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The Success of the Surge

14 Mar 2008 12:42 pm

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The Pew Center has a new survey out offering definitive evidence that the "surge" has, in fact, been a success in terms of its main goal of boosting the odds of an indefinite American military commitment to Iraq. Here we see on the left, for example, that coverage of the war in Iraq has plummeted in recent months. Stories like this one about how "the body of a Chaldean Catholic archbishop who was kidnapped in the northern city of Mosul last month as he drove home after afternoon Mass was discovered Thursday buried in a southeastern area of the city" aren't getting the kind of play they used to. After all, the war's over and there's nothing to write about or put on television.

Similarly, an item like "Iraq: Car Bomb Kills 11 in Baghdad" could be bad for home front morale, but thanks to the surge and to general Petraeus' surge of savvy press management, people don't hear as much about that kind of thing as they used to.

Similarly, depressing "downer" stories like "3 Fort Hood soldiers killed in Iraq bombing " aren't as big a deal in the media as they once were. And that's important, because for all the talk of the surge working, according to its proponents it's going to need to keep on working for something like ten years. Over time, that can add up to an awful lot of body bags so you don't want people to hear about that kind of thing.


And according to Pew, increasingly people aren't aware of how many soldeirs have died in Iraq. Isolated findings of public ignorance of some or another subject usually aren't as meaningful as they first seem, but Pew is showing a clear trend here. The public used to have a good handle on how many troops had died in Iraq, but ever since the surge started "working," people's understanding of the issue went into decline even as the body count kept creeping higher:

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In August 2007, 54% correctly identified the fatality level at that time (about 3,500 deaths). In previous polls going back to the spring of 2004, about half of respondents could correctly estimate the number of U.S. fatalities around the time of the survey.

In the current poll, more respondents underestimated than overestimated the number of fatalities. A plurality of 35% said that there have been about 3,000 troop deaths, and another 11% said there have been 2,000 deaths. Just under a quarter (23%) said the number of fatalities is closer to 5,000.

In fact, these days the correct answer is around 4,000 but the surge has succeeded in making sure that relatively few people are aware of that fact.

Controlling the information landscape is key, because the public continues to have mixed feelings about the underlying issue. People think the war was a mistake, and think it hasn't been worth the costs. But rather than quit right now, the median voter seems to want to let things play out for a little while longer. The challenge for people who want to end the war is to make people see that that's not a viable option -- that the real policy choices are between leaving in as quickly a way as is safe and practical or else staying for many years. The challenge for those who want to see the war continue indefinitely is to obscure the length of commitment they're talking about, and to obscure the ongoing costs of an open-ended U.S. military presence in Iraq.

Judged by those standards, the surge is working pretty well.

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Of course, Matthew's analysis is the complete opposite of the correct analysis.

The point of the study is that the MSM is just plain reluctant to point out good news. The news out of Iraq has been better and better - therefore, we get les and less coverage. The MSM only wants to publicize bad news out of Iraq, and when they can't find much bad news, we get nothing at all

It all proves that the MSM is anti-war. Which we've known since, well, forever.

Moreover, the wording of the linked poll question is complete BS, since there are two wrong answers below the correct number and only one wrong answer above the correct number. Of course there will be more wrong answers lower than higher.

I'm not sure how accurate this poll is, but overall, good post.

Todays' editorial in the Washington Post eviscerates Admiral Fallon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/13/AR2008031303417.html?sub=AR

I thought any person who is neither insane nor criminally sociopathic is anti-war. But Al is apparently pro-war.

But Obama has a radical pastor !

Note that the graphic shows percentage of news coverage devoted to Iraq. Given the presumed constant size of the news hole, Iraq coverage is going to decline if (a) the news from there is the same-old-same-old, and (b) another major news story--say, a presidential election?--starts gobbling up huge amounts of space. Which leads me to ask--How would this graph look if it showed changes in percentage of Iraq coverage on this blog? I suspect Iraq coverage here has dropped significantly in recent months, owing to increased coverage of Clinton-Obama--much of it devoted to internecine Democratic squabbling. Maybe it's time to put the knives away against fellow Democrats and start paying more attention to why we're Democrats?

Al fans shouldn't miss what's perhaps his most hilariously vile, stupid statement in his long history of hilariously vile, stupid statements, from yesterday:

If Iran acted like the US or the UK or France, we'd have much less of a problem with them getting nuclear weapons.

O holy god that's funny. And repellent. And moronic. It's the whole Al package!

Al is a troll; I never bother to read a word oncve I notice the disgusting name.

C'mon Al:

It's not a futile exercise for an organization to study how wars are covered in the media, and what the public perceptions are. And to be frank, "pro-war" organizations don't typically offer this type of analysis.

Is Al going to top his hilariously vile, stupid statement from yesterday here today?

*fingers crossed*

It's not a futile exercise for an organization to study how wars are covered in the media, and what the public perceptions are.

AKBY - I didn't claim that it was a futile exercise to study how wars are covered in the media. I think it's an important exercise. I only claimed Matthew's analysis was wrong and that an individual poll question was bad.

It is pretty funny to see Matthew claiming that you don't see negative MSM stories about Iraq any more while simultaneously citing three negative MSM stories about Iraq. But it is even funnier that he seems not to be able to understand that the reason that there are fewer negative stories about Iraq in the MSM is that... things are improving in Iraq. Duh.

As I point out above, though, the problem here isn't that the MSM refuses to print negative stories about Iraq. It is the opposite - as Iraq continues to improve, the MSM refuses to print positive stories about Iraq and opts instead to just go silent.

It's all about the left-wing, anti-war MSM stabbing the war effort in the back.

Al wrote:

It is the opposite - as Iraq continues to improve, the MSM refuses to print positive stories about Iraq and opts instead to just go silent.

But as violence has spiked in the last couple of months, MSM coverage of Iraq has continued to plummet. And in 2005, when violence levels in Iraq were the same as they are now, there was more MSM coverage.

So, to repeat: MSM coverage of Iraq (not only reports on deaths but the amount of time given to it on the 24-hour chatfest news networks, pundits, etc) has sunk even as violence has risen and the failure of the surge has become clearer. Therefore, we can see that the MSM is invested in the pro-war, pro-surge narrative and they stick to it even as Iraq sinks further into hell.

Al's just upset because the MSM's insanely pro-surge coverage threatens to upset his cherished myth that the MSM is liberal. Just as he shuts his eyes to the rise in violence and the failure of the surge, he shuts his eyes to the MSM's pro-surge reporting because it doesn't fit his worldview.

I think David is right: there's both a finite and predictable amount of space set aside for news in most media; and the decline in Iraq coverage coincides with the presidential campaign heating up.

as violence has spiked in the last couple of months

This is false.

It's all about the left-wing, anti-war MSM stabbing the war effort in the back.

Al, I think I speak for everyone when I say I appreciate that you're explicitly adopting Nazi themes in hopes of topping your hilariously vile stupidity from yesterday.

But I'm afraid that yesterday you really set yourself a high bar. To top it you'd have to go for the gusto, and rephrase today's statement as it being "all about the left-wing, anti-war Jew Media stabbing the war efforts in the back." Ask your buddy Chris Ford -- maybe he could give you some pointers.

From Al's own link:

"Based on reports from February, violence may already be increasing. An independent tally by The Associated Press recorded a jump last month in the average number of Iraqis killed per day compared with January’s figures."

Okay, Al, I see your point now. Perhaps the MSM needs to be more objective and report both good and bad news more consistenly. I don't know their entire record on this matter.

I'm not sure I've seen enough data to make the argument either way that there is a direct correlation between the frequency of press coverage and how things are going on the ground.

From my viewpoint, the press coverage has always been terrible, and woefully incomplete, at any point in time since the war began.

"Based on reports from February, violence may already be increasing. An independent tally by The Associated Press recorded a jump last month in the average number of Iraqis killed per day compared with January’s figures."

Posted by BlueStreak

This simply proves that BlueStreak is unwilling to emphasize the good news.

What Al's "analysis" fails to account for is that the majority of people in the Pew study guessed that the number of fatalities was substantially less than the ~4k number. Combine that with the decline in coverage, and a more logical guess would be that the media is reporting disproportionately good news coming out of Baghdad....

I don't think it's a coincidence that Vermont-- a state who has had the most per capita deaths from the war-- went heavy for Obama and emphasized ending it as their #1 concern. When you've lost people you know, it's a lot harder to forget that there's a war going on.

From my viewpoint, the press coverage has always been terrible

I agree completely.

I agree completely.

Yes, I well remember how outraged Al was by the media's shameless stenography of the administration's propaganda. There's nothing Al cares about more than accurate news.

Also, Al, when you wrote this --

If Iran acted like the US or the UK or France, we'd have much less of a problem with them getting nuclear weapons.

-- did you know the French government actually had their pilots fly missions against Iran in Iraqi planes during the Iran-Iraq war? I assume not, since you're a fucking moron.

Spot on. The ssurge has indeed been a roaring success. Arianna Huffington quickly spotted its real strategic goal in domestic US politics (everything in Iraq has been driven by this): perception management. If the Democrats aren't very careful they will find they have missed the bus by the end of the convention with the country agreeing with McSame that he won the war and the deadbeat defeatist loser Democrats want to stab the US military in the back.

Anti-tax obsessives complain about the witholding tax since they claim that it insulates the tax payer from the pain of the tax. The same folk rarely complain about the lack of a draft insulating the country from the pain of the war.

Back to you, Al.

The old Left tactic of touting the US body count and claiming they are "emotionally wrecked" over loss of soldiers only works as a ploy when Americans are convinced those lives are being squandered, wasted in incompetence to no good effect.
It would be more convincing if Lefties actually did support the troops rather than continue their press to demonize soldiers as baby-killers and make outcasts of those doing ROTC or who recruit for the military.
As is, Bush II has lost less soldiers annually than Jimmy Carter did in peacetime.

The public knows soldiers are dying. They are just less obsessed with the Jews and Gentiles of the Left constantly pushing the small number killed and maimed - as a number transformed into an anti-war propaganda weapon on the bodies of the brave.
They also do not share the Jew-Gentile Lefty belief that murderous Islamoids that wish to kill infidels and moderate Muslims are not an American problem until they actually kill Americans - then lawyers and criminal indictments can handle it. They know our guys are whacking great big bunches of Muslim bad guys who have come to Iraq to die against Marines with nasty weapons rather than wage Jihad on easy prey on air flights, streetcorners in Egypt, whacking infidel tourists and business people. And that is a good thing.
They know that the Islamoid problem is bigger than just 6 criminals from 9/11 still left hiding.

Iraq has been a killing ground for Muslim terrorists and a place to transform Arab opinion on just how monstrous radical Islamists are. It has been an intelligence windfall as thousands of Islamoids were captured free of interference from ACLU Jews on "precious terrorist rights" legal handcuffing - and we uncovered and used Muslim and Euro nations to take out Muslim terror nests in their countries from those in captivity or forensics on their corpses and belongings revealing their recruiters, trainers, financiers, and weapons suppliers.

The public is finally breaking though the Lefty propaganda, realizing that we are losing soldiers at a far lower rate than in any other wars of high stakes, and finally thinking out the consequences of cut n' run defeatism. And they are tending to find McCain and Petreaus more credible than Eli Paritzer or similar Lefty Jew pundits.

And QED for my post comes today from tighty-righty Chris Ford. Thanks, Chris. 13 minutes. Good work.

Despite the thread getting stained by the brownshirts, it's still worth it to point out that "The Surge has worked" is a more accurate statement than you might think.

Actually, the most accurate statement would be: "The Surge (tm)" has worked. What Matt said was correct - the goal was to keep our troops in Iraq. But what needs to be emphasized is that "the Surge (tm)" is the *marketing campaign to do that* - and nothing more!

That's the thing that really galls me: militarily speaking, "surges" don't exist! There are no "Great Surges in History", no one remembers the Surge of 1812, and as far as I can see, the term hasn't even been used to describe a single military action before this war.

So the term is nothing more than a snazzy brand name. Heck, it could have been used just as well for a soft drink or energy bar as a temporary 15% increase in US forces. At this point, maybe people should hold back from using the sales terms BushCo has thought up, and try to refer to things by what they actually are.

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It's the ecoonmy stupid.

There's no grand conspiracy to keep Iraq off the front page. Nor is the surge "working". Rather, people simply have something much closer yo home and more germane to their personal lives to worry about and the media has responded by focusing on those worries-- which are quite legitimate. And not to wrry here, since a sputtering economy also plays to the Democrats' advantage this year.

David, Chuck E, and JonF are right--this is hardly a conspiracy. Moreover, as I look at the stats, it seems to me surprising how accurate most people are in getting the casualty figures within reasonably factual parameters.

I do agree that "the surge" is primarily a political strategy. We've had this many troops on the ground in Iraq in the past. What's different is that now they're being tasked appropriately, and the results are clearly positive.

The majority on this blog is way different from the majority of the voters. Most American voters seem to me to be a lot better informed than posters here about how and when the war actually started, and what it has been all about. A clear majority here seem to imagine the whole thing was ginned up by a clique of deviants in the White House after the 2000 election, and just want to get out, period. Most voters, in my view, have a better memory, and are expecting a reasonable conclusion to this nearly two decades-long problem.

For most of my life, we have been spending kazillions on a military establishment that was supposed to be able to fight and win two major wars in different parts of the globe at the same time. I don't see any reason to accept the idea that we can't support two freely-elected allied governments, at their request, in the permissive environments of their own countries, in resisting fragmented, disorganized, and increasingly isolated terrorist groups.


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