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The Penn Factor

06 Mar 2008 11:43 am

It seemed to me that Hillary Clinton's ability to finally blunt Barack Obama's momentum somewhere in the Ohio and Texas primaries meant that maybe Mark Penn isn't quite as inept as he seemed. Now comes a weird Washington Post story about how Clinton staffers first celebrated their wins "And then Clinton's advisers turned to their other goal: denying Mark Penn credit." Peter Baker and Ann Kornblut further report:

The depth of hostility toward Penn even in a time of triumph illustrates the combustible environment within the Clinton campaign, an operation where internal strife and warring camps have undercut a candidate once seemingly destined for the Democratic nomination. Clinton now faces the challenge of exploiting this moment of opportunity while at the same time deciding whether the squabbling at her Arlington headquarters has become a distraction that requires her intervention.

It seems to me that the depth of hostility to Penn also illustrates something else -- the depth of Bill and Hillary Clinton's personal and professional allegiance to Mark Penn. He masterminded their re-election campaign in 1996, he was put in charge of steering Hillary Clinton into a New York Senate seat in 2000, they stood by him during 2001 when he was trashing Al Gore and economic populism to everyone who could hear, eagerly snapped him up to be the maestro of the 2008 election, and even though everyone on earth -- including her own staff and supporters -- wants her to ditch this guy, she won't do it. Because Penn's style of political skittishness is, fundamentally, what she and her husband think the lessons of the past few decades support. The strength of Barack Obama's campaign has forced her to shift to the left, but you can always tell that her campaign's at its most comfortable attacking from the right -- altering photographs of Obama, calling diplomacy "naive," getting "tough" on Iran, warning that terrorists will devour your children unless you elect the longest-serving Washington hack available, singing John McCain's praises, etc.

The people working for Clinton who don't like Penn, don't like the idea of a Penn-run campaign, and don't like the idea of a Penn-run administration, all have a simple option available to them -- stop working to elect Mark Penn's candidate.

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stop working to elect Mark Penn's candidate.

Iron law of institutions, big guy. You get ahead by doing what's necessary to get ahead, not by doing what's right or by being right. (This might be a corollary, not the law itself.)

The sad thing is, if she comes back to win this thing, the Mark Penn style of politics will reign supreme for decades.

And you're just talking about Penn in the context of political campaigns. I admire Clinton, and think she'd be a great president, but the fact that she's so close to Penn prevented me from supporting her. Not for reasons of his political strategy so much as for reasons of his personal politics, visible through the lens of his company.

If _that_ is who Clinton associates with so closely, then despite my admiration for her on many levels, I'm just hugely uncomfortable with her values.


The Washington Post reporting is obviously pro-Obama biased media coming at the Clinton campaign from all angles. Using a lie detector machine would no doubt reveal that the WaPo article has fictional aspects to it. This article should be read with a grain of salt as a mixture of truth and fiction with a pro-Obama agenda.

Yes, the Washington Post fabricated those quotes.

"Hillary Clinton's ability to finally blunt Barack Obama's momentum somewhere in the Ohio and Texas primaries"

Don't get pulled too deep into the momentum meme. 3AM and NAFTA and all the other stuff may have had a big impact, but it's also just as plausible that Obama hit a ceiling as far as how many people he could reach with his particular message.

Remember: by and large Obama's Ohio surge in support didn't come from getting Clinton voters to defect, it comes from winning over the undecideds. It could simply be that enough people had decided to vote for Clinton, and no amount of campaigning by Obama was going to change that.

"Because Penn's style of political skittishness is, fundamentally, what she and her husband think the lessons of the past few decades support."

Here's the deal for me: I don't want to hear that Mrs. Clinton is "the Clintons" or that her nomination would please the likes of Professor Limbaugh; this tells me nothing.

The rap on Hillary Clinton - for a long time - was that she's a slave to polls and has no political courage.

There is I think some truth to this allegation.

But if the Obama fellow is the opposite of Mrs. Clinton in this regard on what specific issues will he defy the political center? (Don't say Iraq. He can scream from the rooftops that he opposed the war in 2002 but it doesn't matter because he wasn't in the Senate in 2002.)

This is the problem folks: David Brooks (and others) have cleverly compared Obama to Reagan suggesting that he could be beloved despite taking positions on the issues that are outside the political mainstream.

But the fact of the matter is - as keeps being pointed out by the press - the platforms of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have little space between them.

That wasn't the case with Reagan: he was pretty clear that he was a conservative and how he intended to govern.

If Barack Obama is so politically courageous I'd like to know how, and on what specific issues he will defy the political center.

I'll bet Republicans would like to know too, maybe even Independents.

Is there any possibility that the Clintons partly keep Penn around because they're afraid that, as a political hired gun with a history of association with the Clintons, if they cross him he might turn into Dick Morris 2: The Wrath of Penn?

Overall, it isn't a big enough factor to make it worth keeping Penn on the campaign if they thought that it was truly sabatoging HRC's chances -- even the worst case scenario, turning Penn into a hired rabid right-wing critic filled with lots of semi-credible juicy gossip wouldn't be that big a deal, when the presidency is at stake. Still, I wonder if, at the margins, fear that Penn could turn against her if she gets rid of him might be a factor.

I wonder what Penn is thinking after reading this kind of thing.

People on your team are trying to deny you credit? Nice...

I don't want to hear that Mrs. Clinton is "the Clintons"

Well, rational people do. They are even now working as partners, so if you didn't like the centrism of the first, it would be rational to take that into account when evaluating the second.

Don't say Iraq.

Iraq. He was still a politician accountable to voters for what he said. Perhaps if more people throughout the country had been publicly opposing the war, Congress wouldn't have felt pressured to go along.

But the fact of the matter is - as keeps being pointed out by the press - the platforms of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have little space between them.

Hillary Clinton's current platform. Sure, Bill was plenty left back in '92. They'll move back to the center when it's convenient.

Now, I don't know for a fact that Obama won't triangulate. I do know for a fact that the Clintons have, and it seems very probable given their allegiance to Mark Penn that they will continue to do so.

Okay... my previous claim is probably pretty unlikely. Backstabbing an employer, even after she decides to fire you, is pretty bad for one's career prospects. Perhaps Morris was sui generis. I'm not thinking very clearly right now... not quite enough sleep.

This is what truly mystifies me about Petey's frothing at the mouth declarations that Obama would sell the party out to GE and Marty Peretz. Are you kidding me? Hillary might be more reliably liberal on single issue: UHC mandates. But overall, I can't fathom her Penn-run presidency being better for the cause of liberalism.

Wolfson, Ickes, Penn & Grunwald represent four genuine examples of how loathesome and corrupt political advisors have become---I only ran across Ickes in my own ill-starred political forays, but I did have John Podesta working for me and he was/is a splendid dude!

Ickes was/is NOT a splendid dude...

You so good Yglesias, and so right. Screw Penn, I want me some Hope and Change. Especially since Axelrod is such a moral, righteous person (Daley, Exelon, Punjab, etc.)

Over the last six months, your posts have gone from insightful to biased to plain stupid. I hope people nonetheless buy your book -- I won't, anymore.

The Washington Post was the paper that wrote about the Obama is a Muslim rumors as if they were fact, so I doubt they are in the tank for him.

How much damage did Morris actually do? After all, the guy is a whoremonger. Penn seems to be too inept to be able to be effective pissing into the tent from outside to bother keeping him around. I would guess Clintonian DLC timidity and personal loyalty is what keeps him employed.

If Barack Obama is so politically courageous I'd like to know how, and on what specific issues he will defy the political center.

Well, didn't he basically defy ALL the interested parties when he successfully passed a law in Illinois requiring confessions to be videotaped? IIRC, nobody wanted to touch that, and yet he pulled everyone over to his side.

Oh, and Iraq. It was not "cool" to oppose the war back in 2002, so his stand there should not be minimized.

Please! stop working for Mark Penn's candidate? you have to be morally bankrupt and corrupt to have to decide that one should try to get his candidate elected in the first place

altering photographs of Obama

I thought you were savvier than this about this kind of thing, you know, marketing and stuff. Guess not, and really disappointed.

Clue: he's black, he's not trying to "pass," but is proud of it, and everyone in the country knows it. Not only that, his skin probably darkens in summer like most other people.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama:

Dear Madam, and Sir,

A Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama ticket is what we want. And that is what we need to take back the Whitehouse. We want a smart, tough, idealistic, seasoned veteran of many battles fighting for the American people (Hillary Clinton). With a young, passionate, smart, open-minded, hard-working idealist fighting for the American people (Barrack Obama). The DREAM TEAM!

You are both fabulous candidates. And we, the American people are very fortunate to have each of you. Taking back the Whitehouse is critical for the American people, and the world at this time. And I think the American people have been saying loudly, and clearly that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket is the best way to do this.

I think the American people have made it very clear that they feel Hillary Clinton is the one best able to lead the ticket against John McCain at this critical, and desperate time in America, and around the world. These dramatic comebacks are testament to Hillary Clinton's skill, and experience as a fighter for the American people. They are also a testament to the strong desire of the American people to have both of you fighting for the American people at this time of midnight in America.

Typical of the Clinton's is an uncanny ability to see and understand what the American people want. And then to try and get it for them. Even if they have to go through three political near death experiences to try and get it for the American people. This is classic Clinton's. They are the best I have ever seen.

We are desperate out here. Millions of us are suffering greatly. And tens of thousands of us are dying needlessly every year. Men, women, children, and babies. We need help! As Hillary Clinton said "It's not a game". We need the two of you together on our side fighting for us, and for the American dream for all. Not fighting against each other anymore.

It's time for you Senator Obama to join forces with Hillary Clinton as her running mate so that we can all focus our energies, and resources on taking back America for the American people.

Sincerely

Jacksmith...

Dear Jack Smith,

Ain't gonna happen. He's ahead. Isn't signing on as no one's running mate.

Sincerely yours,

Reality

really, at this point, conscience should dictate that good Democrats abandon Hillary Clinton in droves. she is running a deplorable, despicable campaign. it would be one thing if she could say she had a strategy to beat McCain this way, but she loses to him by all of her own main criteria. and I'm getting sick of people going around saying "oh, Hillary is better than her campaign", "Hillary is better than Penn" and the like. she is not! they are part and parcel. Hillary is the one who brought in Dick Morris of all people for god's sake during Bill's tenure. she is a sleazy operator, and has been for a very long time.

Mark Penn is no better than Karl Rove.

I could never vote for Hillary after seeing how she's conducted herself these last few weeks.


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