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The National Security Primary

03 Mar 2008 04:22 pm

Peter Daou, a very sharp thinker who heads up Hillary Clinton's new media workshop, offered-up a post to the blogosphere arguing:

The Democrat who eventually faces Sen. McCain will require a set of skills and experiences that enables them to:
  • compete on a broad playing field;
  • confront and beat back a GOP attack machine waiting to tear them down;
  • put forth and defend core Democratic ideas - and ideals - such as universal health care;
  • build a solid coalition for victory;
  • and importantly, stand toe-to-toe with Sen. McCain on national security.
Hillary excels on each of these fronts. [On the last point, my blogosphere friends know that I spent most of 2004 in the Kerry-Edwards war room and gained some perspective on how national security -- an issue Democrats cannot and will not cede -- takes center stage in a general election.]

I think there's some merit to some of those points, but the point about national security is close to the theme of my book and I think Daou has this basically wrong. In 2004, John Kerry argued that the combination of him being more hawkish than Howard Dean and his personal story gave him a decisive edge vis-a-vis Dean. Even in retrospect, that's maybe correct. But if you control for the fact that Obama is a much more charismatic figure and effective orator than Dean, that Kerry's personal qualities where a decorated military career plus long service in the Senate rather than having been the president's wife, and that the war in Iraq is much less popular now than it was four years ago, the basic calculus seems very wrongheaded to me.

Now Kerry, for all his flaws, actually did come pretty close in 2004 so a Kerry-esque strategy plus economic distress just might work in 2008. And, of course, an attempt to draw a clear line of contrast on questions of doctrine might fail. But I, for one, would like to see it given a try. This is especially true because I think Obama is closer to correct on the merits of the underlying issue. But in political terms, a critique focused on implementation issues is going to be a lot less persuasive when directed at John McCain than it was at George W. Bush.

Obama will have a clear shot at making a simple argument that Bush's ideas have led to bad consequences, McCain shares Bush's ideas, and Obama has different ones. McCain will, of course, push back and say that Obama's ideas are wrongheaded and dangerous. But I actually have some faith in the power of liberal ideas and in the demonstration effect of the all-too-visible consequences of the alternative. Clinton, by contrast, continues to show a proclivity for either the politics of fear or else the politics of timidity.

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"plus economic distress just might work in 2008"

Let's root for theeconomy to get worse so my candidate wins.

You said it, Matt. The Dems can't cede national security at all -- and the best way to make the argument is to say that keeping ourselves safe means not committing ourselves to more wars than we can handle and more battles than we can win. That is a fundamentally different message than the one McCain has.

Clinton does not have a fundamentally different message than McCain on national security. Since she doesn't, it'll just be a case of, well, if I agree with this message, then who will I trust to carry it out. And the answer will be McCain.

Daou's thinking reflects exactly what I expect from Clinton in the fall, if she's there in the fall: "I'm kind of like McCain on national security, but with me you get the economy my husband had." It's essentially a defensive, defeatist posture that didn't work for Kerry and won't do anything to get base voters excited. The antiwar majority deserves at least one choice on the November ballot.

It would seem that Obama has shown he has a leg up when it comes to building a solid coalition to victory(a common Obama talking point), and being able to compete on a broad playing field. Clinton and her campaign have repeated more than once their inability to compete in certain states and demographics. Obama seems to be able to put up a competetive fight in any arena.

It would seem that Obama has shown he has a leg up when it comes to building a solid coalition to victory(a common Obama talking point), and being able to compete on a broad playing field. Clinton and her campaign have repeated more than once their inability to compete in certain states and demographics. Obama seems to be able to put up a competetive fight in any arena.

From Howard Dean's lips to MattY's keyboard:

digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/
go-howard-by-dday-from-dnc-email-how.html

While Howard Dean/MattY probably realize in their center of centers that Obama has some issues, they're deluding themselves into believing that those issues won't be raised just McCain has his own related issues and because the GOP is as corrupt as the Democratic Party.

What Howard Dean/MattY are forgetting is that things are much different now than they were in 2004.

For instance, Howie/MattY should watch this video over and over, and realize what would have happened if someone who's familiar with these issues had asked a better question with the more damning information:

youtube.com/watch?v=tIK9ZawRMlg

Imagine someone publicly engaging Obama on his issues and making him look just as bad as possible, and imagine just how many views that's going to get.

It would seem that Obama has shown he has a leg up when it comes to building a solid coalition to victory(a common Obama talking point), and being able to compete on a broad playing field. Clinton and her campaign have repeated more than once their inability to compete in certain states and demographics. Obama seems to be able to put up a competetive fight in any arena.

Let's root for theeconomy to get worse so my candidate wins. Posted by Dave | March 3, 2008

That's what Rove did in 2000. I remember it because it really really pissed me off, they kept saying "the recession is starting" and it wasn't true, but by saying it over and over, that would help it happen.

That said, it's worth reminding that Gore still won the popular vote. I have to say it, I think overall that working "the politics of fear of a crashing economy" historically traditionally helps Democrats. Matter of fact, looking at mid-term races in recent history, when the economy is doing fine, sometimes seems to me that it's almost like people start thinking "lets send some more Republicans back to Congress to get some gridlock going so the Democrats don't start spending too much."

McCain will say that Obama is an advocate of surrender and defeat in Iraq. Obama should answer that McCain doesn't understand that Iraq is in a civil war and we're stuck in the middle. There is no victory and no defeat for the party that is babysitting a civil war; there is only being stuck or getting unstuck. McCain wants to stay stuck. The American people clearly want to get unstuck. If Obama keeps hammering home that difference, he wins.

Anybody who watched John Kerry fumbling campaign has some perspective on how national security can take center stage in a Presidential election. Clinton will be an even more compromised version of John "I voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry.

* compete on a broad playing field
You need 270 EV to win running against McCain or Daffy Duck. It was Clinton who didn't complete in a whole range of states, not Obama. Obama has plausible routes to victory losing OH, PA, and FL. Clinton has none.

* confront and beat back a GOP attack machine waiting to tear them down
How does confronting and beating down the GOP attack machine make my life better? Shouldn't we focus on the issues that confront people instead of endless political fights?

* put forth and defend core Democratic ideas - and ideals - such as universal health care
Obama supports universal health care. A plurality of Clinton supporters oppose her health care mandates and far more than that number among independents.

* build a solid coalition for victory
Obama runs better among independents, Republicans and young voters.

* and importantly, stand toe-to-toe with Sen. McCain on national security
Tex Cobb fought everybody toe-to-toe. He got punched in the face a lot.

I continue to be creeped out by how Sen. Clinton's own people use only her first name in official campaign business. Having a goddamn last name is step 1 on the road to credibility.

Also, "I supported the war until it became unpopular" is not "taking on" McCain in any relevant sense. Clinton acts afraid of him. Obama doesn't. Game, Set, Match.

Surely Hillary fails spectacularly on the very first line of Peter's list: compete on a broad playing field.

She doesn't even try to compete on a broad playing field, and that is why (among other reasons) she won't win the nomination. It would have been good for Hillary to compete in states all across America, but she didn't. She has proven one thing by her campaign, though, she has terrible judgement. She surrounds herself with incompetent people, doesn't listen to dissenting views, has no sense of strategy, and when given every opportunity and advantage to succeed instead fails.

What the heck is Daou smoking?

Hillary can't put together a "broad coalition". She's going to lose white male voters to a greater extent than any Dem Presidential candidate in history, and I don't think she can count on great turnout amongst African-Americans in November. She also can't compete on a "broad playing field", especially after she's told Democratic voters in state after state that they don't count. And anyone who thinks Hillary can stand toe-to-toe with John McCain on national security is deluding themselves.

The GOP has screwed things up so badly that Hillary might win, but EVERY SINGLE THING we've seen so far points to Obama being a stronger general election candidate.

Mike

Hell, I think Daou is making the case for Obama. He's the only candidate (Republican or Democrat) waging a 50-state strategy (item #1). So far he's met every GOP tactic and returned fire the best I've seen by any Democratic candidate (and that includes Senator Clinton); sure there is more to come, but his counter-punching is far better than any Democrat in recent memory (item #2). He's championing Democratic ideals (item #3). His message, which hasn't changed since he entered the race, is all about developing a working majority, something Senator Clinton dismisses on one day and champions on others (item #4). As for national security, she'll be branded a serial flip-flopper on Iraq and other matters, it'll be Kerry part deux; whereas Obama can argue from STRENGTH (item #5).

So, I agree with Daou. Obama's the best candidate based on these criteria.

On the last point, my blogosphere friends know that I spent most of 2004 in the Kerry-Edwards war room and gained some perspective on how national security -- an issue Democrats cannot and will not cede -- takes center stage in a general election.

I seem to recall an old joke that says that in Hollywood, the way you say "Fuck you" is "Trust me." Apparently it's the same in DC. Cripes, why would anyone trust someone employed as a paid hack for HRC?

Sort of OT and perhaps heresy in blogland, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more criticism of Daou's performance in Clinton's campaign. Her online presence seems to consist mainly of alleged cosiness with Drudge and partisans like Taylor Marsh. I don't see the positive aspect of her campaign being stressed much and candidly I think Daou's done an abysmal job.

a critique focused on implementation issues is going to be a lot less persuasive when directed at John McCain than it was at George W. Bush.

Indeed, the "implementation critique" of the Bush foreign policy has been consistently made by John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and... John McCain!

...candidly I think Daou's done an abysmal job.

Posted by cxs | March 3, 2008 5:37 PM

Unless he's responsible for the worst Obamabots, then it's genius! :-)

Clinton will be an even more compromised version of John "I voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry.

Abso-frickin'-lutely. McCain will neutralize Clinton on national security in exactly the same way Bush neutralized Kerry. It amazes me that more Democrats don't see this coming.

If the Dem candidate stands toe to toe with McCain on national security I will stay home on Election Day, and so will millions of other voters who are all tired of hearing this national security bullshit. America is armed to the teeth, threatening the whole world. If we are insecure, it's only because we keep starting wars.

I'd agree that Obama is in a good position to make the liberal case against the mess conservatives have made of America. So why doesn't he do it? There are examples of him speculating about filling his cabinet with Republicans (http://tinyurl.com/2elega) and talking about Social Security shortfalls (http://tinyurl.com/39voco). There are other positions (e.g. gay rights and Donnie McClurkin) that he has taken that aren't particularly liberal or progressive.

He's got the voting record, he's actually in tune with mainstream America, he could shift the country to a better place. He should do it.

What gets me is that Daou is presenting Clinton as if she's running a positive campaign. His big example why Clinton is a good candidate is a phone call by military officers endorsing her.

But a good part of Clinton's campaign has been negative - harping on nonexistent issues like Rezko and NAFTA and plagiarism and saying Obama "wouldn't cover" 15 million Americans and playing it soft on the Muslim smears, etc.

The other main part of the Clinton campaign has been trying to create a backlash against Obama and the media among women. As a woman and feminist, I find this offensive.


John McCain's credentials on "national security" are founded on having been a Navy pilot half a century ago, and having got shot down over Vietnam. By contrast, Randy "Duke" Cunningham was a frigging fighter ACE in the Vietnam war. If we're measuring presidential timber by McCain's yardstick, the GOP ought to nominate the Dukester for president.

-- TP

Let's root for the economy to get worse so my candidate wins.

Voters note that the economy has gotten worse, so my candidate wins.

There, fixed the typo for you.

Daou comes off like a bit of a fool here, but you can only play a bad hand so well. Conversely, I don't think you can say he's done a bad job. The campaign is clearly fucked up beyond all reckoning, and I can't imagine he's had any real control over his shop. If the Iowa operation couldn't get near the amount of staff they knew they needed, it's impossible to imagine that Daou's needs were catered to by the Queen Bee and Jabba the Hut.

It seems that Daou is, like Hillary and a lot of her advisors, starting from a position that McCain is strong on national security, now how do we compete with him.

Which is pretty much exactly what's wrong with Hillary and her advisors on national security.

Unless "strong" means "wrong on Iraq, committed to empire, and willing to throw unlimited money at the military"

Matt opines: "Peter Daou, a very sharp thinker..., offered-up a post to the blogosphere..." which reads: "Hillary excels on each of these fronts."

Thereby proving that Matt is wrong - again - on Daou being "a very sharp thinker."

Next up: Matt decides that John McCain is a "very sharp thinker."

Not to mention that all of Daou's points are, like, "duh!" material.

No, what we really want is a candidate who can't do any of that. Where's the argument for that?

Thought so. So this makes Daou a "very sharp thinker"?

Summer Glau could figure those points out - and she's not a rocket scientist by any means.

If this is the best Clinton can come up with, it's no wonder she's losing.

The basic assumption is that an agenda exists somewhere in the proverbial 'out there' and it's name is national security. No. Barack Obama can set his own campaign agenda for the general election. Despite everything, he has a clear idea of what he wants to achieve and thinks he knows how to do it. What more does he need? McCain just wants to continue Bush. Clinton can't even keep her primary campaign staff under control. Funny that you bring up Peter Daou. I was startled when I read on his Salon site that he would work for Hillary Clinton. Maybe that didn't turn out to be such a good career choice after all. It's time that Democrats stop acting as if the Republicans are super-people who we're supposed to live in fear of. Obama has proved his mettle by taking on the Clinton machine with grace and tact. Clinton is in melddown mode.

If I didn't know which campaign was presenting that list of bullet points I'd guess it was from the Obama campaign. The only give away is the tack on of "universal health care" at the end of Democratic ideas, a point which is arguable by both Dems in the race. Every other point seems to be a stronger Obama position from the results of the campaig; state wins, new voter enrollment, ability to counter without sounding negative, and the iraq vote.

On the one hand you understand Mr. Y's reluctance to plug the Clinton lady's gig: her husband's prominent supporters all seemed to end up dead or in jail (their children presumably banished to that dungeon in the Isle of Jersey).

Still, my mother - famously intuitive (she saw the End of Dean coming before any of you, or me) - thinks this Obama fellow is a phoney, and a player.

...Still, my mother - famously intuitive (she saw the End of Dean coming before any of you, or me) - thinks this Obama fellow is a phoney, and a player. Posted by Linus | March 3, 2008 10:27 PM

I fear your Mom just like a canary in a coal mine, that many others may start having the same feelings in like, oh, six months. I really do hope he has other tricks up his sleeve to avoid it. That Pew poll which Yglesias saw as good tidings for Obama---instead I saw significant numbers who have their minds made up about what both Hillary and McCain are all about, but too many are not sure they know what Obama is about yet.

Linus,

Crikey, just found another canary, this one a colleague. I just finally David Ignatius' op-ed that Yglesias linked to on another thread. Take this outside the context of Ignatius' anti-Obama spin, like Ignatius got it:

"The authentic Barack Obama? We just don't know. The level of uncertainty is too high," one Democratic senator told me last week. He noted that Obama hasn't been involved in any "transformative battles" where he might anger any of the party's interest groups. "If his voting record in the past is the real Barack Obama, then there isn't going to be any bipartisanship," this senator cautioned.

He's basically saying that he can't trust him because he's never been able to get a sense of what he's really up to.

Geez Linus, I just ran across another canary...seems they're popping up allover the place for me:

What to do when you have a soft corner for all three - Sen. McCain, Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama By gudman- March 3, 2008

Being a social liberal, fiscal moderate, and a realist on national security, I find something to admire in all three of them.....

Sen Obama's speech during 2004 Dem Convention appealed to be in the sense that the things that unite us are more consequential than the things that divide us. When he announced, I was rooting for him. He is obviously a motivated and talented man. But, of late, I have cooled on him. My belief is that he is being deceitful on Iraq... He is something new that I cannot put my finger on because I don't have enough data points. If I am in my 20s, I would be in his cult. But having seen the world little longer....

Who should/would I vote ? Only time can untangle my dilemma.

Let's face it--no one really knows what Obama will do, but then all the evidence indicates there wouldn't be too much difference between any of the three contenders on most matters of substance.

None of them are going to condemn their administration to the crash-and-burn scenario that would follow something that looked like a defeat in Iraq, and the options for avoiding one are pretty limited. None of them will willingly allow the country to fall into recession, and the options are similarly limited. All of them are going to have to confront the entitlements meltdown without exacerbating the weakening economy. Etc. Since it's mainly a matter of style points, Obama wins.

It's seems to me that the Dems biggest weakness continues to be national security, which is unavoidable. Most Dem activists are largely disinterested in, ignorant about, and generally negatively disposed towards the military. Best recent example was when many imagined that nominating someone who had served in combat in Vietnam for a few months, however heroically, would count as having national security cred in spite of his being abjectly incoherent on the war the country was actually involved in.


Robert Powell:

I can't speak for "most Dem activists", but some of us non-Republicans don't equate "the military" with "national security" in quite the brain-dead way the GOP does. Not all our security comes from military dominance; not all military operations enhance our security.

I would go a step further: if we Americans live as well as we do because of our military might (instead of, say, intellectual prowess, work ethic, a sensible Constitution, and so on) then we are doomed to repeat the experience of past empires. And deserve to.

-- TP

I can put my finger on what Clinton is doing: running a Republican-style smear and fear campaign. Everything, right down to "stress experience as a main theme", is purely short-sighted - it's a framework which is the least favorable to Democrats. She has shown no strategic vision at all - picking themes that would work in both the primary and the general. Her campaign has antagonized a lot of Democrats, and it has been badly run. In short, she's a disaster waiting to happen in the fall. That's a whole lot more than a canary in a coal mine.

TP:
I agree that "national security" involves a lot more than military strength, that not all military operations enhance our security, and know as well that not all military spending makes the military stronger, and etc. But this is about politics, not military science.

Far more voters with actual military experience, including those having kids in the military, respond to Republican dog whistles about military strength. When Democrats turn up guys like Jim Webb with both, it's a news item. And of course, he used to be a Republican.

I know there are lots of Democrats who served, but they don't seem to be the ones front and center at election time. I don't think we need a highly militarized foreign policy, but it's important for the party to have more than a small and embattled minority that thinks if the US is dragged into a war we should have the ability to win it.

We weren't "dragged" into this war, butthead. We waltzed in, like a nation of musclebound morons. And there is no possible outcome of this mess that can possibly be described as "victory" outside Fantasyland. See, Bobbie, yours is exactly the kind of stupidity that ENDANGERS our security and has already trashed our standing in the world.

The public can't possibly understand and embrace these truths until they actually start HEARING them. And that won't happen as long as Dem candidates keep trying to out-hawk the GOP.

Attached is a link to a column claiming that Senator Obama is not ready for prime time and that the time required to make President Obama ready may not be available.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204473062268&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

If he were "ready" by SLC's screwed-up standards I wouldn't vote for him. We don't need a Democratic President who's "ready" to toe the neocon line. we need a candidate who can explain why they've been DEAD WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING for decades. I actually think Obama needs to get a lot more aggressive about that.

Actually only one thing matters-being able to establish your integrity. The ability and willingness to take head on the slightest attack on your veracity and the willingness to "take the head off" the accuser in this regard is critical. This is where Gore and kerry came up short.

At the behest of the republican party, the conservative brain trust and media mouthpieces are gaming the democratic primary voters into choosing the candidate that McCain can win against in November.
It's as clear as glass; and yet here we go out of some sort of weird loyalty/ fears of the new, going to put HRC at the top of the ticket just in order to have the whole house of cards fall on our heads.

The only way HRC at the top does not lead to Novembergeddon is if Obama somehow is offered the VP slot and somehow accepts; something that I don't see happening on either side.

That said there is always a chance the the conservative fear offensive fails. Hillary has a delegate deficit to make up and even if she sweeps all 4 today (unlikely) she still won't even be infront. So as long as Obama goes on winning 50% of the remaining delegates going forward, he will be nominee. And America will get the fresh leadership and ideas it so desparately needs.

But I actually have some faith in the power of liberal ideas and in the demonstration effect of the all-too-visible consequences of the alternative.

The push back does not have to do with ideas. We leave that to the very serious people (TM) in the foreign policy community and wonkosphere.

The pushback on McCain is that he is endorsed by Bush, supported Bush, supports Bush's style of war - torture, corruption, and profligacy included! If the American people do not connect that McCain = Bush, then Obama will not win.

Northern Observer, I think that Hillary's success as a candidate owes less to conspiracies on the Republican side than it is a simple matter of the Iron Law of Institutions: Hillary's institutional base cares more about their own power within the Democratic party than about the power of the Democratic party itself.

Nominate Hillary, and Terry McAulliffe, Mark Penn, and Harold Ford all get to come back as party power brokers. The possibility of that is more appealing than the risk of losing the election.

I think Tyro's pegged it. When the chips are down, Hillary's been a fully-paid up subscriber to the Paul Krugman/Karl Rove me first, slash-and-burn, politics-as-warfare school. It's appealing to boorish adolescents like Steve LaBonne, for whom the history of the war in Iraq apparently began with the 2000 election, but it's a dead loser with most voters who are, after all, adults. Obama is clearly smart enough to avoid the kind of sanctimonious displays of pique and ignorance that Steve advocates and practices.


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