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07 Mar 2008 06:29 pm

Samantha Power is a Pulitzer Prize winning author, and a brilliant and original thinker and advocate for the intelligent deployment of American power in order to build a more just and humane world. But she's supporting Barack Obama, she made a gaffe, she promptly and rightly apologized, and then she resigned. And now this afternoon, the Clinton campaign has continued to push out Power-bashing material in order to prove, I guess, that there's nothing and nobody they won't try to destroy if they think that will provide them with some slender additional shot at getting themselves and their clique back in power. It's a bit disgusting.

Also on this point, I join Kriston Capps in puzzlement over Dana Goldstein's view that "Power's comments promoted an awful stereotype of a female leader as someone who is inhumanly calculating, with no core beliefs." This strikes me as close to expressing the view that the feminist position is that criticism of Hillary Clinton is, as such, sexist. "Monster," as Kriston says, isn't a gendered term and accusing one's political opponent of a lack of principle is incredibly common. On top of that, the Clintons have actually spent a fair amount of time promoting the idea that they have a ruthless approach to politics. Democratic primary voters are supposed to want a ruthless leader to take on John McCain. But they turn that same ruthlessness against progressive leaders (and, indeed, principles if we recall Ricky Ray Rector and 1995-98), too, when it suits their purposes.

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Matthew, all I can say if you are one of those DC insiders with the hidden dirt on the Clintons, now is the time to share it.

And a clear statement from you that you won't vote for The Monster in the general election in the event that she wins the nomination would be very helpful at this point. It's time to get off the sidelines. These kind of posts are great, but not nearly enough.

if you are one of those DC insiders with the hidden dirt on the Clintons, now is the time to share it.

Or do what everybody else does: just make it up.

Yeah, I've never heard of a stereotype of female leaders as "inhumanly calculating, with no core beliefs". I'm plenty familiar with the trope of Hillary Clinton being that way, tho.

Well don't just make it up, but unverified, unsubstantiated rumors will do just fine.

If you called Hillary Clinton a Rutabaga, it'd be denounced as sexist.

Rutabagas grow and flourish in the dirt.

Didn't the Obama campaign put out oppo research on Krugman?

It's even more clear now than it was a few hours ago that accepting Power's resignation was a mistake. Not only did it buy the Obama campaign no good will, it signaled weakness and invited further attacks. The thing to do would have been to just apologize and say that tempers can get overheated at these times, but insist on the right to have the staffers of his choice.

There's such a thing as "an awful stereotype of a female leader as someone who is inhumanly calculating, with no core beliefs"? That sounds more like the stereotype of an ambitious politician of either sex; in fact, I submit that had Power made her comment about a male politician, it would not have been as big a story, perhaps no story at all. This illustrates the bind Obama is in right now: he does need to get tougher, but the sexism police, the same people who thought his use of the word "periodically" was a slur, are going to try to restrict what he can say.

Or do what everybody else does: just make it up.

It's a hell of a slate to write on. Bill and Hillary didn't have a house to go to if they had lost in 1992. They weren't paupers but they weren't anywhere near being in the ballpark of writing their campaigns million dollar checks. There is no clean answer for where that money came from and I bet you *never* see those tax returns.

Obama doesn't need to do anything. This race is all over but the shouting. Stay on message and let her punch herself out.

In fact, maybe Obama should announce that he's going back to the Senate to do the people's work.

I am reaching the point where I am ready not to vote at all in the fall rather than vote for Hillary. This is beginning to become an unbelievale f---ing tragedy for the democrats.

I suggest that Obama asks the simple question: why should Democrats vote for anyone who endorses a Republican? Tie her to McCain, bring up her votes on Iraq, her flagburning bill, all of her real Bush-enabling record. End with "It's time to pick a President - Hillary Clinton has made her choice. We think Democrats should choose more wisely than to endorse George Bush's wingman. Barack Obama - it's time to turn the page." That strikes me as true, undeniable, and absolutely fair, when you think what she's been trying to do these last few days.

I'm already not voting for Hillary Clinton. I'll still close my eyes, think of the Supreme Court and vote against John McCain, but if she keeps up this "Johnny Mac and I are qualified' crap, she may just knock me off of that fine line.

Speaking as a 53 year old feminist, this "you're being sexist if you diss Hillary" mantra is wearing pretty thin. To my mind, the idea in 21st century feminism is to take people as individuals, on their merits, period.

As for "inhumanly calculating, with no core beliefs," the shoe fits Hillary all too well. There is no "there there."

Oh, and Matthew, what LarryM said.

It's scorched earth. The Clintons want to turn Obama into McGovern.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/hillarys_mcgovern_problem.html

The Clintons want to do a Seung Hui Cho on the 2008 Primary.

Hillary Clinton thinks the man who wants to bomb Iran and stay in Iraq for a hundred years is fit to be CiC. I'd say that disqualifies her from consideration.

Ed, you are right. The Clintons of '92 didn't have the proverbial pot to piss in. No comparison to the Obamas of '08.

As for now, iirc they both got 7 figure book advances. That was just in the first year. Bill has been raking it in. I think people will be astonished. But look at Rudy (9/11) Guiliani - he made like 11 million in less than a year. And good thing ol' George Herbert Walker Bush doesn't have to release his returns. Even Junior is relishing the thought of easy money on the lecture circuit.

And yes, it was probably a big mistake for Obama to accept Powers' resignation. Though if she had stayed I think there would be some additional scrutiny of her actual positions which some could say were anti-Israel (personally I don't know enough about this to say one way or the other, though it has been making its way around).

Jammu

The irony of the sexism angle is that it is becoming painfully obvious that continued support of the Monster is seriously endangering Roe v. Wade.

It is a strange world, where calling an evil, dishonest, corrupt and throughly compromised creature a monster is seen as controversial. But then, I suppose the Clintons see themselves as unlike other monsters. Ooops, I shouldn't have said that....

You also notice on this blog, as the day has worn on the few remaining Monster supporters have mostly been keeping quiet.

there's nothing and nobody they won't try to destroy if they think that will provide them with some slender additional shot at getting themselves and their clique back in power

Were you awake in the 90s, Matthew?

Samantha Power, meet Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp. The funny thing is that I'm sure Matthew was perfectly fine with the Clintons trying to "destroy" everyone that opposed them in the 90s.

And it warms my heart to see the rest of you catching up to me on the rhetoric front. :)

Though no one else has compared he to Cheney yet.

I hate to say it, and I use as an excuse the fact that there really WERE a ton of unfair attacks on the Clintons in the 90s, but Al is not entirely wrong.

Speaking as an authentic monster, I take grave exception to being compared to Hillary Clinton. I may have tentacles, possess a vicious sense of entitlement, and consider myself the victim whenever I devour another entity, but really, I never did anything that bad to anyone. Please, enough with the monster references! Call her something else - a self-aggrandizing, delusional psychopathic hag if you like, but don't insult innocent bystanders.

ps. I apologize to any self-aggrandizing, delusional psychopathic hags who feel tainted by being linked to Hillary Clinton. I feel your pain.

What's that splashing sound?

Anybody who was around Republican circles in the 90s heard the exactly same language: "there's nothing and nobody they won't try to destroy".

It's almost eerie, actually.

Cthulhu wins the thread.

Now please don't devour me.

Oh, and the reason the "monster" supporters are quiet is probably because most of them have been, in one way or another, asked to leave. And so we left. Good luck talking to each other.

I winced at deploying Rubin and Wes Clark a short while ago to hammer on Power even further. Can they just let her be now? She screwed up, apologized, and lost her position in the campaign (unfortunate given her talent). Clinton's got her pound of flesh already. Move on.

Larry, the term you now need is "mutually beneficial ingestive integration". The devouring word is now extremely politically incorrect in my circle, after its use in connection with Hillary Clinton. I trust you will note this for future reference. *S*

Yours, with tentacles outstretched,

Cthulhu

Cthulu: your lunch has arrived. It's called 'Al'. Yes, it's a bit stringy.

Although you have to admit it is kinda fun that in the course of trying to destroy Power, Clinton is making Power's case for her.

By the way, I once spent about 30 minutes at Taylor Marsh's website. I did in fact learn there that not only is any criticism of Clinton inherently sexist, so is any praise of Obama, or for that matter insufficiently exuberant praise of Clinton.

Didn't the Obama campaign put out oppo research on Krugman?

Indeed. They actually quoted one of his earlier columns to show that he had (debatably) contradicted himself in a column attacking Obama. It doesn't get any filthier than that!

So, deploying massive numbers of troops into Israel and the West Bank/Gaza, unilaterally declaring a solution and then imposing it is an example of a:

"brilliant and original thinker and advocate for the intelligent deployment of American power in order to build a more just and humane world."

Please explain how her policy prescription is any less "arrogant and unilateral" than what all you folks on the left claim Bush has done in Iraq.

Oh, I know - it involves stiffing the Jewish state and standing on the side of the most homicidal maniacs on the planet.

The only thing I'm confused about now is whether Matt qualifies as amoral or immoral.

But The Onion says Clinton is a monster so it must be true.

The dismaying thing for me these last couple of days was the noises made by the Clinton camp and elsewhere about a shared ticket. My theory is that the monster comment was designed to shut that talk down. Maybe not.

But the Clinton campaign is like one of those monsters in a bad horror movie. It keeps popping back to life and won't stay dead.

Sister Taylor is a valued member of our dark cult that shall restore the Old Ones to power. Remember that, when you hear her thin, eldritch piping as her gelatinous bulk slithers down the corridor after you!

BTW, Matthew's claim that that, because Power apologized Clinton should not attack her any more, is downright wierd. I mean, what is this, grammar school? Do we have a mercy rule? It's not like Matthew has refrained from attacking McCain over, say, the Keating Five affair.

Al,

I'm sure I am to the left of you, but I always despised the Clintons. Ricky Ray Rector was the start of it. Waco finished it off. Of course, Clinton I set up the foreign policy disaster that GWB finally implemented, with Clinton II's fulsome support. And, of course, there was their demonic destruction of the women WJC abused.

Here's the thing: it's Obama's job to fight back. If he does what I just heard him do on NPR, basically stumble through a couple lines questioning her experience, he actually looks weak because, well, he sounds weak. If staying above the fray won elections, John Kerry would be president.

Pithlord, you do realize that many demons find it distressing to be linked to Clinton? We find it demeaning and malicious, and frankly just a touch cruel. Clinton I was indeed a member of our circle for many years, but you can't blame the neighbourhood for one rogue, can you?

If the Republicans hadn't so ridiculously overplayed their hand at every opportunity, many more Democrats probably would have ended up disliking the Clintons.

"Power's comments promoted an awful stereotype of a female leader as someone who is inhumanly calculating, with no core beliefs." This strikes me as close to expressing the view that the feminist position is that criticism of Hillary Clinton is, as such, sexist.

It's a sexist stereotype that women are either nice/good/submissive or bitches/bad/dragon ladies, etc. She herself is not sexist.

I wonder how many loyal Democrats, like myself, now feel an intense rage as they watch Hillary lie and cheat and wreck the party - and then realize that we wasted all that time and energy defending two bigoted shysters from Arkansas, who did nothing but play Republican, abuse women, rake in slush money - and sold us the line about victims and how the evil Right Wing Conspiracy was to blame. Hell, if I could, I'd indite the bastards tomorrow, and ask Ken Starr for a do-over!

This, from Reihan, is classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL0k5nbR9SU

This strikes me as close to expressing the view that the feminist position is that criticism of Hillary Clinton is, as such, sexist.

I can't believe you're really puzzled that this view is out there. For one thing, it's analogous to the all-too-familiar stance that any criticism of Israel is anti-Jewish.

I misread. Never mind.

Matthew continues his slow side into the Stoller/Bowers irrelevance of thinking that protecting his crowd is more important than the interests of the Democratic Party.

That link you like so much, southpaw, I do not think it leads where you think it leads. (With apologies to Inigo Montoya).

Hell, if I could, I'd indite the bastards tomorrow, and ask Ken Starr for a do-over!

indite |inˈdīt|
verb [ trans. ] archaic
write; compose : he indites the wondrous tale of Our Lord.
ORIGIN Middle English endite, from Old French enditier, based on Latin indicere (see indict ).

indict |inˈdīt|
verb [ trans. ] (usu. be indicted)
formally accuse or charge (someone) with a serious crime : his former manager was indicted for fraud.
DERIVATIVES
indictee |ˌindīˈtē| |1nˈdaɪˈti| |-ˈtiː| noun
indicter |1nˈdaɪdər| noun
ORIGIN Middle English endite, indite, from Anglo-Norman French enditer, based on Latin indicere ‘proclaim, appoint,’ from in- ‘toward’ + dicere ‘pronounce, utter.’

James Gary, are you using Republican grammatical talkingpoints?

Hmm, sorry:

http://theamericanscene.com/2008/03/07/reihan-channels-samantha-power

Try that. It's also the top post right now, here:

http://theamericanscene.com/

Those two still work.

Petey completes his collapse into total projection, as he is now in the tank for someone for whom gaining power is clearly more important than the interests of the Democratic Party.

Re hello

Criticizing the State of Israel is antisemitic. Criticizing the Government of the State of Israel is not; in fact, nobody criticizes that government more then I do.

SLC:

I didn't have that distinction in mind and am not sure what you mean by it, unless by "criticizing the State of Israel" you mean objecting to its existence. In any case, I did mean something like "criticizing the actions of Israel's government."

Matthew continues his slow side into the Stoller/Bowers irrelevance of thinking that protecting his crowd is more important than the interests of the Democratic Party.

Uh huh.

Got an answer to that question on Congressional prospects w/ Hillary as the nominee, or did I miss it in another thread?

It's a shame, because Petey had some interesting thinsg to say, back in the JEE days (John Edwards Era). It seems he has now become a ranting Hillary troll. I guess we are now in the Post Edwards Era, or PEE days.

Matthew continues his slow side into the Stoller/Bowers irrelevance of thinking that protecting his crowd is more important than the interests of the Democratic Party.
Posted by Petey

Petey continues his not-so-slow slide into self-parody by typing this, with no visible sign of irony, while promoting a candidate who promotes John McCain as president if she can't have her way.

I love shooting fish in a barrel.

Al, MY spent the '90s aging from 9 to 19.

I'd imagine that he became more politically aware as time went on. But, unless he was as big a news nerd as I was at those ages in the '70s, he may have missed hearing of all the Clinton babes thrown under the bus in real time.

Al killed Vince Foster. Not directly, but I know I'd shoot myself in the head if I had to read Al in more than short, easily scrollable turdnuggets.

unless he was as big a news nerd as I was at those ages in the '70s,

Don't you think it's likely that someone who ends up writing a professional political blog in his 20's was a "big news nerd" in his teens?

I dunno, I could be wrong. I was going to make a crack about Matthew's awareness of it in the 90s when he wasn't in a stupor or fog (playing off his frequent remarks about drinking and/or smoking in high school), but decided not to. Uh, until now, I guess.

Not directly, but I know I'd shoot myself in the head if I had to read Al in more than short, easily scrollable turdnuggets.

This is a request for lengthier comments?

Using the term "monster" was incredibly dumb, but I don't think it was sexist. Bill Clinton is a monster as well. The Clintons ARE monstrous in their narcissism, their greed for power and lack of basic human decency. That's why the Clinton years amounted to so little, and why the party was in such bad shape when Bill finally left office.
Seconds, anyone?

didn't have that distinction in mind and am not sure what you mean by it, unless by "criticizing the State of Israel" you mean objecting to its existence.

That's what he means but there is a wrinkle there. You also have to declare that Palestinians uniquely lack a right to property siezed in '48 and that SLC has a right to said property. I don't see an ounce of logic in that so I just resigned myself to my awful anti-semitism.

This is a request for lengthier comments?

Not if you knew how bad a shot I am.

MY: "ruthlessness"

Embracing a perennial GOP/MSM anti-Clinton/Gore talking point, awesome.

Did Chris Matthews take over this blog?

Petey,

It's The Monster and her pathetic supporters like you who destroyed the party. Please die painfully in a fire and burn in the fires of hell for all eternity, you evil fuck.

In the meantime, if she does somehow get the nomination, I will be laughing in your face as The Monster loses every state.

Samantha Power can now get a job at Weekly Standard.
They say she criticized Israel, but she is stil a neocon. One of those humanitarian neocons.

MY: "ruthlessness"

Embracing a perennial GOP/MSM anti-Clinton/Gore talking point, awesome.

You can't honestly contend that "ruthlessness" doesn't accurately describe HRC's political style.

As Matt points out, even she's embraced her aggression and ambition as a feature of her candidacy.

As a woman, I can tell you unequivocally that there are many supposed feminist women who claim power yet all the while play the victim card throughout.

I have said it many times...REAL feminism is based on equality. It claims no special favors, shrinks from no assault as a victim.

I have enough reason to not support the Clintons without worrying about her being a female. What astonishes me is the hard core feminists that claim my vote for another is tantamount to treason.

That's not equity and that's not the feminism I grew up fighting for. It's female supremacy and it will go far further in destroying REAL women's rights to equity than any man ever could.


Oh...and btw...Powers screwed up and did the right thing by stepping down. I wish others had done the same thing in all the other campaigns and maybe we wouldn't be in this mud wrestling mess we're in now with this campaign.

southpaw: "You can't honestly contend that "ruthlessness" doesn't accurately describe HRC's political style."

Well, first, I'm not sure what that really means, in the sense that I think you can point to aspects of any campaign, especially a successful one, and say that it is being "ruthless". Politics ain't beanbag.

More importantly, it is absolutely true that "ruthless" and its friend "he/she will do anything to win" have been applied pejoratively to the Clinton's, and Gore in 2000, in a consistent manner that other candidates have not seen.

Personally, I find portraying the Clinton's as racists, or race-baiters (in my mind just about the worst thing you can say about someone), due to some tactics/quotes that are subject to interpretation is pretty damn "ruthless".

Or suggesting they're hiding nefarious financial schemes in their tax returns. Also "ruthless".

(Aside: I realize, relatedly, that everything that the Clinton's do must be interpreted in a way that reflects worst on them, hard pundit law).


In fact, maybe Obama should announce that he's going back to the Senate to do the people's work.

Absolutely agree, Southpaw. I would totally respect that. Obama's got it won if he stays out of the mud.

Will never happen.

I once saw Hillary knock the head off the Statue of Liberty.

Has the honeymoon between Yglesias and Clinton ended?

I'm kind of joking. Yglesias has never fully supported Clinton. But he did turn a blind eye to her negative tactics.

Finally Yglesias is calling out the monster.

Ricky Ray Rector:Clinton::Karla Faye Tucker:GWB. Discuss.

Politics ain't beanbag.

WTF does beanbag mean? I've never heard of it outside of this blog. I mean I know what a beanbag chair is, but is there some childhood game called beanbag? Say tiddlywinks if that's what you mean. Saying it's not beanbag is just weird. Would anyone say "it's not feathers" or "it's not sleeping bag"?
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When I hear the word monster, I think of Charlize Theron's movie. [shudder] Having the media continually repeat that Hillary is a monster is brilliant. I don't think it hurts Obama nearly as much as it hurts Clinton. Sort of like when John McCain got to look magnanimous by denouncing that radio clown from Cincinnati.
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And as far as I know, Hillary is not a lesbian.

LarryM

Does Barack make you catch too?
That man sure loves Greek.

Politics ain’t beanbag: ’tis a man’s game, and women, children ‘n’ pro-hy-bitionists had best stay out of it.

--Finley Peter Dunne (aka "Mr. Dooley")

http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3432

Or suggesting they're hiding nefarious financial schemes in their tax returns. Also "ruthless".

Isn't that the same trick Clinton and Wolfson played on Rick Lazio in 2000, though? More importantly, can you honestly defend the claim she kept making that she would only release her tax returns after she won the nomination? If she isn't hiding anything, she should release them like every single other candidate does.

"WTF does beanbag mean? I've never heard of it outside of this blog. I mean I know what a beanbag chair is, but is there some childhood game called beanbag?"

It's a game originating in the southside of Chicago where two opponents try to throw fist-sized beanbags into a 2 x 3 (or so) box laying on the ground with a 6" hole cut in the top from about 10 yards away. A lot like horseshoes, but with beanbags and a hole instead of horseshoes and a pole.

I used to live on the Daley's block, and they'd break it out at Nativity or Shinnick's once a quarter or so. Speaking of, I hope this proves once and for all that Obama isn't a "Chicago machine" politician. One of those would have really f*cked someone up by now. Seriously, a Daley would have picked a random Clinton aide and cut his c*ck off at this point.

Oh whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Matthew. Poor Samantha put her foot in it, was unprofessional, and got nailed. AGain, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Sounds to me like you know her personally, and THAT is the primary reason you are pissed off. Which, if true, simply reinforces my belief that you are already, at your young age, far too deeply enmeshed in the Beltway/NYC/Boston insiders' club to have any degree of objectivity.

I believe EVERYTHING should be on the record between public officials, their staff and the press. Anything less leads to unhealthy, incestuous ass kissing and fraternization.

It already doesn't help that you, Ezra, and Andrew are best buds on and off the record.

I wonder if all the Power bashing by HRC will make a few of her feminist supporters reconsider their support? She's a highly respected figure in quite a few circles.

It's a game originating in the southside of Chicago where two opponents try to throw fist-sized beanbags into a 2 x 3 (or so) box laying on the ground with a 6" hole cut in the top from about 10 yards away. A lot like horseshoes, but with beanbags and a hole instead of horseshoes and a pole

That game is called Cornhole in Ohio. I shit you not. (the bags are filled with corn kernels.) So, actually, one could argue that politics is the act of being cornholed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornhole_(game)

Power calling Clinton a "monster" is an ad hominem, but comparing Obama to Ken Starr is a "historical reference", apparently.

Fascinating.

Wow, reading the wikipedia article, I'm amazed at my powersof estimation. I nailed the 2' x 3' estimate. Though I never knew there were rules. Just a bunch of drunk mics tossing beanbags in my book.

(And by the way, Mr. Dooley was the original Bridegport resident -- his fictionalized "Archey Road" is really Archer Ave., the northern boundary or Bridgeport. Which, if you're in Chicago, hosts two great restaurants at opposite ends -- Opart Thai in the South Loop off of State, and Tio Luis's in Brighton PArk just west of Western. Man, Denver's great and all, but I miss Chicago.)

This is yet another example of what is called "projection". Clinton is remarkable in her continual outrage at behavior that she exhibits, when she sees it in others. At this point, her (or her campaign's) outrage has become a very good indicator of what they are about to unleash themselves. Once one recognizes this pattern, it's transparency is nearly astounding. But sadly, it's both banal and pathological.

Hillary Clinton is the moral equivalent of George W. Bush. She has no core principles whatsoever, driven only by personal ambition to win at any cost. Although I am a lifelong Democrat, I despise her and could not vote for her under any circumstances. She represents all that is wrong with American politics.

Though I have to say this - as much as I despise the Monster, and as unwavering as I am in my decision not to vote for her if she wins the nomination, two minutes on Instapundit's site (I can't stand any more than that) certainly makes you wonder a bit. If Clinto is a monster, Glenn Reynolds is a monster^3. And you can tell from his vile spewings that he is just loving this dispute.

Is it socially acceptable to wish that someone beats Reynolds to death with a baseball bat? Or, better yet, beats him to the point where he is a brain dead vegetable.

BTW, Matthew's claim that that, because Power apologized Clinton should not attack her any more, is downright wierd. I mean, what is this, grammar school? Do we have a mercy rule? It's not like Matthew has refrained from attacking McCain over, say, the Keating Five affair.

The difference is Power resigned and McCain did not. Let's put it in Ultimate Fighting Championship terms, you can beat the tar out of the other guy up until the point he taps out, then you STOP. If you want to be a mensch, you can help the poor guy up, but under no circumstances do you keep punching an opponent who has given up.

Once Power resigned, she was tapped out and became a noncombatant. If McCain had resigned from the Senate over the Keating Five deal, it would be in as poor taste for his political adversaries to keep attacking him as it is for Hillary to keep attacking Power.

"Destroy" Power? Please, Matt, stop the hyperbole. How much can she be harmed by this? Nothing the Clinton cmapaign can say or do can hurt Power's real career. Though Clinton's fooling herself if she thinks she can stretch out the news cycle; this story is over.

Rickey Ray Rector was a retarded murderer.

Murderer.

Does MY believe in the death penalty?

Is it socially acceptable to wish that someone beats Reynolds to death with a baseball bat?

No. The socially acceptable wish is for him to suffer a terrible accident with his gun hoard while preparing for the rampaging dark hordes he expects to show up.

(The French translator of Brian Mulroney's memoir rendered 'Politics isn't beanbag' as 'La politique n'est pas un jeu d'enfant.')

Rickey Ray Rector was a retarded murderer.


Murderer.


Does MY believe in the death penalty?

Your comment is rather strange. What are you getting at?

MY is pro-death penalty.

MY, using Ricky Ray Rector as a crutch, in any context, is offensive,

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

The Rector thing is what made me vote for Jerry Brown (!) in the 1992 California primary.

Can somebody, anyfuckingbody, go on CNN, and smack down the repugnant Lieberdem,Lanny Davis? Can you believe this guy? Sorry pal,but you lost your ability to credibly weigh in on Democratic politics when you , with great alacrity,supported the LOSER of the Democratic primary in CT.Lanny (fuck democratic primary voters) Davis shows as much contempt for Democrats now,as he did while shilling for proud McCain supporter, Joe Lieberman then. We dont give a fuck what you have to say, because, frankly, its none of your business.

The Rector thing is what made me vote for Jerry Brown (!) in the 1992 California primary.

Posted by Kevin | March 8, 2008 1:53 AM

I voted for Brown myself in the '92 Dem primary in MA. Ironically, we beat Clinton!

Samantha Power was right to step down. Her comments were out of line and really unfair to monsters.

I voted for Brown myself in the '92 Dem primary in MA. Ironically, we beat Clinton!

Just think of this: our host was 10 years old during that primary season.

Ugh.

Ricky Ray Rector?

Of all the bad things the Clintons did, that's a really, really dumb example to cite.

From Wikipedia:

"After killing a man in a nightclub, he would later shoot a police officer in the back with whom he had agreed to turn himself in. He then shot himself in the head in an apparent suicide attempt. The attempt left him effectively lobotomized."

Get it? The retardation exception to the death penalty shouldn't apply to people like Rector who become retarded _after_ they commit two capital murders, and become retarded by shooting themselves in the head.

"And as far as I know, Hillary is not a lesbian."

You're going to be really surprised then when the Republicans reveal that she's been in a long term lesbian relationship with Huma Abedin - an ARAB! - who is probably a Mossad "swallow" to boot.

Google if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I can't wait to see the Clinton supporters tell us she's been "vetted" for THAT one!

Since someone earlier mentioned that they saw Hillary knock the head off of The Statue Of Liberty - which to me is a clear reference to the recently released "monster movie" - "Cloverfield."

I offer to the world community - "Clintonfield."

If you oppose the death penalty, you may find Clinton's actions re Rector offensive, because he made a show of going back to Arkansas to oversee the execution. If you support the death penalty, or are neutral about it -- and when Yglesias is busy trolling good earnest liberals rather than trolling Clinton supporters, he certainly gives this impression -- then Steve Sailer is correct (ugh).

Rector murdered a couple of people, including a police officer he had agreed to "surrender" to, and then blew a hole in his own brain in a failed suicide attempt. That's what made him retarded.

I'm an Obama supporter who has found the "arguments" of Clinton supporters maddening, but our host has certainly become more and more hackish in recent weeks.

Quick! Somebody better call a wah-mbulance. This is some epic melodramatic preening, even by the high hackish standards set so far by MY and Sullivan.

If the situations were reversed, MY and the rest of the cheerleading cult would swap their judgments faster than you can say hypocrite. For all the demonization and shit they throw on the Clintons, Obama supporters sure are a delicate and sensitive bunch when it comes to receiving the same trash they dish out on a regular basis.

And a clear statement from you that you won't vote for The Monster in the general election in the event that she wins the nomination would be very helpful at this point.

Signed.

Can't wait to tell my mother, who of course supports "it" and is all too personally acquainted with the true social and economic consequences of applied sexism (for which her two sons suffered right along with her).

This stuff really saddens me. Power made a really dumb comment that carried with it obviously dehumanizing overtones, and denying that simply betrays an agenda of special pleading. Probably she made it because emotions are running high in this campaign, and I understand that, but I don't understand folks like MY attempting coldly and "grammtically" to justify the remark afterwards. I've said this before on this site and at others, but each side can criticize the other without name-calling and without resort to personal attacks that do no one any good. MY is WAY better than an excitable troll like Sullivan, and I'd say the same for all of us, so let's not descend into fever swamp territory.

Though I have to say this - as much as I despise the Monster, and as unwavering as I am in my decision not to vote for her if she wins the nomination, two minutes on Instapundit's site (I can't stand any more than that) certainly makes you wonder a bit.
While I can get all sorts of pissed off at Clinton, the fact is that the possibility of spiting her Republican detractors is too much of a temptation for me to resist voting for her in the general election. Think how much it would make Glen suffer! Any disappointment I might feel in seeing Obama lose the nomination is far outweighed by the possible joy I'd feel in watching right-wingers heads explode when they realize they have to deal with a president hillary.

So LarryM: consider the spite vote.

Even the Monster-supporters should be fans of Samantha Power. She'll arguably the highest-ranking leftist in a foreign policy position since the 60s. A Democratic presidency with continued neocon foreign policy advisers is no great victory.

Regardless of your primary affiliation, anybody on the left should think that torpedoing Power's career really, really sucks.

We need more Samantha Powers and fewer Ken Pollacks.

Barbar:

If you support the death penalty, or are neutral about it -- and when Yglesias is busy trolling good earnest liberals rather than trolling Clinton supporters, he certainly gives this impression -- then Steve Sailer is correct (ugh).

It's an example of Clinton's compassionate conservativsm. From Wikipedia also:

"Rector seemed incapable of understanding his pending death sentence. For his last meal, he left the pecan pie on the side of the tray, telling the guards who came to take him to the execution chamber that he was saving it "for later."

"In 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court banned the execution of people with mental retardation in Atkins v. Virginia, ruling that the practice constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. Rector was African-American, adding to racial questions relating to the death penalty."

So Clinton flies back to Arkansas in the middle of the campaign to oversee the execution of a retarded black man, and ten years later the US Supreme Court outlaws the practice, ruling it constitutes curel and unusual punishment.

Amen to that, Luke, on more Power and less Pollack. Hey, that sounds like a nice slogan! Seriously, her book is brilliant on our wonderfully indifferent and sometimes enabling attitude to genocide in this century and well worth anyone's time. I suspect that an Obama administration would find a place for her (maybe National Security Advisor), and I'd be proud if it did. Regardless of whether you feel her resignation was warranted, I think anyone who's looked at her work would conclude that we need more thoughtful people like her helping our leaders make non-lunatic decisions that will affect the world. I thought her comment was dumb, but she certainly isn't, and the Village could certainly use actual smart people instead of those the MSM think are smart.

Ack. Reading that the word "monster" has "obviously dehumanizing overtones," but that I am the one with "an agenda of special pleading," makes me conclude that I'm just not going to be able to have a conversation with Clinton supporters until this whole thing is done.

And please: Spare us all the slippery suppositions that if the shoe had been on the other foot all us Obama supporters would be calling for a Clinton resignation. I don't remember a conference call demanding that Bob Kerrey step down for saying the word "madrassah," which is a whole lot more deliberate and dangerous than "monster.". There aren't a lot of Americans of voting age who are still afraid of monsters, after all.

And you know the reason you didn't hear Obama call for Kerrey's resignation? Because that kind of focus group, conference call, manufactured outrage, silly season stuff is precisely the kind of dumb and demeaning politics that Obama is explicitly rejecting. You know, that "change" that Hillary Clinton she would be better at delivering.

Jack:

To be specific, I hold no brief for whether Power (whom I respect a lot for her work) should or shouldn't have resigned. What I object to, from whatever quarter they come, are remarks that demonize and dehumanize those with whom we disagree. Her remark, which one can certainly understand in some sense as being ill-judged and prompted by the heat of the moment, fell in that category, and I object to it. I also object to guys like Bob Kerry making sneaky and sleazy anti-Muslim implications, or Bob Johnson and Bill Shaheen "wondering" in a cheap and disgusting way what Obama was doing in those years when he used drugs. Bullshit is bullshit and isn't justified by the name or allegiance of the person shoveling it.

As it happens I'm actually rather agnostic about this race. To the extent that I defend the Clinton lady it's only because I like to argue and - at least in the blogosphere - she's the underdog.

I take for granted the prospect that politicians running for national office who might actually have a chance at being elected to national office will do bad things; this does not absolve them of wrongdoing.

But with these things in mind can I point out that Bill Clinton is not running for president now. What this means seems obvious: she can't take responsibility for his accomplishments, not can she be blamed for the bad things he did. She's been a different sort of senator than he was a president and while this "Clintons" stuff is kind of entertaining to read (coming from the left) someone with more clout than me is eventually going to say (if they haven't already) something like: women are not what their husbands do and to suggest the Clinton lady is is an old sexist canard.

Well that's just bullshit, Linus.

If she goes on day after day after day talking about her 25 years of experience (and I've heard that every day for weeks) and runs on her husbands record what you are suggesting is that it's sexist to believe her. It would also help if everyone running her campaign weren't the exact same fucking people that left the Clinton administration seven years ago.

scottreads---

That's all well and good, but I utterly fail to see how the word "monster" is dehumanizing. Demonizing seems to have a lower threshold through overuse by the O'Reillys of the world, but dehumanization is something we talk as denying equal dignity to other people and typically as justification for treating them differently. Y'know, Hutu and Tutsi stuff. Were Samantha Power to try and dehumanize Hillary Clinton, I have to imagine the expert on genocide would have a more effective vocabulary.

"Monster" is a word I think of to complete the sentences "I know it's for the best, but I still liked Cookie ____ more before CTW got worried about eating disorders" and "Evan Longoria seems primed to have a ____ rookie season." Now there's the serial killer movie of that title, too, but I think the strongest case one could make would be that the word "monster" is at least susceptible to a negative meaning, given the proper context.

In this context? An off-the-cuff remark no one is alleging Power made deliberately? And which she immediately tried to remove from the record? During a segment of the interview when she was regretting the outcome in Ohio and complaining about the primary tactics of her campaign's opponents? This isn't a comparison to a creature like Grendel (whose dehumanization made his destruction lamentably necessary). It's not even a comparison to a newly (and regrettably) judicious blue muppet.

her 25 years of experience

Ed, it's actually 35 years. Don't forget Hillary's days on the Wal-Mart board as a union busting ball breaker as well as her days as First Lady of both Arkansas and the US when she earned her keep fighting off bimbo eruptions. You just can't buy experience like that.

By the way, Samantha Power is supposed to be an expert advisor on diplomacy, so her calling an important person a "monster" might call into question her diplomatic bona fides.

Second, it's fun to see Matt get all in a huff over the forced resignation of Samantha Power, with her incredibly impressive list of accomplishments, whatever they might be precisely, when he has meticulously avoided giving us his opinion for months on the forced resignation under rather similar circumstances of somebody whose main (but hardly only accomplishment) was co-discovering the structure of DNA, somebody who ranks #68 on The Atlantic's 2006 survey of top historians of the most influential Americans of all time.

If she wins the nomination, I'll write in Obama.

I will not vote for Clinton. No way.

"By the way, Samantha Power is supposed to be an expert advisor on diplomacy, so her calling an important person a "monster" might call into question her diplomatic bona fides."

Really? You remember a guy called John Bolton?

Head of our UN diplomatic mission?

Guy the North Koreans called a "scumbag"?

Listened to any of the crap State puts out about Iran?

Anything about Ahmadinejad?

Get serious. The term "monster" was used to denigrate Clinton as somebody who would do anything to win the nomination. That was an ACCURATE summation of Clinton in one word.

I like diplomatic types who can do accurate summations of a situation in one word.

The whole brouhaha is bullshit.

let us not forget that ms. powers first forays into the study of foreign policy and diplomacy were about the rwanda genocide the details of which her pulitzer prize-winning book covered. given the clintons maneuvering around to keep from doing anything to relieve the crisis, i find it regrettable but understandable that ms. powers would be so ready to label mrs. clinton with the epithet "monster." the actions of the clinton administration with respect to the rwandan genocide were monstrous.


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