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The Trouble With the Defense Budget

05 Feb 2008 10:28 am

To be clear about something, the big problem with America's sky-high Pentagon budget isn't merely that it's big -- we're obviously capable of spending this much without wrecking the national economy and we have, in the past, spent a higher share of our economy on this stuff -- it's that so much of it is so clearly unnecessary. Fred Kaplan notes, for example, that the iron laws of inter-service rivalry dictate that the money be split up almost exactly evenly between the Army, Air Force, and Navy irrespective of need:

As I have noted before (and, I'm sure, will again), the budget has been divvied up this way, plus or minus 2 percent, each and every year since the 1960s. Is it remotely conceivable that our national-security needs coincide so precisely — and so consistently over the span of nearly a half-century — with the bureaucratic imperatives of giving the Army, Air Force, and Navy an even share of the money? Again, the question answers itself. As the Army's budget goes up to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force's and Navy's budgets have to go up by roughly the same share, as well. It would be a miracle if this didn't sire a lot of waste and extravagance.

What's more, as Kevin Drum argues it's not as if this has been accomplished by each service coming up with brilliant-but-expensive ways to fight terrorism. Rather, the rigid budget formula has been matched by rigid adherence to an R&D and procurement process developed in order to fight a large-scale war with a peer competitor like the Soviet Union. When the Cold War ended, you saw some rationale shifting and arguments about the need to to use this stuff to fight China (which has a relatively tiny military establishment, no real capacity to project power, and unlike the Soviet Union isn't really in a contest for global hegemony with the US anyway) and then after 9/11 you still sometimes hear that and you sometimes just get told we need this stuff to fight terrorism.

And of course in a super-simplistic way, it's probably true that all else being equal having an extra F-22 Raptor is better for counter-terrorism purposes than not having it. But in the real world when you add up your F-22s and your missile defense systems and your DDG1000 and your Virgina Class submarines and all the rest little else is equal. This stuff is extremely expensive. So expensive, in fact, that to keep the purchasing order for it we wind up not actually procuring enough of the new equipment to fully replace our old stuff. We could lower our horizons a bit and make due with buying new and only-slightly-improved versions of existing military hardware (which, after all, seems to work pretty well when it's not old and broken) and save tons of money for other priorities.

And don't just blame Bush, of course. Ike Skelton, the top House Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, released a statement yesterday calling Bush's budget request "a good and necessary increase." Meanwhile, proposals embraced by both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to increase the number of ground troops in the military could be a good idea if this was done by shifting some spending from these not-so-necessary weapons programs over to manpower needs, but as a pure increase that rather than being offset will drive further increases in Air Force and Navy budgets to preserve the formula it just further entrenches the problem.

At any rate, Fred Kaplan's book, Daydream Believers which is out now, goes into a bunch of this. He also notes that things get even worse when, in essence, policymakers start believing the propaganda associated with this kind of graft-driven endless buildup of equipment. The Bush administration, in particular, as Kaplan argues seems to have pointed out that this seemingly-useless policy of ensuring an ever-widening gap between US technological capabilities and those of any possible adversary must in fact have been super-useful -- maybe it would allow us to totally remake the ground-rules of the international order! Regime change quick and cheap! Why not! Well, we know how that turned out.

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If we exclude simple transfer payments such S.S. and also national debt interest payments and such, I wonder how much of the federal budget could be plausibly defined as administrative overhead and "corruption" in the broadest political sense.

I'd be surprised if the figure were less than 50%, and maybe it might edge up towards 80% or even higher.

And we wonder why the local DC economy is still going gangbusters right now...

well, it's not really true that we can afford to spend this money (i know, i know, matthew used "capable," with a slightly different nuance) all other things being equal: a.) we have a complete misalignment of revenues and expenses; b.) the defense spending eats up the potential for more socially useful spending because of "a."

When you talk about gaps in ability this big, there just becomes no need for the constant expansion that we're talking about here. For example, suppose for fun the US decided to only use Air Force materials that were 20 years old. There is no question whatsoever that the US Air Force of 1988 could defeat the Air Force of any other country on Earth here in 2008. So why, to pick one question, would you spend the estimated $300 billion the F-35 is gonna cost when all is said and done?

Actually, the news is a little worse than this as it does not represent ALL the procurement that the services actually want (and in the case of the Army and Marines, there is a case that they really could use MORE considering the fact that they have been going through their equipment at three times their expected lifecycle). In particular, the Navy's 313 shipplan is NOT moving forward as expected due to cost overruns in ships like LCS. And the DDG 1000 is just a pre cursor to the CGX ship which certain congressmen want to turn into nuclear driven ships which would DRASTICALLY raise their costs. If we threw the complete wishlist into the mix, the cost of it would make most people's eyes roll. And within the Pentagon, there is little planning or discussion about future budget problems. The next administration will have just a complete cow pie on their hands in terms of tieing strategy to force structure and acquistion.

When the Cold War ended, you saw some rationale shifting and arguments about the need to to use this stuff to fight China (which has a relatively tiny military establishment, no real capacity to project power, and unlike the Soviet Union isn't really in a contest for global hegemony with the US anyway) and then after 9/11 you still sometimes hear that and you sometimes just get told we need this stuff to fight terrorism.

China is taking a different approach to global hegemony. Whether they can make it truly effective or not remains to be seen. If we keep spending like drunken sailors, they'll succeed with out a bullet ever being fired.

One consequence of universal healthcare will be the vacuuming up of $$$ for healthcare expenditure will create pressures to rescrutinise and restrain expenditure on other matters, such as submarines.

1) What largely goes unnoticed is that the US Government is quietly building the means to conquer the world. Slowly and relentlessly.

2)No other goal explains the pattern and size of US military spending.

3) Eventually, continuous surveillance of the world via satellite. FIA and TSAT.

4) The atomic spy rings of the 1940s staved off US conquest of the world post WWII -- but the collapse of the Soviet economy is providing a new opportunity. Star wars to block Soviet launches. And you have to wonder whether the US government has nuclear bombs covertly deployed in space -- ready to drop out of the sky without warning.

5) In the meantime, control of the world's oil reservoirs and of the sea lanes needed to transport the oil.

5) Unthinking Americans --the Fox News crowd -- might applaude that conquest. Thinking citizens , however, remember that Caesar Augustus was succeeded by Caligula and Nero. They remember Gibbons' warning that global government is a dreary,oppressive prison for everyone --high or low.

6) When the Chinese Emperors established dynasties, the peasants still starved. And human progress in China -- research, innovations, technological progress -- ceased.

A world government ensures we will never reach the stars. Not in 100,000 years.

This just in....

Marines are part of the Navy....

well, it's not really true that we can afford to spend this money (i know, i know, matthew used "capable," with a slightly different nuance) all other things being equal: a.) we have a complete misalignment of revenues and expenses; b.) the defense spending eats up the potential for more socially useful spending because of "a."

Sorry, Howard, Matt is right and this is wrong. If you look at the federal budget, you'll see that under Bush federal taxes have fallen by over 2.5 points of GDP while military spending is up by only a point. Most of the major expansions in US social programs came in periods when we were psenind proportionately more on the military than we are now. And if you compare the US to other developed countries, you'll see military spending only a point or two lower than here, while overall government spending is 10 or even 20 points higher.

So military spending is clearly not the main constraint on other kinds of spending. It's stupid, wasteful, counterproductive, and makes us less safe rather than safer. But we're a rich country; we can afford guns *and* butter if we want.

A world government ensures we will never reach the stars. Not in 100,000 years.

Don Williams and Richard Steven Hack really need to start a group blog.

Rather, the rigid budget formula has been matched by rigid adherence to an R&D and procurement process developed in order to fight a large-scale war with a peer competitor like the Soviet Union.

Yes, and now the Sacred Socialism of military spending needs a new jingle.

Don't worry, they have people for that.
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> 1) What largely goes unnoticed is that the US
> Government is quietly building the means to
> conquer the world. Slowly and relentlessly.
>
> 2)No other goal explains the pattern and size of
> US military spending.

If you replace "US Government" with "Richard Cheney" I will agree you have a thesis worth discussing. Other than 'pumphead paranoia' I have not seen or been able to come up with any other theory that ties together the core of Cheney's actions.

Cranky

As the Army's budget goes up to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force's and Navy's budgets have to go up by roughly the same share, as well.

One quibble on this. As much as I hate the accounting method, this is the one positive feature of paying for the Iraq & Afganistan commitments through supplementals. Ostensibly, it should mitigate logrolling by just paying for expenses actually used in those operations. True, there are still a few wish list items, and completely unrelated spending - and the supplementals mostly fail to capture the accelerated depreciation of capital equipment. But AFAIK, the iraq/afg spending does *not* cause an across the board spending increase for each branch of service

The defense budget can be cut in half, without any discernible difference to US national security. But at the cost of millions of jobs, and yes congressional seats, that will be lost.

For all the brave talk of free markets and such, let's see this budget as the state-sponsored employment boondoggle that it really is.

This subject is one of the reasons, I think, so many people found Ron Paul appealing. He was the only candidate (well, maybe Kucinich also) to talk seriously about dismantling the military industrial complex. I liked what he said about this a lot. I also like what Pat Buchannan said on the same subject in the 90's. But why is it that only the loony right wingers (whose every other idea is completely horrible) can say this stuff?

People routinely try to play gotcha with HRC and Obama by asking how they will pay for national health care. No one asks how we'll pay for unending expansions in "defense" expenditures, though. I wish one of them had said, in the last debate, that we spend over a hundred billion dollars a year in Iraq, and that we could easily fund national health care with that money alone.

But AFAIK, the iraq/afg spending does *not* cause an across the board spending increase for each branch of service

Yes, it's very odd that Kaplan goes through an entire article noting that the supplementals for Iraq and Afghanistan are separate from the regular defense budget, and yet at the end of the article he says that as "the Army's budget goes up to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force's and Navy's budgets have to go up by roughly the same share". It completely contradicts everything he'd been saying for the entire article. Not to mention being completely wrong.

But, of course, there's a reason that Fred Kaplan is known as the stupidest defense analyst going.

Re pitkin's comment "Don Williams and Richard Steven Hack really need to start a group blog."
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1) No, but the USA needs to spend far more on research in advanced physics.

But it won't. Because the elite of a hegemon feel no competitive pressure to do so. Rather than develop new energy sources, it can simply go into the Middle East and steal the oil. If the natives object, it can declare a "War on Terror" and heavily tax US citizens to exterminate the foreign resisters and protect foreign "investments"

2) US GDP is $14 TRILLION. How much are we spending on research in advanced physics which has been the source of most of our technological progress?

Around $12 Billion. Less than 0.0009 of GDP
Meanwhile, almost $1 Trillion goes to military-related spending.

From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/science/05spac.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=physics&st=nyt&oref=slogin

"It is especially welcome after two years of tight financial constrictions resulting from money wrangling between Congress and the White House that have turned off some experiments, delayed others and left some scientists unemployed.

Under the proposed budget for fiscal year 2009, the United States would resume contributing to an international collaboration to build an experimental fusion power plant called Iter. Employees at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, the nation’s top institution in particle physics, would no longer be forced to take two days of unpaid furlough each month. Design work on particle physics experiments would resume, and cutbacks in other programs might be restored....
...“It was glorious for ’07 and it was glorious in ’08, and in neither case was it realized,” said Persis Drell, director of the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, which is laying off about 120 workers, including some scientists, from its staff of 1,600 in the next couple of weeks, because of this year’s budget cuts.

For the same reason, Fermilab is moving ahead with plans announced in December to lay off about 10 percent of its staff of 1,940. ...
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Dr. Orbach said although the president’s budget could put his programs back on track, a repeat of the past couple of years could be a turning point to a downward trend in those fields. International collaborators might turn to similar experiments in other countries. Graduate students might decide to switch careers."
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3) All of our young geniuses know that only a moron would choose physics today as a career -- that scientists are treated like used toilet paper by our mandarin class. A mandarin class composed of morons -- majors in political science -- who have never had the intellectual capital to understand science or math.

No -- all the rewards in the USA go to con artists -- whether in Washington DC or on Wall Street.

The atomic spy rings of the 1940s staved off US conquest of the world post WWII -- but the collapse of the Soviet economy is providing a new opportunity. Star wars to block Soviet launches. And you have to wonder whether the US government has nuclear bombs covertly deployed in space -- ready to drop out of the sky without warning.

The Soviet economy no longer exists and hasn't since 1991; Star Wars doesn't exist either; and anyone who thinks that an orbiting nuclear bomb makes any sense at all is frankly too stupid to be able to continue to breathe without an ipod that continually whispers "in...out...in...out" into their ears.

"...policymakers start believing the propaganda associated with this kind of graft-driven endless buildup of equipment..."

I don't think this even requires belief in the propaganda about how America is threatened on all sides. At some point politicians are going to ask themselves what good it is to have invested in such overwhelming military superiority, at the expense of other investments, if you aren't going to use that investment to make other countries (who've decided to spend on other things) do your bidding. Add to that the idea that aggressive war is nowadays considered perfectly justifiable for the US, for any number of vague reasons, and you have a pretty unstoppable dynamic towards endless war.

Now bein somethin er a defense contractor meself, I gots to take issue with what yer sayin here. The defense budget is mysterious labrynth of a creation, harder suss than a hindu bible. There's freight in that hold ye have no conception er, frieght er vital importance to the continued well bein er our fair nation. Fer instance, if it wern't fer me special, military strength male prophilactics with the extra manly ribbs designed especially with her enjoyment in mind, not to mention the pine scented anesthetic promotin stamina--and at the same time--an inspiring suggestion of american-style cleanliness, why then, the hoors er the world wouldn't be maintainin the high esteem fer the american soldier and sailor that they are currently maintainin today, makin us less safe.

We're talkin about hearts and minds here, maties, and a holistic type strategy. This ain't WWII where ye could just firebomb the paper-housed citizens er Tokyo and be done with it.

Re Ajay's comment "anyone who thinks that an orbiting nuclear bomb makes any sense at all is frankly too stupid "
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Maybe Brainiac can explain.

PS Ajay. Note what I said:
"nuclear bombs covertly deployed in space"

Didn't Fallows write the same book in the late 70s? Plus ca change...

Maybe Ajay can explain why Rumsfeld merged Space Command into Strategic Command (conducts nuclear war)?

From http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=3396
"DOD ANNOUNCES MERGER OF U.S. SPACE AND STRATEGIC COMMANDS


As part of the ongoing initiative to transform the U.S. military into a 21st century fighting force, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld today announced the intention to merge two unified commands whose missions include control of America's nuclear forces, military space operations, computer network operations, strategic warning and global planning. The intended merger of U.S. Space Command (SpaceCom) and U.S. Strategic Command (StratCom) will improve combat effectiveness and speed up information collection and assessment needed for strategic decision-making.

"The missions of SpaceCom and StratCom have evolved to the point where merging the two into a single entity will eliminate redundancies in the command structure and streamline the decisionmaking process," said Rumsfeld.

U.S. Strategic Command, located at Offutt Air Force Base in Neb., is the command and control center for U.S. nuclear forces. U.S. Space Command in Colorado Springs, Colo., commands military space operations, information operations, computer network operations and space campaign planning. Both commands are charged with countering the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. "
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Maybe Ajay could apply his Lamaze method of political discourse to explaining the following:

http://www.space.com/news/050617_space_warfare.html

Some excerpts:
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"The White House is now delving into U.S. military space policy and what it sees as the need to reshape current national space policy, a leftover legacy document from the Clinton Administration. "
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"The new policy will be more military-oriented, rather than the heavily civil-oriented predecessor," Hitchens suggested. What's ahead is a shift of terminology, she added, a "playing with the words."

As example, the term "freedom of action in space" is now a code phrase for "freedom to attack as well as freedom from attack," Hitchens emphasized, drawing the distinction from recently issued U.S. Air Force Counterspace Operations Doctrine.

Tap on the shoulder to toast

Hitchens points to current U.S. Air Force documents that state the need for anti-satellite capabilities. These "knock 'em dead" ideas range from hit-to-kill devices, electromagnetic pulses to lasers. "Anything from a tap on the shoulder to toast", she said, is not ruled out, including physical destruction of a target satellite. All are part of the counterspace portion of space control.

Just how explicit will the new Bush space policy be on these matters?

None of this detail is likely to be visible within the publicly released document, Hitchens said. "What I am suggesting is that the strategy of fighting 'in, from and through' space is already codified in official military documents. Those documents could not have been published without at least the tacit approval of the Pentagon civilian leadership and the White House."

For Hitchens, what's coming is simply putting "the political chapeau on this strategy." It will support the space warfighting strategy, although probably in a rather subtle and understated way, she said.

"The reason for the coyness is also obvious. The White House knows that the idea of space weaponization is publicly controversial. Therefore, they will seek to defuse this controversy by emphasizing the 'defensive' needs and approach," Hitchens advised.
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"The time to weaponize and administer space for the good of global commerce is now, when the United States could do so without fear of an arms race there."

This is the view of Everett Dolman, Associate Professor of Comparative Military Studies in the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies at Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama.

No peer competitors are capable of challenging the United States, Dolman explained, as was the case in the Cold War, and so no "race" is possible. The longer the United States waits, however, the more opportunities for a peer competitor to show up on the scene.

Dolman argues that, in ten or twenty years, America might be confronting an active space power that could weaponize space. And they might do so in a manner that prevents the United States from competing in the space arena.

"The short answer is, if you want an arms race in space, do nothing now," Dolman said.

Maintain the status quo

For those that think space weaponization is impossible, Dolman said such belief falls into the same camp that "man will never fly". The fact that space weaponization is technically feasible is indisputable, he said, and nowhere challenged by a credible authority.

"Space weaponization can work," Dolman said. "It will be very expensive. But the rewards for the state that weaponizes first--and establishes itself at the top of the Earth's gravity well, garnering all the many advantages that the high ground has always provided in war--will find the benefits worth the costs."

What if America weaponizes space? One would think such an action would kick-start a procession of other nations to follow suit. Dolman said he takes issues with that notion.

"This argument comes from the mirror-image analogy that if another state were to weaponize space, well then, the U.S. would have to react. Of course it would! But this is an entirely different situation," Dolman responded.

"The U.S. is the world's most powerful state. The international system looks to it for order. If the U.S. were to weaponize space, it would be perceived as an attempt to maintain or extend its position, in effect, the status quo," Dolman suggested. It is likely that most states--recognizing the vast expense and effort needed to hone their space skills to where America is today--would opt not to bother competing, he said.

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Read'em and weep, Rubes.

That's what so NICE about the Iraq War.

Hell of a diversion. Projects the Image of "weakened hegemon" and all that shit.

What was it that Chinese strategist said about 2500 years ago? Ah, yes.

"All warfare is based on deception".

Don Williams, have you ever read Ken McLeod's Fall Revoloution series? (The Star Fraction, The Stone Canal, The Cassini Division, THe Star Road) If not, I think you would enjoy them.

Speaking of deception:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040114-3.html

"President Bush Announces New Vision for Space Exploration Program "

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1) Of course, if you're going to "seize the high ground" you need to recruit a lot of naive young engineers. But how do you get around the young fuckers resistance to military service and national imperialism??

Well, Back in the Cold War, Hollywood enticed a lot of young engineers into the "space exploration" field with Star Trek. NASA continued the enticement with the Apollo Program.

2) Then the government yanked the rug out from under those space engineers by canceling NASA's space programs.

3) Which, by the strangest coincidence, left the Pentagon's National Reconnaissance Office with thousands of anxious young engineers queuing up for invasive background checks, polygraphs, and forms outlining past drug use with promises to never do it again. (The threat of selective prosecution is one motivational force /disciplinary tool not yet discovered by the private sector.)

4) So I look at the latest movie list and what do I see?

Ba ba ---ba ba ba BA!

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/MOV/011/

Ha ha ha. Live long and prosper, Rubes. You got a mortgage to pay, after all.

Yes, it's very odd that Kaplan goes through an entire article noting that the supplementals for Iraq and Afghanistan are separate from the regular defense budget, and yet at the end of the article he says that as "the Army's budget goes up to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force's and Navy's budgets have to go up by roughly the same share". It completely contradicts everything he'd been saying for the entire article. Not to mention being completely wrong.
Posted by Al | February 5, 2008 11:35 AM

To the extent that I&A chew through equipment & hardware, I&A drive up the budget of the Army. The only way I could see this being completely contradictory is if the budgeting for replacement equipment is on the supplemental side rather than the regular budget.

when you write 'make due', that's a lovely approximation to the way Prop Joe would pronounce 'make do'.

Re Don Williams

When is Mr. Williams going to get around to blaming the bloated Pentagon budget on Hiam Saban?

> The only way I could see this being completely
> contradictory is if the budgeting for replacement
> equipment is on the supplemental side rather than
> the regular budget.

From reading the milblogs I get the impression that a lot of things are being hidden in the "supplementals". They are by no means just beans and bullets.

Cranky

Thanks, cw. I'll look into them.

From reading the milblogs I get the impression that a lot of things are being hidden in the "supplementals". They are by no means just beans and bullets.

Cranky

Posted by Cranky Observer | February 5, 2008 12:48 PM

But would they bother hiding replacement equipment in there? Maybe so in order to hide the costs a bit.

MY: "we're obviously capable of spending this much without wrecking the national economy..."

Hello? Is anyone home? obviously? Paul Kennedy on the fall of the great powers? Chalmers Johnson's "Nemesis"

obviously?

MY: "we're obviously capable of spending this much without wrecking the national economy..."

Hello? Is anyone home? obviously? Paul Kennedy on the fall of the great powers? Chalmers Johnson's "Nemesis"

obviously?

For example, suppose for fun the US decided to only use Air Force materials that were 20 years old. There is no question whatsoever that the US Air Force of 1988 could defeat the Air Force of any other country on Earth here in 2008.

While its true that the Air Force of 1988 could defet anyone else's Air Force of 2008, in 2008 the Air Force of 1988 is 20 years old. Airplanes wear out. Are you still driving the car you bought in 1988?

Now, you might with some reason argue that we're buying Masaratis when what we need is a decent pickup truck. But that's a different argument than you were making.

The worst bit about it isn't the spending, it's in having this tremendously powerful tool sitting around. You can't NOT use it-- and as a result we seem to go to war far more often than is strictly necessary for our defense.

The worst bit about it isn't the spending, it's in having this tremendously powerful tool sitting around. You can't NOT use it

One of the things the Iraq War shows is that our army is more valuable in deterrring others' conduct when we don't use it. Invading Iraq means that Iran or North Korea doesn't have to worry about our army.

(This is hardly a new or original concept--google "fleet in being")

"Airplanes wear out. Are you still driving the car you bought in 1988?"

I believe that the life of airplanes is measured in hours on the airframe--the main structure. Since most of the planes built in 1988 have been lightly used in short wars, I think that the worn out idea is not totally valid. I also think Matt was talking about the idea that you continue to build planes of an older design rather than creating a new generation every 10 years or so.

I believe that the life of airplanes is measured in hours on the airframe--the main structure. Since most of the planes built in 1988 have been lightly used in short wars, I think that the worn out idea is not totally valid. I also think Matt was talking about the idea that you continue to build planes of an older design rather than creating a new generation every 10 years or so.

Airframe hours is one measure of airplane life. Cycles (takeoffs and landings) is another. It's complicated. But we don't replace all our military aircraft fleets every ten years or so. Our long-range bombers and aerial refueling tankers are fifty years old. Fighter aircraft tend to be replaced more frequently because fighter technology advances much more rapidly.

B. DuPont
You are right about the welfare aspects of Pentagon spending - it is clearly a welfare system for engineers. But I have to give it to the GOP - they treat their special interests right. If you look at where this money goes, it goes to reliably Republican pockets of the population. Look at who "defense" contractors contribute to. The dispersed network of Defense industry dependents are reliable Republican voters. It is a good training in schizophrenia for them - on the one hand, angrily against welfare checks for those miserable poor, and on the other hand, angrily for welfare checks for the bloody minded peculators in military technology. It's the very seedbed of gliberarianism. The Bush years have been golden for the schizo mindset, on the one hand, tearfully saluting those brave, liberty lovin' Iraqis, on the other hand, gleefully waiting to glass the middle east. Delusional about Eurabia and blind to the fact that they are supporting a war to secure another Islamic republic in the Middle East. Supposedly supportive of winning the war and unable, during the three years of evident, criminal neglect and corruption in Iraq, to even whisper a criticism of Bush as he was losing the war.

This is one of the reasons that this group is not just against the Dems, they are angrily against them. Because even though Democrats have kept the defense budget way over what it should be, it does tend to shrink under Democratic presidents. This pushes all their buttons.

"we're obviously capable of spending this much without wrecking the national economy and we have, in the past, spent a higher share of our economy on this stuff"

Once again, Matt ignores everything he's been told. I sent him - as well as linked to and extensively quoted from here - Chalmers Johnson's "How to Sink America". It establishes that we have a military-industrial welfare state, and that the net effect of such a state is lowered economic productivity and fewer jobs. It also establishes that this is a deliberate policy on the part of the US state.

Matt ignores all that - as usual.

Here it is again, for your edification:
http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=12248

Matt really is just completely clueless about virtually everything he posts in this blog.

I predict a future for him in public policy almost as bright as Bill Kristol.

Don: delta v.

Ajay: Fractional Orbital Bombardment System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_Orbital_Bombardment_System

PS Ajay

Yes, the inclination plane tends to be fixed because of inertia, although it can be changed--albeit with cost in fuel consumption.

But while the plane is fixed, the Earth is rotating under it. On the second pass around, for example, the earth has rotated about 1500 miles to the east. So if one passed over Washington DC on pass one, one passes over the Mississippi River Valley on pass 2. See?

And one can ,for much smaller amounts of fuel, increase or decrease the speed of revolution around the earth -- by decreasing or increasing the altitude of the payload above the earth. In this way, you can "slow down" until the earth's rotation bring a target into view.


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