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Filling Up

17 Mar 2008 02:12 pm

Brad DeLong discusses the factors that led to the late housing boom and includes factor number four "The filling-up of America so that you can no longer build a detached single-family house within half-an-hour's driving time of the interesting places people want to be, and the consequent rise both in current location premia and expected future location premia." It seems to me that if you look at escalating prices for apartments and row houses in New York City or Washington, DC it's not reasonable to see this "filling-up" phenomenon as limited to the issue of detached single-family houses. The problem issue the traffic which is bad everywhere anyone wants to be.

Part of the rah-rah media atmosphere of the boom years was that price increases were defined as "good," which meant that anything that led to price increases, including a tightening supply of places where one could live and then swiftly get around to interesting spots, was also defined as good. In the real world, though, a shortage of desirably located dwellings is no more a good thing than is any other kind of shortage. The question is what can be done about it?

The good news is that a large part of the answer is just to stop shooting ourselves in the feet. Building homes is, of course, an expensive enterprise. But as America's economy has grown, housing, defined literally, has gotten more affordable. That's why people live in bigger homes with better appliances than they used to have. The scarcity doesn't come from the fact that we can't afford to increase the supply of dwellings; the problem is that it's really hard to get permission to increase the supply of dwellings that are in the locations where people want to live.

This is nice for incumbent homeowners in the exact location in question, but from a social point of view it's perverse and ultimates makes everyone's life worse. If we just let people build and buy in the spots where demand is ultra-high, then more people could conduct a higher proportion of their business on foot or on bike and the overall increase in the number of people who could fit within Brad's 30 minute travel radius before it got "filled up" would be much higher.

On top of that, there's the politically more difficult issue of reorienting our transportation policies away from the goal of increasing the aggregate land area and toward maximizing the number of people able to enjoy a high quality of life rather than lengthy commutes and frequent traffic jams. That means maintaining our roads better, and putting a price on using them at peak times. It means building more sidewalks and bike lanes and rapid transit options. Yes, this stuff is expensive. But we've had expensive transportation projects in the past (the interstates, the NYC subway, etc.) and the country is, overall, much richer than ever. Under the circumstances, it's absurd for us to reconcile ourselves to ever-worsening congestion problems and ever-growing scarcity of favorably located housing. These problems don't arise just because a country "fills up," they arise because we're not responding to economic growth and population growth in an intelligent way.

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"The question is what can be done about it?"

Let real estate prices fall until they hit a market-clearing price. Resist the temptation to prop up the values of current homeowners' houses, at the expense of future homeowners. The sooner the real estate market reaches equilibrium and the inventory of unsold homes is cleared, the sooner we'll put the real estate bust behind us.

...as America's economy has grown, housing, defined literally, has gotten more affordable.

Is this true? My understanding is that housing for large segments of the population is more expensive then it used to be. Of the top of my head the $60,000 Katrina trailers, the lack of SROs for the poor, the scarcity of small square footage homes -- it's my impression that housing is more expensive then it has been in the past. Adjusted for inflation the cabins build for those displaced by the 1906 San Francisico earthquake cost $3,000. There's a famous graph from the NYT by Yale economist Robert Schiller showing historic housing prices (2006) and we're in a historic high period.

http://www.investingintelligently.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/a_history_of_home_values.png

I'm also pretty sure that much of the existing square footage has very little utility. What utility does a 3,000 sq.ft. home have beyond a 1,500 sq.ft. home? Not much.

Fred, the current backlog is something like 1 year plus worth of houses.

While I happen to agree with you, should Toll Brothers just go ahead and call a one year holiday?

Well, maybe that huge inventory of unsold homes will end up just getting filled by millions of squatters who've been evicted from their current ones.

Problem solved!

In a period of flat general inflation, over the past 10-15 years, construction costs have come close to doubling. This despite increased use of undocumented workers and non-union labor. Some part of this can probably be ascribed to skilled labor scarcity - we've been building a lot more houses, and while digging and drywalling are easily-acquired skills, wiring and plumbing are not.

But the bottom line is that you can only get shitty construction for under $120/SF (more, of course, in the built-up areas where Matt believes only EEEVIL zoning is a constraint). In 1990, $120/SF got you pretty much good-quality, custom construction. Now, that level of quality starts at $200, and if there's anything unusual, you're looking at $250-300/SF.

Again, none of those numbers is directly affected by zoning or life/safety regulations* (while the codes have been rewritten, there's been only marginal changes to the substance of residential building codes in the timeframe I'm discussing). It's some combination of material increases (for instance, steel has seen two huge jumps in the past 10 years, while lumber costs more for less quality every year) and, again, labor scarcity.

I might add that, square footage aside, you're not seeing meaningful improvements in construction quality for the price - it's the same wood stud, drywall, double-glazed windows that have been industry standard for almost 30 years now.

* Contractors certainly like to bitch about these things, but that's because contractors like to bitch about anything they don't directly control.

"This is nice for incumbent homeowners in the exact location in question, but from a social point of view it's perverse and ultimates makes everyone's life worse."

As an incumbent homeowner, I think you're dead wrong. Living packed like a sardine in Manhattan would not make my life one bit better.

JRoth, that's interesting about lumber costs, assuming that's not just ordinary inflation. When I was in school I did some forestry economics work and there was a huge difference between the 80s and previous, when every small town in Washington and Oregon had a sawmill chugging away and the Cascade Mountains looked like they had mange because of all the clearcuts, and today, where the lumber economy doesn't exist on anywhere near the same scale. Overcutting the good wood, tightening environmental regulations (especially rulings on the spotted owl, the Endagered Species Act and the Clean Water Act), and the fact that you could cut down giant trees and pay loggers next to nothing in Indonesia or Chile or wherever, compelled the logging companies to cut back at home and ramp up overseas. From an environmental standpoint it has been a mixed blessing (remaining forests preserved here, virgin forests chopped down over there) but when I did my studies there hadn't been too much in the way of price changes for lumber despite the trend towards overseas trees.

But let's say lumber prices are now on a permanent upward trend because there's only so much wood out there and we're never going to be able to match previous supply (sort of a Peak Wood theory). If that's the case, and wood costs are a large part of the final sticker price on a home, we can expect home prices to rise consistently, above inflation, over the long term (while allowing for temporary downturns like the current housing bust, which has nothing to do with the price of lumber). Interesting to think about what that might mean for future housing policies, not to mention environmental laws.

Living packed like a sardine in Manhattan would not make my life one bit better. Living liked a packed sardine in your car is way better

Speaking as one of the sardines, the problem is that there are so many people who do want to pack themselves into the can. I only wish Steven was more typical.

This is an issue where I'd really like to see some serious analysis done. I believe -- intuitively -- that Brad DeLong is right about the importance of the "location premium." I also suspect that in my generation we're experiencing a new sort of anxiety, where people can feel "priced out" of cities or whole regions. I.e., there are large swaths of California where I couldn't expect to live at anything remotely approaching my current standard of living.

Matt's response to this is complex and wonky, and I'm inclined to respect it. But I still wonder if there isn't a simpler answer. For instance, might it not be the case that the country really is just "filling up" too fast? Too many people?

I think the key question is how you define the phrase Matt tosses around, "interesting places people want to be." You could assume that as the population of the country increases, the number of "interesting" places should also increase proportionally. In which case the problem can be addressed the kind of mass-transit-high-density-development solution Matt is now promoting . . . and that I too was enthusiastic about when I was 26.

But I'm not sure this is actually true. I think there may be some inflexible limits on "interesting places to live," having to do with climate, terrain, etc. In which case increasing population does, at some point, create decreasing quality of life. Especially if we have to figure in the preferences of people who are more like 36 (ish) -- who tend to prefer a suburban yard to a penthouse, or a flophouse.

The problem is simple -- lots are too big. Except in NY and San Diego, single family homes are at nowhere near the density which they could be at, and many are one-story ranches.

Separately, people don't need 1500 sq ft/person if they have access to parks, recreation, etc. It's increasingly difficult to find a 1500-2000 square foot house on a reasonably small lot. Bring back the bungalow!

I'm not sure what Matt is going for here. How do you define 30 minutes "driving time of the interesting places people want to be"? If that is referring to "downtown", then this is a purely region thing. Many cities have ghettos less than 30 minutes from downtown. Look at Chicago, New York, Milwaukee, Cleveland, etc. These are places were equity has, adjusted for inflation, dropped over the last 30 years. Not everywhere is NY or DC Metro. So to some extent I can't really agree with Matt's sentiments here. People aren't being priced out of close neighborhoods, they are being priced out of the moderate suburbs outside the core city, and moving further out into the exurbs. Oftentimes these people are so detached from the core city that it is no longer a desireable "interesting place to be" for them.

Sorry, I meant to type "Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland.."

"Premia" is a travesty.

Are we allowed to draw a connection between overcrowding and illegal immigration? Seeing as immigration is the major source of population growth in this country?

For those reading for comprehension:

The problem issue the traffic which is bad everywhere anyone wants to be.

would become

The problem issue: the traffic which is bad everywhere anyone wants to be.

Of course, it's still not a complete sentence. But at least now you won't die of hunger while trying to make sense of it.

Re: Except in NY and San Diego, single family homes are at nowhere near the density which they could be at, and many are one-story ranches.

You can add much of S Florida to that list. Land is at a premium here so even the wealthy have only modest-sized lots.

Re: People aren't being priced out of close neighborhoods, they are being priced out of the moderate suburbs outside the core city

But where is that even happening? Not on the outskirts of Detroit or Cleveland! Sure there's Grosse Pointe and Shaker Hts, but most of the inner ring surburbs are rather run-down themselves. It's the farther-out burbs that have seen the biggest price appreciations: Check out Bloomfield Hills or Ann Arbor. And one thing to remember is that most people do NOT work downtown these days (except maybe in the DC or NYC areas). Most people work in other suburbs. So there's really no location premium in most metro areas. what there is, is a premium for living in subdivisions that are too pricey for the rif-raf to live in (and send their brats to school in). It's still all about schools and, underlying that, about white flight-- not just from Blacks, as some Blacks have even joined the flight, but from lower income people in general, including immigrants.

I'm all in favor of building subways, etc., but let's be realistic -- they will take decades to put a dent in traffic (e.g., consider LA's 25 years of subway history) and cost enormous sums.

In the meantime, what can we do to "just to stop shooting ourselves in the feet"?

One thing we can do over a shorter time frame while we're waiting around to rebuild our urban areas along Matt's preferences is to reduce immigration.

Sure. It would be great to invest in all these transit projects, sidewalks, quality roads, bike paths, etc. But we are never going to have the funds for it, when we are spending 44% of federal tax revenues on the elderly.

Re mq and Sailer: Because, of course, it's recent and/or illegal immigrants who are crowding all those desirable neighborhoods and driving up prices so I can't afford to live there. Welcome to Bizarro World!

Re Z: I think you need to go back and take a look at a military budget obscenely inflated to several times what's needed to defend against any conceivable conventional military threat, and useful only as a tool for projecting imperial power. And then further exacerbated by an insane, unending war.

"Re mq and Sailer: Because, of course, it's recent and/or illegal immigrants who are crowding all those desirable neighborhoods and driving up prices so I can't afford to live there. Welcome to Bizarro World!"

Driving up the prices in one area causes people in that area who rent and/or haven't yet bought their house to more readily consider moving to other areas, driving up the prices of those other area's housing by extension. It's a more connected system than simply a plethora of completely unconnected, local housing markets.

scottynx, it simply doesn't work like that. Read freddiemac's comment. I live in exurbs east of Cleveland. The fact that there are a bunch of illegal Mexican plant nursery workers (without who the economically important nursery industry in Lake County would collapse, by the way) living in basements in the city of Painesville has zero effect on the price of my condo a few miles away in Perry Township. The people who live near me didn't move from Painesville.

Generally speaking there are two basic modes of living that are acceptable to people, and either one can provide a high quality of life: 1. urban living and 2. rural/suburban/small town living. Historically, America was based on a rural/suburban/small town model where most people derived their quality of life from their private property and private space, which was ample in terms of big back yard, several vehicles, a garden out back, neighbors who don't live right on top of you, etc. However, now that the county is "filling up", land values are rising, asphalt and wood are expensive, and the era of cheap oil is over, ample private property is no longer affordable, and the "American Dream" has become impossible for most people. The costs of building communities has risen to the point where something has to give: either people in America give up on the standard "american dream" or we give up public goods like parks, social programs, softball leagues, and public transit that we don't have the tax revenue to pay for, while at the same time taking out second mortgages to pay for gas at the pump and energy to heat your 3000 sq foot home. Something's gotta give.

The other option is to switch to the urban mode. When people live in dense environments with smaller homes and fewer private possessions, public goods, which are expensive to provide, become possible to afford on the community level. This makes dense living enjoyable. The problem with most americans is that they associate dense living with ghettos, and they don't even understand the benefits that can come along with it.

Luckily, urban living is becoming increasingly popular as America evolves culturally. The young generation want to live in a "location" with character and culture. They are willing to trade the rural/suburban/small town mode of private property enjoyment for an urban living mode where public goods are the source of enjoyment.

Unfortunately, as these two modes of living collide, we have a situation where we are trying to pay for both modes of living, and its just impossible and its driving us bankrupt. We have a large segment of the market demanding large homes, three cars, and 8-lane roads, while at the same time demanding parks, transit, social programs, bike lanes, etc. We just can't pay for it all. So we have to decide which way we want to go, and I'm hoping that the urban mode of living wins out.

Of course we could pay for it all, and then some- if we had our priorities straight. See under budget, military.

> Historically, America was based on a
> rural/suburban/small town model where most people
> derived their quality of life from their private
> property and private space, which was ample in
> terms of big back yard, several vehicles, a garden
> out back, neighbors who don't live right on top
> of you, etc.

As long as you define "historically" to exclude the period 1870-1949, when the basis for much of the wealth we enjoy today was established in big dense cities, sure.

Cranky

Steve LaBonne,
Some of the people that rent out basements may be near the margin of deciding to rent out low-end trailer parks. It just depends on the relative prices. Thus, they connect the basement market to the low-end trailer park market. Some people a little better off are near the margin of deciding on low-end trailer parks or low-end apartments, depending on relative prices. Thus, they connect the low-end trailer park market to the low end apartment markets. Some people a little better off than that are at the margin of deciding between low end apartments and low end houses, depending on the relative prices. Thus, they connect those markets.

The story goes on and on all the way up to expensive penthouses and multi-million dollar mansions. The same story goes for locations too. So yes, I'd say that even immigration of people that can only afford to live in crummy basements can contribute to driving up housing costs for everyone. But regardless, dirt poor aren't the only people who immigrate anyway.

I live here, you don't, and you have absolutely NO idea what you're blathering about. (Like all monomaniacs.)

It seems to me that if you look at escalating prices for apartments and row houses in New York City or Washington, DC it's not reasonable to see this "filling-up" phenomenon as limited to the issue of detached single-family houses. The problem issue the traffic which is bad everywhere anyone wants to be.

I don't think NYC and DC are the places anyone wants to be. People are fleeing the NE region. The NE grew at 5.5% from 1990-2000. The South grew at 17.3% and the West grew at 19.7%. Even the Midwest grew faster at 7.9%

The densely populated NYC metro area grew by only 8.4% from 1990-2000. DC metro grew 13.1%. In contrast, sprawling cities like Dallas-FW grew by 29.3% and Phoenix-Mesa grew by 45.3%! Metropolitan areas around Boston (6.7%) and Philly (5.0%) grew about as fast as Detroit (5.2%).

Cities with a population of over 5 million people grew at 10.8% while cities with populations of 2-5 million grew nearly twice as fast at 19.8%. Cities of 1-2 million grew at 17.7%.

The census data does not back up the idea that people want to live in dense metro areas and I don't see using NYC and DC as models of urban planning.

Are people blaming the high cost of real estate on illegal immigrants? Really? Gah. I mean, what is the logic, exactly? There is plenty of room to build in this country, its actually very sparse in the west. The problem is not overpopulation.

The high cost of real estate in the suburbs/exurbs, which is falling rapidly, was driven by a speculative bubble. The high cost of real estate in NY/DC/SF (and other cities to a lesser extent) is driven by supply and demand. (very high demand, very low supply). The low supply of housing in SF (where I live) is driven by a combination of factors, not the least of which is the fact that the place is very dense and completely developed, so adding supply requires demolishing existing stock and increasing density or rezoning and expanding residential and the cost of removing the places people work, possibly turning a SF into an urban bedroom community for the south bay. Not simple, not cheap and not driven by illegal immigration!

Are people blaming the high cost of real estate on illegal immigrants? Really? Gah. I mean, what is the logic, exactly? There is plenty of room to build in this country, its actually very sparse in the west. The problem is not overpopulation.

The high cost of real estate in the suburbs/exurbs, which is falling rapidly, was driven by a speculative bubble. The high cost of real estate in NY/DC/SF (and other cities to a lesser extent) is driven by supply and demand. (very high demand, very low supply). The low supply of housing in SF (where I live) is driven by a combination of factors, not the least of which is the fact that the place is very dense and completely developed, so adding supply requires demolishing existing stock and increasing density or rezoning and expanding residential and the cost of removing the places people work, possibly turning a SF into an urban bedroom community for the south bay. Not simple, not cheap and not driven by illegal immigration!

I post a reply to this at the Transportationist blog. The assumptions underlying "interesting places" and 30 minute commute times are misleading.

"I live here, you don't, and you have absolutely NO idea what you're blathering about. (Like all monomaniacs.)"

No Steve LaBonne. You simply have absolutely no comprehension of marginal decision making (or you are willfully ignoring the concept for whatever reason). To you it seems, all people have one concrete category of tenancy that they are dead set on living in and no one ever makes decisions on the margin about where-to-live/what-to-live-in based on dynamically changing differential prices between multiple categories of rental/housing units.

Again, even if we hypothetically do concede your ludicrous point that all dirt-poor immigrants, and only dirt-poor immigrants, are dead set on living in basements, and only basements no matter how relative prices of other choices change, could you at least acknowledge that we let in some affluent immigrants?

I don't have mono-mania on immigration, but you seem to have willful mono-dementia on the subject.

Scottynx probably blames illegal immigrants for dragging down the incomes of college professors, real-estate agents, stockbrokers, and corporate executives, too. Because, you know, the labor market is all interconnected and everything.

I don't think NYC and DC are the places anyone wants to be. People are fleeing the NE region. The NE grew at 5.5% from 1990-2000. The South grew at 17.3% and the West grew at 19.7%. Even the Midwest grew faster at 7.9%

Yes, the fact that people are leaving upstate NY and moving into NYC proves that nobody wants to live in urban areas! Moving from "dense urban areas" to "regions" is not at all a ridiculous non-sequitur! It would also be nice if you would explain how housing prices in NYC and DC and SF are so high when nobody wants to live there...

I don't think NYC and DC are the places anyone wants to be. People are fleeing the NE region. The NE grew at 5.5% from 1990-2000. The South grew at 17.3% and the West grew at 19.7%. Even the Midwest grew faster at 7.9%

Yes, the fact that people are leaving upstate NY and moving into NYC proves that nobody wants to live in urban areas! Moving from "dense urban areas" to "regions" is not at all a ridiculous non-sequitur! It would also be nice if you would explain how housing prices in NYC and DC and SF are so high when nobody wants to live there...

People from upstate having been leaving for 30 years and not all are moving to NYC. In the 90's, NC and VA were popular destinations. Those who don't enjoy snow are now going to CA and AZ. There has also been a small influx of Long Islanders, usually empty nesters, moving to Ithaca, new developments outside of Syracuse, and a few other places along the Finger Lakes supposedly to escape property taxes and congestion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/13/nyregion/13census.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

Punditus Maximus is right. Lot size and smart land use can lead to environments that are pedestrian and bike friendly while everyone still has a backyard and privacy. I always use Portland as an example. The east side of the city is filled with the same dwellings that you would find in any suburban area: single family homes, duplexes, small apartment complexes. But the small lot size and urban planning has allowed for neighborhoods to have their own commercial centers within walking or biking distance.
These commerical centers have therefore become the areas around which people want to live, not necessarily downtown. So we have small mixed use development being constructed way outside of the urban core where people can live without a car.
But Portland also has good public transportation, which is a key element.

Yes, the fact that people are leaving upstate NY and moving into NYC proves that nobody wants to live in urban areas!

If this is indeed a fact I would expect you to prove it. The fact is that the native born (American) population of NYC declined 1% from 1990-2000.

squeakyrat: "Scottynx probably blames illegal immigrants for dragging down the incomes of college professors, real-estate agents, stockbrokers, and corporate executives, too. Because, you know, the labor market is all interconnected and everything."

There is a fixed amount of land. I simply agree with Brad Delong about: "The filling-up of America". America didn't fill up with people out of thin air with fertility rates being at the level they have been since the 70's. Immigration is the key.

The fact is that the native born (American) population of NYC declined 1% from 1990-2000.

Interesting, but what's the baseline? What was the percent increase or decrease "native born (American) population of NYC" from 1980 to 1990, or from 1970 to 1980? I'm pretty sure that the bulk of population growth in cities has come from immigration (to the city, not necessarily the country) not since 1990 but since the middle ages.

I'm pretty sure that the bulk of population growth in cities has come from immigration

This is not true. Cities in the NE have seen an exodus of native born residents, while cities in the South and West have seen an influx of native born residents from 1990-2000. For example, Boston (-1%), NYC (-1%), and Philly (2%) have stagnated (except for foreign born immigrants) while populations in Atlanta (30%), Phoenix (35%), and Orlando (27%) have grown drastically through native born relocation. Of course, the most dramatic growth of any city in America over this time period was Las Vegas (131%).

I realize that I didn't address your baseline concerns but I didn't want to put the time in as this thread is probably dead.


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