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Supporting the Troops

18 Feb 2008 12:23 pm

Michael Ledeen calls for expanded educational benefits:

Why has no candidate or national leader called for dramatic improvement in the educational benefits of the G.I. Bill? All our commissioned officers have college degrees (bet you didn't know that), but the non-coms need scholarships, and the officers should get the same for graduate and professional school. I'm sure David will agree. And the candidates should, too. If we really "support our troops," this is a fine way to do well for our society by doing good for our heroes.

That reminds me of this wacky incident from Bush's State of the Union address:

President Bush drew great applause during his State of the Union address last month when he called on Congress to allow U.S. troops to transfer their unused education benefits to family members. "Our military families serve our nation, they inspire our nation, and tonight our nation honors them," he said.

A week later, however, when Bush submitted his $3.1 trillion federal budget to Congress, he included no funding for such an initiative, which government analysts calculate could cost $1 billion to $2 billion annually.

Meanwhile, it seems to me that Hillary Clinton actually has proposed more-or-less the thing that Ledeen says nobody has proposed:

Hillary will enact a GI Bill of Rights for the 21st century that will resurrect the spirit of the original 1944 GI Bill and offer service members, veterans and their families with expanded education, housing and entrepreneurial benefits. Her plan will guarantee equal access for all components of the Armed Forces - Active, Guard and Reserve - that have deployed overseas in support of a combat operation since September 11 or served two years of active duty since September 11. She will fund undergraduate education for service members, as well as education for specialized trade or technical training, and certification and licensing programs.

And then of course who could forget about the time when the administration was saving money by having National Guard units deploy for precisely 729 days so as to avoid giving them the education benefits to which they would be entitled were they to stay for 730 days.

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Ah, Matthew. Hillary is pandering to the troops again. When will she stop playing identity politics by targeting every special interest in this country, and think about the welfare of all Americans instead? When she loses to Barack!

Note that Ledeen also talks about "...the finest single group in American society today: the warriors"(!) I am sure there are fine men and women serving in the US armed forces, but this sounds a bit too much like "Starship Troopers" type militaristic nationalism for my liking. At least to my Old European ears...

MARCU$

This is getting ridiculous. Do people not realize that this just means a whole swag of promises are going to be broken? It's not just Clinton; Obama's $130b for green jobs probably won't make the cut. And does he seriously think he's going to get immigration reform passed in his first year? Does Clinton seriously think her science reforms won't be watered down in the face of an economic downturn?

All this pandering...

Yeah, I know there's always pandering. But the sheer scale of it is just shocking. What happened to fiscal discipline? Instead, it seems that since the Potomac primary, both camps have unleashed their inner pony wish-mongers. Well, sometimes the tooth fairy doesn't come by and leave money under your pillow.

Any pentagon beancounter can tell you that personnel costs are already getting out of control for military personnel. Unless you want the defense budget to go up again, someone is going to have to draw a line someplace.

"...have to draw a line someplace."

Yep. And guess who's gonna be on the shitty side of the line AGAIN. (Hint: It's the people who are getting shot at.)

Oh, sorry, I forgot...
NO NEW TAXES! NO NEW TAXES! (ad nauseum)

Yes, life imitates art:

"Called careers information
Have you got yourself an occupation?
Oliver's army is here to stay..."

"Yep. And guess who's gonna be on the shitty side of the line AGAIN. (Hint: It's the people who are getting shot at.)"

How so? We're talking about personnel benefits like tuition and bonuses after the troops are out of the service, not while they're fighting. And the benefits she's proposing would apply equally to people who get shot at and those who man a desk in the pentagon, sit in a missile silo in North Dakota, or operate the laundry room on an aircraft carrier. She's not even trying to limit it to those who see combat.

There's been talk about using GI benefits for families for years, since Bill Clinton was president. And nothing's ever come of it, much to our dismay, with two daughters to put through college and a husband who was educated as much as possible courtesy of the AF, thus doesn't need the benefits himself.


So Hillary proposed the same idea as a neoconservative Republican?

Wow.

I guess Obama isn't the only "conservative" in the Democratic race.

"And the benefits she's proposing would apply equally to people who get shot at and those who man a desk in the pentagon, sit in a missile silo in North Dakota, or operate the laundry room on an aircraft carrier."

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess it's safe working in the Pentagon (getting hit by a hijacked airliner isn't really getting shot at), and that there aren't any Russian ICBM's targetting our missle silos, and that the laundry rooms on naval ships are impervious to attack.

Or aren't those folks "real soldiers"?

I think this is a great idea, but I don't mention it much because I live in a state that already provides veterans full in-state tuition to any of the state universities for four years. Add in the GI Bill as it is currently stated to pay for room, board and expenses, this essentially amounts to a 4 year free ride.

I find it sad that not only that there already isn't a federal program to do this, but that more states don't think enough of their veterans to provide such a similar program. Honestly, even though I think this should probably be a national issue, it might be even more effective as a platform piece for every democratic candidate for governor in every state that doesn't already provide a similar service.

Jim Webb is supporting a big GI bill expansion.

"Oh, I'm sorry. I guess it's safe working in the Pentagon (getting hit by a hijacked airliner isn't really getting shot at),"

It's as safe as working on the top floors of the World Trade Center or being a passenger on a hijacked airliner. Does that mean as a bond trader or guy flying to Tampa, I should get the same benefits as a soldier driving because I'm in danger of being killed by terrorists?

And exactly how many silo-sitting troops have died in a nuclear war? Or how many civilians won't die in the same freaking war that kills the guys in the silos? As far as nuclear war goes, we're all in the same level of danger.

So they're real soldiers, but hardly suffering for a lack of appropriate benefits. I was in the army reserve myself at one time- OMG I COULD HAVE BEEN SENT TO COMBAT AT ANY TIME. But I wasn't sent. So why should I get the same level of benefits as someone who was? I'm not complaining about that.

Jim Webb is supporting a big GI bill expansion.

And Bush has threatened to veto it if it passes.

But Republicans "support the troops," right?

No problem. Barak is going to add 96,000 infantry soldiers and Marines. And they'll all get max benefits. Just in time for "ending" the war.

I can't speak to reserve/guard benefits but it should be clear that active duty has many educational benefits to take advantage of.

However the GI Bill is the only educational benefit that applies for school after you get out.

Most of the rest, especially the high value ones, require additional commitment - the most common of these is Tuition Assistance, which pays 80-100% of tuition, in return for approx an additional one year commitment for each year of school. (IIRC, it is front loaded so that the first year of school requires a 2 or 3 year commitment.

The most common educational benefit that people take advantage of (at least in the navy) is the PACE program. If you are on an afloat unit, everything (books and tuition) is free, and you can pretty much get everything that one would take in the first two years of an undergraduate degree - thus cutting your time in college that your paying for yourself by one or two years.

For those in technical Rates/MOS's, more and more colleges are also offering transfer credit for completion of military technical schools. For instance, some colleges are offering up to 36 credit hours for the completion of the nuclear power training curriculum.

Also, FWIW, the GI bill benefit did get bigger a few years ago, but I can't remember if it was before or after 2001.

as well as education for specialized trade or technical training, and certification and licensing programs.

And this has been pushed pretty heavily over the last few years as well. The Navy has partnered with different certification and accreditation authorities to get the Navy training for various skills certified for immediate use in the civilian sector. Welding is the big one I am aware of, along with various IEEE ones. Also, anyone active duty navy can go online and get a good chunk of the IT certifications for free or at greatly reduced rate than what they would cost you to get if you worked in the industry.

Many states already offer free tuition at state universities to their National Guardsmen. NJ offers this for masters degrees too. Those Guardsmen are also eligible for the GI Bill which they can use for books and other non-tuition costs.

More broadly though, college educations aren't for everyone. Not everyone is interested in or has the aptitude for sitting in a classroom for 4 years listening to aging lefties drone on about stuff. A subset of the folks who aren't interested in this enlist in the military. Then they come out and become cops, EMTs, linemen for utility companies, start small businesses, etc. The elites in this country have a fixation with college as a panacea for economic advancement. It isn't.

The GI Bill of Rights legislation is something that Wesley Clark (now a Clinton adviser) has been pushing for quite awhile so it is not something Hillary has necessarily come up with on her own - though that doesn't make it any less worthy.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/03/retired_general.php


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