics, fewer individual freedoms, a MUCH larger government to intrude into your life, socialism, a reduction in free enterprise, 'victimization,' and less accountability and responsiibility, and a person who knows better than you because you're too stupid, then Hillary is your man! God help us in November....

You can't label the incredible morphing machine that is Hillary Clinton -- like the Terminator, she'll melt into whatever form she needs to be.

So while you can bash Williams for being "wrong" in calling her a conservative -- Williams is right part of the time. As all the suckers who voted for her in NYC know, Hillary winked as she got their zombie-automatic vote, then promptly turned and bowed to the upstate conservative crowd.

It's not about lib or conservative, it's whatever serves your ambitions. Even if it means letting big corporations burn tires in the middle of your global village.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/6/101959/1284

You can't label the incredible morphing machine that is Hillary Clinton -- like the Terminator, she'll melt into whatever form she needs to be.

So while you can bash Williams for being "wrong" in calling her a conservative -- Williams is right part of the time. As all the suckers who voted for her in NYC know, Hillary winked as she got their zombie-automatic vote, then promptly turned and bowed to the upstate conservative crowd.

It's not about lib or conservative, it's whatever serves your ambitions. Even if it means letting big corporations burn tires in the middle of your global village.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/6/101959/1284

You can't label the incredible morphing machine that is Hillary Clinton -- like the Terminator, she'll melt into whatever form she needs to be.

So while you can bash Williams for being "wrong" in calling her a conservative -- Williams is right part of the time. As all the suckers who voted for her in NYC know, Hillary winked as she got their auto-zombie vote, then promptly turned and bowed to the upstate conservative crowd.

It's not about lib or conservative, it's whatever serves your ambitions. Even if it means letting big corporations burn tires in the middle of your global village.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/6/101959/1284

You can't label the incredible morphing machine that is Hillary Clinton -- like the Terminator, she'll melt into whatever form she needs to be.

So while you can bash Williams for being "wrong" in calling her a conservative -- Williams is right part of the time. As all the suckers who voted for her in NYC know, Hillary winked as she got their auto-zombie vote, then promptly turned and bowed to the upstate conservative crowd. Poor little old hispanic women who held up those Hillary signs at the polls that fateful Tuesday, if only they knew how quickly they'd be deserted
once the new Senator got in.

It's not about lib or conservative, it's whatever serves your ambitions. Even if it means letting big corporations burn tires in the middle of your global village.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/6/101959/1284

Everyday we see more and more evidence:

Hillary Clinton will do and say anything to get elected, no matter how sleazy, wrong or stupid.

Flag-burning ammendments anyone?

Madison voters have the opportunity to stop the coronation of obama as the Democratic nominee. Since the Pennsylvannia debate, in October 2007, the obama camp, rightwing, national media, and blogs, have been distorting and smearing Hillary's record and words. It was obvious by the campaign tactics of the obama and the media that smearing her would be the only way of taking her out of the race, she all of a sudden became a liar and untrustworthy, she couldn't take a position when she obviously does and carefully thinks through a complex issue before mapping out how to resolve it. The obama camp was personally smearing Hillary in Iowa, 'Sen. Punjab' Michelle Obama personally attacking her referring to the lewinsky scandal, and all the while the media playing along and viciously attacking her while giving obama a free ride. Once Hillary was declared dead in NH, and work hard and won, obama and the media played the race card, MSNBC began it claiming the Bradley Affect, obama camp. went on msnbc claimed Hillary didn't cry for Katrina victims and emphasized Katrina several times (that was a direct racial play to the black community) obama camp sent racially inflamatory talking points to SC, which he admitted at the NV debate, then distorted Hillary and Bills words including the Jessie Jackson comment which the reporter provided the entire transcript before the camera was turned on, which Bill was being asked the question of 'race and history' Jessie Jackson comment was completely appropriate, the media fudged it up. The obama camp is still inflaming the black community by lying to this and other comments, to promote votes, which it is obviuosly working. 80% of the black vote is consistently going to obama regardless, that is racist.

Obama continues to spout his superior judgement on Iraq, however, it is a fact that he stated in 04 that he didn't know how he would vote for it and there wasn't much difference between him and bush. When obama finally was in the position to change the direction of the Iraq war he continuously voted to fund it, that is fact and does not show conviction, getting things accomplished it shows playing politics. Obama skipped the vote on Iran like so many other votes, but voted for a similar one in 06, now tries to use it against Hillary, he shows the lack of ability to stand firm on anything. Obama claims he is reform taking away the power of big business, but his relationship with Rezko has been of serious concern for those who want the truth, and his $230,000.00 donations from Exelon the 2nd largest Nuclear Power Corp, who obama changed his own legislation that would have held them accountable, to allowing Exelon to make the rules, reported in the NYTs Feb. 3, 2008. He has lobbyist on his campaign as the chair in NH, he has the political backing of the establishment in the large think tanks of WA. D.C.

Obama has been given a free pass from almost every media outlet and pundit, why? The rightwing is making a doc. on obama as we nominate and they are going to come full force if obama is the nominee, they will define him and the media will help, why else hasn't the corporate owned media been doing their jobs in reporting the facts. McCain will win if obama is nominated, look at obamas wins so far none of the states that matter to dems, a large racial divide in many of them that he will not beable to close if nominated, and his serious lack of qualifications and accomplishments to justify serious voters in the general to support him once he has been defined by the rightwing.

There is so much more I could say, but you need to make the right choice for this country and obama is not it. Do your homework on both Hillary and Obama don't listen to the media hype and the obama rhetoric, if you do you will choose Hillary who will beat the rightwing and keep her promises, she always has worked for the good of the entire country, her history proves it.

Stop it!! I'm starting to have tears : (

Please people, if you are considering voting for Hillary Clinton take some time now and read the thread on the DrudgeReport page titled, "Clintons' Terror Pardons" and see for yourselves what these two did at the end of his term in office. It is actually sickening to think that an American president would do something like that in order to help his wife get elected senator in NY. I don't think the writer is lying as Hillary will claim. Do this country of ours a favor and read it.

Chels: Read this from today's WSJ and see if it helps to straighten out your irrational views:


February 12, 2008


COMMENTARY


The Clintons' Terror Pardons
By DEBRA BURLINGAME
February 12, 2008; Page A17

It was nearly 10 p.m. on New Year's Eve, 1982. Two officers on New York Police Department's elite bomb squad rushed to headquarters at One Police Plaza, where minutes earlier an explosion had destroyed the entrance to the building. Lying amid the carnage was Police Officer Rocco Pascarella, his lower leg blasted off.

"He was ripped up like someone took a box cutter and shredded his face," remembered Detective Anthony Senft, one of the bomb-squad officers who answered the call 25 years ago. "We really didn't even know that he was a uniformed man until we found his weapon, that's how badly he was injured."


About 20 minutes later, Mr. Senft and his partner, Richard Pastorella, were blown 15 feet in the air as they knelt in protective gear to defuse another bomb. Detective Senft was blinded in one eye, his facial bones shattered, his hip severely fractured. Mr. Pastorella was blinded in both eyes and lost all the fingers of his right hand. A total of four bombs exploded in a single hour on that night, including at FBI headquarters in Manhattan and the federal courthouse in Brooklyn.

The perpetrators were members of Armed Forces of National Liberation, FALN (the Spanish acronym), a clandestine terrorist group devoted to bringing about independence for Puerto Rico through violent means. Its members waged war on America with bombings, arson, kidnappings, prison escapes, threats and intimidation. The most gruesome attack was the 1975 Fraunces Tavern bombing in Lower Manhattan. Timed to go off during the lunch-hour rush, the explosion decapitated one of the four people killed and injured another 60.


FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims "reactionary corporate executives" and threatening: "You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can't escape." By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies -- a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.

On Aug. 7, 1999, the one-year anniversary of the U.S. African embassy bombings that killed 257 people and injured 5,000, President Bill Clinton reaffirmed his commitment to the victims of terrorism, vowing that he "will not rest until justice is done." Four days later, while Congress was on summer recess, the White House quietly issued a press release announcing that the president was granting clemency to 16 imprisoned members of FALN. What began as a simple paragraph on the AP wire exploded into a major controversy.

Mr. Clinton justified the clemencies by asserting that the sentences were disproportionate to the crimes. None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone. "For me," the president concluded, "the question, therefore, was whether their continuing incarceration served any meaningful purpose."

His comments, including the astonishing claim that the FALN prisoners were being unfairly punished because of "guilt by association," were widely condemned as a concession to terrorists. Further, they were seen as an outrageous slap in the face of the victims and a bitter betrayal of the cops and federal law enforcement officers who had put their lives on the line to protect the public and who had invested years of their careers to put these people behind bars. The U.S. Sentencing Commission affirmed a pre-existing Justice Department assessment that the sentences, ranging from 30 to 90 years, were "in line with sentences imposed in other cases for similar terrorist activity."

The prisoners were convicted on a variety of charges that included conspiracy, sedition, violation of the Hobbes Act (extortion by force, violence or fear), armed robbery and illegal possession of weapons and explosives -- including large quantities of C-4 plastic explosive, dynamite and huge caches of ammunition. Mr. Clinton's action was opposed by the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. attorney offices that prosecuted the cases and the victims whose lives had been shattered. In contravention of standard procedures, none of these agencies, victims or families of victims were consulted or notified prior to the president's announcement.

"I know the chilling evidence that convicted the petitioners," wrote Deborah Devaney, one of the federal prosecutors who spent years on the cases. "The conspirators made every effort to murder and maim. . . . A few dedicated federal agents are the only people who stood in their way."

Observed Judge George Layton, who sentenced four FALN defendants for their conspiracy to use military-grade explosives to break an FALN leader from Ft. Leavenworth Penitentiary and detonate bombs at other public buildings, "[T]his case . . . represents one of the finest examples of preventive law enforcement that has ever come to this court's attention in the 20-odd years it has been a judge and in the 20 years before that as a practicing lawyer in criminal cases."

The FBI cracked the cases with the discovery of an FALN safe house and bomb factory. Video surveillance showed two of those on the clemency list firing weapons and building bombs intended for an imminent attack at a U.S. military installation. FBI agents obtained a warrant and entered the premises, surreptitiously disarming the bombs whose components bore the unmistakable FALN signature. They found 24 pounds of dynamite, 24 blasting caps, weapons, disguises, false IDs and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

A total of six safe houses were ultimately uncovered. Seven hundred hours of surveillance video were recorded, resulting in a mountain of evidence connecting the 16 prisoners to multiple FALN operations past and present.

Federal law enforcement agencies considered these individuals so dangerous, extraordinary security precautions were taken at their numerous trials. Courthouse elevators were restricted and no one, including the court officers, was permitted to carry a firearm in the courtroom.

Given all this, why would Bill Clinton, who had ignored the 3,226 clemency petitions that had piled up on his desk over the years, suddenly reach into the stack and pluck out these 16 meritless cases? (The New York Times ran a column with the headline, "Bill's Little Gift.")

Hillary Rodham Clinton was in the midst of her state-wide "listening tour" in anticipation of her run for the U.S. Senate in New York, a state which included 1.3 million Hispanics. Three members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- Luis V. Gutierrez (D., Ill.), Jose E. Serrano, (D., N.Y.) and Nydia M. Velazquez, (D., N.Y.) -- along with local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights advocates, had been agitating for years on behalf of the FALN cases directly to the White House and first lady.

Initial reports stated that Mrs. Clinton supported the clemencies, but when public reaction went negative she changed course, issuing a short statement three weeks after the clemencies were announced. The prisoners' delay in refusing to renounce violence "speaks volumes," she said.

The Clintons were caught in an awkward predicament of their own making. The president had ignored federal guidelines for commutation of sentences, including the most fundamental: The prisoners hadn't actually asked for clemency.

To push the deal through, signed statements renouncing violence and expressing remorse were required by the Justice Department. The FALN prisoners, surely relishing the embarrassment and discomfiture they were causing the president and his wife, had previously declined to accept these conditions. Committed and unrepentant militants who did not accept the authority of the United States, they refused to apologize for activities they were proud of in order to obtain a clemency they never requested.

So desperate was the White House to get the deal finalized and out of the news, an unprecedented 16-way conference call was set up for the "petitioners" who were locked up in 11 different federal facilities so that they could strategize a response to the president's offer. Two eventually refused to renounce their cause, preferring to serve out their lengthy sentences rather than follow the White House script.

Mr. Clinton's fecklessness in the handling of these cases was demonstrated by the fact that none of the prisoners were required, as a standard condition of release, to cooperate in ongoing investigations of countless unsolved FALN bombing cases and other crimes. Mrs. Clinton's so-called disagreement with her husband on the matter made no mention of that fact. The risk of demanding such a requirement, of course, was that the prisoners might have proudly implicated themselves, causing the entire enterprise to implode, with maximum damage to the president and potentially sinking Hillary Clinton's Senate chances.

Meanwhile, Puerto Rican politicians in New York who'd been crowing to their constituents about the impending release of these "freedom fighters" were enraged and insulted at Hillary Clinton's withdrawal of support. "It was a horrible blunder," said State Sen. Olga A. Mendez. "She needs to learn the rules."

The first lady called her failure to consult the Puerto Rican political establishment before assessing the entire issue a mistake "that will never happen again" -- even as the cops who had been maimed and disfigured by FALN operations continued to be ignored. Tom and Joe Connor, two brothers who were little boys when their 33-year-old father, Frank, was killed in the Fraunces Tavern attack, were dumbstruck to learn that White House staffers referred to the FALN militants as "political prisoners" and were planning a meeting with their children to humanize their plight.

Members of Congress viewed the clemencies as a dangerous abuse of presidential power that could not go unchallenged. Resolutions condemning the president's action were passed with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate, 311-41 in the House. It was the most they could do; the president's pardon power, conferred by the Constitution, is absolute. The House launched an investigation, subpoenaing records from the White House and Justice in an effort to determine whether proper procedure had been followed. President Clinton promptly invoked executive privilege, putting Justice Department lawyers in the impossible position of admitting that they had sent the White House a recommendation on the issue, but barred from disclosing what it was.

Twenty-four hours before a scheduled Senate committee hearing, the DOJ withheld the FBI's written statement about the history of the FALN and an assessment of its current terrorist capability. "They pulled the plug on us," said an unnamed FBI official in a news report, referring to the Justice Department decision to prevent FBI testimony.

The investigation revealed that the White House was driving the effort to release the prisoners, rather than the other way around. White House aides created talking points and strategies for a public campaign on the prisoners' behalf included asking prominent individuals for letters supporting clemency.

Jeffrey Farrow, a key adviser on the White House Interagency Working Group for Puerto Rico recommended meetings with the president and the three leading members of Congressional Hispanic Caucus who were pushing the effort, stating in a March 6, 1999 email, "This is Gutierrez's [sic] top priority as well as of high constituent importance to Serrano and Velazquez." The next day, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Maria Echaveste sent an email to White House Counsel Charles Ruff, who was handling the clemency issue, supporting Mr. Farrow's view, saying, "Chuck -- Jeff's right about this -- very hot issue." Another adviser in the Working Group, Mayra Martinez-Fernandez, noted that releasing the prisoners would be "fairly easy to accomplish and will have a positive impact among strategic communities in the U.S. (read, voters)."

And there you have it. Votes.

While the pardon scandals that marked Bill and Hillary Clinton's final days in office are remembered as transactions involving cronies, criminals and campaign contributors, the FALN clemencies of 1999 should be remembered in the context of the increasing threat of domestic and transnational terrorism that was ramping up during the Clinton years of alleged peace and prosperity. To wit, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Tokyo subway Sarin attack, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 1995 "Bojinka" conspiracy to hijack airplanes and crash them into buildings, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, the 1996 Summer Olympics bombing, Osama bin Laden's 1996 and 1998 "Declarations of War" on America, the 1998 East African embassy bombings, the 2000 USS Sullivans bombing attempt, the 2000 USS Cole bombing, and the 2000 Millennium bombing plot.

It was within that context that the FBI gave its position on the FALN clemencies -- which the White House succeeded in keeping out of news coverage but ultimately failed to suppress -- stating that "the release of these individuals will psychologically and operationally enhance the ongoing violent and criminal activities of terrorist groups, not only in Puerto Rico, but throughout the world." The White House spun the clemencies as a sign of the president's universal commitment to "peace and reconciliation" just one year after Osama bin Laden told his followers that the United States is a "paper tiger" that can be attacked with impunity.

It would be a mistake to dismiss as "old news" the story of how and why these terrorists were released in light of the fact that it took place during the precise period when Bill Clinton now claims he was avidly engaged, even "obsessed," with efforts to protect the public from clandestine terrorist attacks. If Bill and Hillary Clinton were willing to pander to the demands of local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights activists defending bomb-makers convicted of seditious conspiracy, how might they stand up to pressure from other interest groups working in less obvious ways against U.S. interests in a post-9/11 world?

Radical Islamists are a sophisticated and determined enemy who understand that violence alone will not achieve their goals. Islamist front groups, representing themselves as rights organizations, are attempting to get a foothold here as they have already in parts of Western Europe by deftly exploiting ethnic and racial politics, agitating under the banner of civil liberties even as they are clamoring for the imposition of special Shariah law privileges in the public domain. They believe that the road to America's ultimate defeat is through the back door of policy and law and they are aggressively using money, influence and retail politics to achieve their goal.

On the campaign trail, the Clintons like to say that Bill is merely supportive and enthusiastic, "just like all the other candidates' spouses." Nothing could be further from the truth. Returning Bill and Hillary Clinton to the White House would present the country with the unprecedented situation of a former and current president simultaneously occupying the White House, the practical implications of which have yet to be fully explored.

The FALN clemencies provide a disturbing example of how the abuse or misuse of presidential prerogative, under the guise of policy, can be put in service of the personal and private activities of the president's spouse -- and beyond the reach of meaningful congressional oversight.

Ms. Burlingame, a former attorney and a director of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, is the sister of Charles F. "Chic" Burlingame III, the pilot of American Airlines flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

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Hillary Hopes You've Forgotten These


Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her "record," which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or "co-president" - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would "demonize "anyone who opposed it." But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.

Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst mistake.

Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

In order to open "slots" in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for "gross mismanagement" and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad" and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

---- And Bill was impeached by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" 56 times under oath).

Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of theWhite House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, "The Twelve Days of Christmas."

Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village," demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "woman card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family..

Make sure America remembers.


Hillary Hopes You've Forgotten These


Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her "record," which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or "co-president" - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would "demonize "anyone who opposed it." But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.

Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst mistake.

Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.

Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

In order to open "slots" in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for "gross mismanagement" and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad" and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.

---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.

---- And Bill was impeached by the House.

---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" 56 times under oath).

Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of theWhite House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, "The Twelve Days of Christmas."

Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village," demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "woman card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't i