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06 Apr 2008 05:22 pm

Normally you can find me ranting against the environmental and public health ills of over-reliance on cars, but Tyler Cowen offers this quote from Peter Moskos' Cop in the Hood which reminds us that it's also had a devastating impact on police work:

Car patrol eliminated the neighborhood police officer. Police were pulled off neighborhood beats to fill cars. But motorized patrol -- the cornerstone of urban policing -- has no effect on crime rates, victimization, or public satisfaction. Lawrence Sherman was an early critic of telephone dispatch and motorized patrol, noted, "The rise of telephone dispatch transformed both the method and purpose of patrol. Instead of watching to prevent crime, motorized police patrol became a process of merely waiting to respond to crime."

The big rise in crime rates over the course of the 1960s and 70s rapidly became more grist for the mill of America's ideological battles, but a lot of what we can do to reduce crime seems to involve basically un-ideological management tweaks. Unfortunately, cities have been very slow to respond to research with actual shifts in policy. But there's tons of evidence to suggest that cops doing patrol work need to spend less time responding to calls and much less time in their cars. Beyond the factors noted above, when you're driving a car you need to be watching the road or you're cause an accident. But to do effect patrol you need to be watching what's happening in the neighborhood, not just breezing past it.

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Beyond the factors noted above, when you're driving a car you need to be watching the road or you're cause an accident. But to do effect patrol you need to be watching what's happening in the neighborhood, not just breezing past it.

I thought that's why most patrol officers travel in pairs.

I think there would be a huge problem with the police unions and FOP to get them out of their cars and into the streets and neighborhoods. In DC, they have setup these neighborhood policing booths in 7-11's but when cops are there, they are just there also waiting for crime to happen.

However, if walking the beat is effective deterrent, why is the patrol car not a deterrent? And particularly when they can cover more territory than a couple cops walking around.

This post appears to be inconsistent with the lessons of The Wire.

Also, I can't say for sure, but it seems hard to believe that the primary mission of policing prior to the introduction of the radio car was "watching to prevent crime"--defined in contradistinction to "waiting to respond to it." I thought that police deterred crime by responding to crimes effectively: securing the scene, investigating the crime (and associated conspiracies), making arrests, and winning convictions.

The massive surveillance capacity that the study's author seems to be seeking might be a more recent vintage.

Cities like LA and Houston were created by geography not cars.

They were never very policeable and never will be.

When I'm out and about in the evening, and I need to smoke some pot or piss in an alley, I certainly don't need attentive police officers officrs around. Keep the cars!

Does he even proof read his posts anymore?

I remember talking to a police officer about this. He mentioned there has been an increasing push to get police back in the communities through walking patrols. Police walking the beat interact with people in the community, strengthening ties and trust, the result being both less crime and less police abuse.

I remember talking to a police officer about this. He mentioned there has been an increasing push to get police back in the communities through walking patrols. Police walking the beat interact with people in the community, strengthening ties and trust, the result being both less crime and less police abuse.

I remember talking to a police officer about this. He mentioned there has been an increasing push to get police back in the communities through walking patrols. Police walking the beat interact with people in the community, strengthening ties and trust, the result being both less crime and less police abuse.

Sorry about the triple post, my browser was acting weird.

However, if walking the beat is effective deterrent, why is the patrol car not a deterrent? And particularly when they can cover more territory than a couple cops walking around.

Just think for a second about how engaged you are with people on the street when you're in a car and when you're walking. On foot patrol, a police officer can make eye contact, answer questions, and observe a single person with far more care than he or she could from the seat of car. Walking also keeps cops more fit and more alert and helps them meet more people in the neighborhoods they patrol.

As for covering more space, some cities put their cops on bikes and horses; both approaches bring the police closer to people and the street, but give them a much wider range. Both horses and dogs can help police immensely; people who may never come up to introduce themselves to a cop will gladly approach and pet an animal and in doing so, get to know their local police officers.

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This post appears to be inconsistent with the lessons of The Wire.

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Just think for a second about how engaged you are with people on the street when you're in a car and when you're walking. On foot patrol, a police officer can make eye contact, answer questions, and observe a single person with far more care than he or she could from the seat of car.

There was a post not too long ago here about foreclosures and vacant properties. Many neighborhoods in Baltimore for exampe are like that and there would be no benefit to foot patrols. Foot patrols however could be more effective in a DC neighborhood like Mt. Pleasant, which has a lot density and a lot of vagrancy. However from what I have seen, the MPD puts a cops there during the day, when nothing is going on, in a bicycle or a Segway. But at night time, when foot patrols would be more effective in checking out the alley's and dark corners, a couple cops just sit in a patrol car at the 7-11 waiting to respond to a dispatch call.

Another consequence: lots of fat fucking traffic cops who think they might end up acting all manly on 'America's Craziest Police Chases'.

Especially towards the end of the month, when car patrols have a quota of citations to fulfill.

I thought that's why most patrol officers travel in pairs.

The two-officers-to-a-patrol-car thing stopped being the norm when Car 54 Where Are You went off the air. Two officers to a car cuts the area patrolled in half.

at night time, when foot patrols would be more effective in checking out the alley's and dark corners, a couple cops just sit in a patrol car at the 7-11 waiting to respond to a dispatch call.

Well, of course, officers aren't poking in alleys and dark corners at night in such a neighborhood--they aren't foolhardy.

This post appears to be inconsistent with the lessons of The Wire.

In addition to what Bubba said, there is a scene in the Wire where McNulty is conducting a foot patrol, with the implication that it is more effective (and personally fulfilling) then what he had been doing previously.

Mr. Sailer and his lackeys are going to bring race into this thread. I just know it.

"Does he even proof read his posts anymore?"

Did he ever?

Re the topic, I remember reading once that the problem with cops on the take in New York was that they were on the take from even small time violations.

For example, cop on foot patrol comes across some minor street gambling going on. He takes a fiver and ignores the violation. Later, the gambling turns violent and somebody gets shot. Had the cop broke up the gambling, maybe nobody would have gotten killed. Counterfactual to that, if he had broken it up, they probably would have gone somewhere else, maybe indoors, and still got someone killed.

Bottom line: nobody really knows how effective police patrols of any kind are. All you can do is go by the stats of how many crimes actually were broken up by patrols - you still don't know how many crimes were NOT broken up during the same time period. For things like burglaries, you might know, since they usually get reported. For things like drug sales, you don't know because they aren't reported.

Of course, drug sales shouldn't be criminal anyway. The real problem for patrols is that cops spend a lot of time trying to catch drug dealers, instead of criminals that matter - muggers, burglars, etc. Decriminalize drugs and that whole class of crime goes away, leaving much more time to catch the morons who would have been drug dealers who are now reduced to being tire thieves, shoplifters, car thieves, muggers, and burglars.

And since those crimes pay less than drug dealing and are less organized (with the possible exception of car theft), the next advantage to the cops is that they aren't going up against crooks with better guns than they have. Those crimes also tend to be less violent than drug dealing, so the overall homicide rate goes down.

So rather than worrying about whether cops in cars or cops on foot are better, try worrying about whether the laws the cops are enforcing make any sense.

Of course, there will always be the problem of the cop who runs up against a robot.

Cameron is standing by a car next to a Latina in a Latino neighborhood. Cop drives up, asks the Latina if Cameron is "someone he ought to know." Girl walks off, leaving Cameron. Cop asks her if that's her car. Cameron says "This is definitely not my car" - which it wasn't, they stole it. Cops informs her that drug gangs stash their drugs in a stolen car, then leave a girl to watch it. So he asks her if she minds him calling in the plates. Naturally, Cameron decides to wax the cop, and is only stopped when Sarah comes out and puts on a con for the cop. Cameron stands there confused as hell while Sarah calls her a "spoiled little bitch" and threatens to send her back to private school ("the one with the uniforms - they will dress you like a flannel sock") for the benefit of the cop.

The actor playing the cop was good. He had the whole "I'm an asshole cop and I'm smarter than you stupid minorities" attitude down pat. Too bad his character survived.

Here in SF, a city initiative was passed that mandated cops "walking the beat" in certain neighborhoods. The Police Department and the mayor were against it, but it passed anyway.

I've seen the beat cops walking around the Mission a few times, and I have to say it doesn't look like much of an improvement over the police cars. I mean, I guess in theory it is better because they can "interact" with people in the neighborhood on a more personal basis and maybe prevent some crime that way, but it's not nearly enough of a presence to make any qualitative difference in the felt safeness of the neighborhood. And it's two less cops that can actually respond when something major goes down in a city where the police are already spread thin.

I think this nostalgic idea of a beat cop twirling his baton around and saying "Good evening" to old ladies just isn't all that viable in real life. Most places aren't even dense enough for it to make sense (I can't imagine anyone walking a beat in the San Fernando Valley where I grew up, for instance), and even in those few dense-enough places like SF, you would need so many cops for it to make a difference that it's probably not possible.

To correct Linus a bit, at least on CA -the urban geography of LA was designed to be cheap to govern by the Board of Control back in the 1920s. Among other things that meant cops in cars that patrolled large areas, acting mainly was reactive forces to swoop in on and snuff out bad stuff and remove evildoers (presumed to be outsiders) from an reliably law abiding middle class populace (planned to be white, from Kanasas and nearby states). That is why police stations were designed to be fortresses with little interaction with the neighborhood, and explains the extremely toxic attitude of LA police towards citiznes in general. It hope it has changed recently; I don't live there anymore.

After I moved away to another city with beat cops, I noticed the difference. Being a farm kid, I was going through my standard protocols for picking good fruit in front of produce market. Cop came up and I got nervous about being hassled by a jerk cop for no particular reason (since that was the only interactino wth cops I had in LA). But the cop wanted to know if I really knew how to pick fruit, and if I did he had a request a lesson on how pick good honeydews. I was stunned. I couldn't believe it.

So geography is not an exogenous factor that cuased patrol car coping. LA was the model of several CA metro areas.

I don't know about Houston.

I felt the need to post on this topic because of the subject matter and because one of the above comments was posted under my actual name (Yes you Mr. David Morris... if that is your real name). Quite a coincidence really.

Here in NYC we have two-man patrol cars, which is demonstrably safer given the nature of the calls that our members of the service respond to. We also have foot posts depending on the neighborhood and the available staff.(and of course the Transit police are usually on foot posts on platforms above and below ground... yes Manhattan transplants, we still do have elevated trains).

Matt is right that one of the recent successes of police departments, was the return to proactive or preventative, rather than reactive policing. We were able to do this in New York by hiring additional police through the COPS Program and Dinkins' (not Guiliani's, although it continued under his administration) Safe Streets, Safe City Program in the mid 90's.

Unfortunately, our current Mayor, who I can assure you from personal experience truly is an elitist douche, thinks it appropriate to drive down wages and shrink the police deparment to Pre-Safe Streets levels (down to roughly 34,000 from 40,000 in 2000). This is bad policy on many levels, but for the purposes of this topic, it has forced the Department to return to reactive policing due to manpower constraints.

We just need more cops no matter what. There was a good TNR article on Giuliani a little while ago that mentioned that much of the success of driving down crime during his first term had to do with the fact that highly trained cops became integrated into local communities and could prevent and resolve disputes as they developed before anything major went down. If you have a couple of tough-looking cops on a corner that everyone locally respects, you aren't going to be selling crack there, vandalizing anything or mugging people. To take part in criminal activity there, you have to be willing to attack a cop or think you can easily get away from a cop. Meanwhile, if you can avoid getting noticed by ducking into an alley for 30 seconds while the patrol goes by, you probably feel a lot more confident about breaking laws there.

Also: in the bitchen future when cars are transporta non grata will we have to bring our new sofas home on the bus?

Will riding lawnmowers be allowed?

...explains the extremely toxic attitude of LA police towards citiznes in general. It hope it has changed recently; I don't live there anymore...

Well, I also haven't lived in LA for many, many years, but I do follow it pretty closely.

Unless I'm totally mistaken, LA's civilian population (which is now about 85% non-white-European and very heavily immigrant/working-class) is pretty good these days, perhaps even extremely good.

This isn't too surprising. In general, immigrant and Latino populations tend to get along very well with the police, so long as the police behave reasonably, and Bratton and the current Latino mayor have certainly ensured this.

LA crime rates have recently fallen to the lowest in over FIFTY(!) years, reaching back to when the city was 85% white European, almost entirely suburban middle-class, and---just as you say---filled with lots of Kansans.

However, LA still has an exceptionally small police force by American urban standards, so the mayor's continuing his effort to heavily expand its size. Since police earn extremely good salaries for blue-collar workers, hiring more cops provides an additional boost for the mayor's working-class Latino base, and is therefore a real two-fer.

It's certainly not "Hell-LA" these days...

Here's another example from San Francisco.

I live in the Tenderloin. Around the corner from the block I live on is a section where a lot of dudes spread out their shoplifted wares on blankets and conduct their business. Once in a LONG while, cops come around and check that out. If the cops were smart, they'd come around daily and eventually those guys would no longer be there - they'd be indoors somewhere - which would cut into their business - or they'd be in the joint for shoplifting.

Also, periodically, the cops here do a "crackdown" on prostitution - which is always a joke. It lasts a couple days, then the girls are right back on the job. It's purely for public consumption.

And can it be that hard to spot Latino guys standing around on street corners dealing dope? This isn't rocket science.

The bottom line is that cops aren't interested in "stopping crime" or "serving the public". That wasn't true back in the "Adam 12" days and it's not true now. They're interested in being employed at a job where they get to carry guns, hassle people, eat donuts on the city dime, and occasionally become "heroes" by pulling people out of fires, or stopping an actual crime.

I'm reminded of the two episodes of "Hill Street Blues". In one, the dumb beat cop gets caught pissing in an alley and gets demoted to traffic cop. A couple episodes later, he responds to a fire, saves some kid, and gets a commendation for bravery. That pretty much sums up what cops are - basically morons who occasionally do good things for people - when they aren't doing stupid shit that costs the taxpayer a fortune for nothing.

As someone once said, "The police are basically an army of occupation for the poor."

I don't give cops any more credit than I do US soldiers who (allegedly) join up to "protect the country" and end up killing Iraqi civilians because they're "hajis".

Fuck 'em.

Not to belabor a trivial point, but this does not contradict The Wire in any way. In addition to the scene of McNulty happily walking the streets and interacting with the community, it was a noted part of Bunny Colvin's plan for West Baltimore (best known of course for the Hamsterdam experiment). There was a scene where Bunny (or was it Carcetti?) has a neighborhood meeting where one of the residents heaps praise on the fact that she has a beat cop walking her street for the first time in decades. She makes a point of saying that the officer even gave her his card and name and talked to her.

Mark, I was thinking of Bunny Colvin and that exact same scene at the neighborhood meeting. I think Bunny's view might be that a patrol car creates a relationship between the Police (no, not the band) and the Community, whereas foot patrol creates relationships between individual cops and individual community members.

Bunny's drive, both in the PD and in the schools, seemed to be to create human relationships, rather than institutional ones. That's the argument, as I understand it, for foot patrols over cars.

...one of the above comments was posted under my actual name (Yes you Mr. David Morris... if that is your real name). Quite a coincidence really.

Yes! It is! You sound kind of adultish, so this may not apply, but if you're on Facebook, you should definitely join the group "David Morrises of the world unite!" We are many.

As for this beat cop thing, I think the problem might be that it is implemented in a very half-assed way here in SF. Like I said before, in order to work it seems like you'd need a whole lot more cops on the payroll than there are right now--and for some reason (although it may have to do with general anti-cop attitudes like RSH's) not enough people want to pony up the cash for them.

Posted by RKU | April 6, 2008 9:25 PM

I hope you are correct, RKU, that things have improved police-wise in LA. Especially with regard to racial ethnic communities. When I was there disrespect and rude behavior was doled out according to social class also. I am convinced of that because I was low and then high class white in terms of money, and experienced the difference myself.

For awhile I lived in a poor mixed community in LA. The slightest issue with African Americans got a couple of squad cars, a helicopter and police ording people to lie down, freeze, through bull horns, guns drawn. One arrest minimum, guaranteed.

Poor Hispanics routinely got roughted up or beaten for pretty much anything. Lower class (money wise) whites got disrespect, poor service and were generally blown off.'

I witnessed myself the various treatments blacks, Hispanics, high class Asians and whites and perceived low class Asians and whites got for identical behavior many times. It radicalized me to some extent. And everytime I visit, I canot get over my visceral reaction to the LAPD, even though I probably should be able to by now.

It was mess. This was back in years right before and after King riots.

I do hope things have improved. Though, with such a small police to population ratio, I would wonder how they are accomplishing it.

Hell-LA line was meant to be a joke. I lived there long enough, so I figure I earned the right, but maybe not.

David Morris - SF version,

I go to law school near the Tenderloin. I think having walking cops on patrol in some areas (Golden Gate Ave.) is a pretty good idea. But for some reason, I have never seen any "beat cops" around those areas. The result, lots of homeless people fighting and people shooting up heroin a couple blocks from city hall. Now, there are a lot of undercover cops near the tenderloin, but they really are not very preventive when it comes to crime.

I think the idea of walking beat cops in SF is a good idea in certain areas. Maybe the Mission, and certainly the Tenderloin could have them. But most other districts really don't need them.

I often see beatcops in SF and other Bay Area neighborhoods that do not seem to need them as much as Tenderloin, where I have never seen one. Tenderloin is only sketchy SF neighborhood I go through often, since it is so close to downtown and Civic Center stuff.

I cannot blame the police. Walking the Tenderloin cannot be a pleasent job. And what is worse, seems like it must be same officers on regular basis to have full effect. Tenderloin is outrageous, and if officer was going to enforce things, would take half a day to get down one block.

Cities like LA and Houston were created by geography not cars.

They were never very policeable and never will be.

If you look at people/square mile, L.A. is as dense as anywhere in the country. If L.A. isn't policeable, the U.S. is in a lot of trouble.

Matt,

You are aware, aren't you, that most of the U.S. is less densely populated than Manhattan and Northwest D.C., and that that isn't going to change very rapidly no matter how many posts you blog expressing your disapproval of it? Exactly how are policemen supposed to get around at more than 3 mph if they are out of their cars? Segways? Should we hire really fit policemen who will jog their beats?

Maybe, Steve, but I sometimes think you forget that not everyone lives in the San Fernando valley....

By the way, "more cops on the street" sounds great in theory, but gets caught up the normal pork-barrel political process. Just as now Monatana is getting vastly more "anti-terror" funds per capita than NY or DC, so in the '90s did a remarkable number of Clinton's "10,000 new cops on the street" end up as some hillbilly's nephew sleeping away the afternoon in his cruiser in the National Forest. Rural and small-town America are already vastly over-policed, so unless you can find some way to keep more of them from plaguing us and sticking in the cities where they belong, no thanks.

Two things: one, I'm from Houston, so I'll comment on that, and two, I'm in the military, so I'll comment on something Mr. Hack said:

I don't give cops any more credit than I do US soldiers who (allegedly) join up to "protect the country" and end up killing Iraqi civilians because they're "hajis".

Certainly you'd have to admit that a lot of people actually do join for such a reason. Most people join when they're fairly young (17 to 20) and are stereotypically naive and optimistic (you know, like Obama supporters).

I joined for a myriad of reasons; I was sitting on my ass for a year out of high school, resenting myself for skipping months of school in my junior year and losing my scholarship offers, and didn't have anything going on in my life; I wanted to see the world outside of Alabama, Louisiana, and Texas (irony: I'm stationed in New Mexico and was previously in Mississippi); I needed a way to pay for college; I had long idolized my grandfather, a mathematics professor at the University of Houston and US Navy veteran; I bought into the Bush rhetoric about our impending doom via Iraq; I wanted to get away from a poisonous relationship with the girl I was associating myself with at the time. Lots of reasons, some of which are "honorable" and others which won't find themselves in a recruiting pamphlet any time soon.

What you say about "hajis" has some substance to it, but unfortunately it gets buried under your best impression of the caricature that Jane Fonda's public image has become. There certainly are people in the military who have an irrational perspective of "hadjis", but that's reflective of a culture with few positive images of Muslims combined with leadership that has discarded human rights concerns in their embrace of John Yoo's advice, and leaders that suggest Islam is the soil in which terrorism grows (see McCain, John). But I can assure you that there's a lot more people who joined out of a sense of obligation for their country than those who joined with dreams of sleeping with Korean hookers and water-boarding guys named Muhammad.

You're the kind of person that feeds the fire of the knee-jerk Republicanism that you hate so much. You're the reason people who don't wear flag pins are criticized for being "un-patriotic", because you're the kind of person who is cited.

As far as Houston goes, a lot of it's layout is due to the bayous that run through the city, which dictated the "ward" system that it was previously set up on (and still lingers to this day). It also has staunchly refused zoning laws, which is why when someone says they're going "downtown", there's often confusion: do they mean the medical center? The theater district? Montrose?

Flying over Houston, you'll notice there's three pockets of skyscrapers with tightly-crammed, smaller buildings packed around them. This is due to the lack of zoning laws. As a result, the city of Houston is extremely large in area, given it's population. In terms of area, it's larger than New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles. It's probably the largest city in the nation in terms of area. So it's probably logistical nightmare for a police chief.

Growing up, I don't think I ever saw a patrolman on foot. It was always in cars, and hardly ever down the street I lived on - which was odd, since I grew up in a fairly bad neighborhood. Not very many nice things were ever said about cops growing up, and to this day I don't have a high opinion of them, compounded by the fact that when walking home from school one day, and after a 9-year old propositioned me for her pay-services, I told a cop about who I happened to see 10 minutes later parked at a grocery store, in a completely different direction from where I pointed him.

In my years I've come to know a few cops, who are generally decent guys, but do, almost by rule, come off as a bit lazy, a bit more overweight, and have a sense of superiority. They have their reasons for joining the police force, but I think their reasons for staying on are much more about keeping a steady and decent paying job by nailing down that speeding ticket quota for the 8th month in a row than about doing good work for their community and busting bad guys. This reflects on the leadership of the police force (including elected officials).

I think, in general, keeping cops in cars does separate cops from seeing that normal people do exist. Otherwise, they're stuck in their cars until they have to deal with some woman complaining about her abusive boyfriend, or hassling some guy's parents about his whereabouts after he was seen at the scene of a crime. Putting cops on foot keeps them from interacting with people in strictly a negative sense. To this day, I can't think of a positive interaction I've had with a cop.

I'd imagine the best way to deploy them in their city would (A) be in sufficiently large numbers, (B) mostly in cars, to enable quick responses, but (C) definitely with some significant amount of them patrolling the more problematic areas on foot, so as to promote good will and further promote a sense of presence in troubled neighborhoods.

I'm sure all of you have seen cops pulled over in a parking lot, with their cars facing in opposite directions, so that they have their driver doors as close as possible to facilitate conversation. Exactly what does this do? Not only are the cops not patrolling, but they're wasting valuable resources (gas, vehicles), manpower, and time. Cops doing that sort of stuff would do much better to walk the beat in a neighborhood - together, even.

If you need to have it explained to you that MY was most likely referring to policing in cities, than you're a fucking retarded. You're so retarded that you've dedicated your life to something retarded, like trying to find the elusive scientific proof that black people are genetically mentally inferior to white people. Steve Sailer probably is such a hit at parties by being so dense and overly literal. Aside from exploding meth labs and domestic violence, rural areas and exburbs don't have enough people to be that crime-ridden.

Mr. Hack,

You idiot, the cops keep you and me safe. You can't have a civilization without a police force. The next time you get mugged, just think about how much you owe the police for keeping you safe. They ought to be honored and respected, not jeered at.

"The next time you get mugged, just think about how much you owe the police for keeping you safe."

What's wrong with this statement, folks?

I think this nostalgic idea of a beat cop twirling his baton around and saying "Good evening" to old ladies just isn't all that viable in real life. Most places aren't even dense enough for it to make sense (I can't imagine anyone walking a beat in the San Fernando Valley where I grew up, for instance), and even in those few dense-enough places like SF, you would need so many cops for it to make a difference that it's probably not possible.

True. And when people say the "real problem is not enough armed government employees on ever corner" all they are doing is displacing the real problem they do not wish to discuss:

Epidemic crime rates in certain groups in the US and the failure of modern justice to deter them.

The days of beat cops twirling billy-clubs was actually a rarity, seen only in SF and a few dozen densely packed cities in the North, particularly NYC, where it made such an impression on the people that later owned much of the media and Hollywood that it became a staple in the movies and on TV. The rest of the country managed with no small city police Depts, relying on mobile state police, rangers or county sheriffs. If you look at those places, you see they existed for generations and only added police depts in the 60s.

The "old way" was to deal with known "local" criminals and run out the outsiders coming in to do crime. No way would have Nigerian con artists, Irish Traveller swindler sydicates, black thug drug gangs moving in have been tolerated. They would have been beaten or fined of everything they had escorted to the county line and told never come back..
That worked without the idea that the alternative was to let the bad guys live anywhere unmolested and only have cops so they could be stationed between them and their prey.

The problem with cops is that if you need far more of them than your competitors because your Justice sytem no longer deters and your society has intractable, parasitic cultures breeding crime not dealt with - is that you have massive societal costs. No just cops, but lawyers, prisons, massive private security - all diverted from productive investment into taxes to pay for "hero protectors" and security overhead.

Blacks in America commit murder at 12 times the rate of Chinese, armed robbery at the same rate as Haitians but 34 times the rate of Israelis. And rape at 9 times the rate of native Europeans.

That is the root cause problem, not inadequacy of mitigation strategies like "more cops on the beat", "more welfare and midnight basketball!"

Be carefule of making false correlations. Sure, there was a rise in violent crime during the period when cops started doing their shifts in cars. But there also was a decline in equity in big cities during that time. Now places like New York are seeing record low violent crime they are also seeing record high equity. So which is it; police tactics or equity? I see more correlation with equity, because some communities with low crime rates have started to see an increase in crime now that the housing bubble burst. They didn't change police tactics.

I can't understand why there's a debate about cpos in cars versus foot patrols. Toody and Muldoon seemed to do the cops-in-a-car-on-the-street thing so well.

Maybe the outrageous rise in crime a generation after motor patrols started has something to do with tetraethyl lead in gasoline. Lead in the blood has proven permanent effects on children, costing 5 IQ points and raising violent crime rates for life.

So a societywide shift to motorized motion including police patrols leads to more crime and poverty a decade or two later. That is not distinct from the environmental effect; it's the same thing.

Maybe the outrageous rise in crime a generation after motor patrols started has something to do with tetraethyl lead in gasoline. Lead in the blood has proven permanent effects on children, costing 5 IQ points and raising violent crime rates for life.

So a societywide shift to motorized motion including police patrols leads to more crime and poverty a decade or two later. That is not distinct from the environmental effect; it's the same thing.

I live in north Baltimore, in the city. My neighborhood and the surrounding areas are what I would call moderately dense suburbs. There's many freestanding single-family houses, as on my street, but on lots of 1/4 acre at largest. Most lots are smaller. There's also a fair amount of denser housing like apartments, duplexes, etc. There are some parks, but otherwise no undeveloped land.

My immediate neighborhood is full of wealthy white liberals, and a sprinkling of other ethnicities, if not classes. So it's pretty safe. But there's still some minor crime "coming in from other areas" as I've heard said here. (This is coded talk to avoid crimespeak.)

I went to our neighborhood "COP" (citizens on patrol) meeting. A liason policeman from the city was present. He was pressed about the levels of patrolling police (in cars), basically because everyone wanted more cops visible in our neighborhood. The response was enlightening: the precinct which we are in, which measures roughly 2 miles east-west and 1 mile north-south, is patrolled by one cop car. This is an area which has perhaps 30 miles of streets within it, not counting alleys. Clearly, with the force levels the city currently allocates to us, there's no way a foot patrol could possible work.

This area is as dense as most parts of most American cities. IMO foot patrols would only be feasible in really dense areas, like Manhattan, or by rather drastically increasing the number of cops. Well, who wants to pay for that?

It's a quote from my book that started this whole discussion. Feel free to buy a copy. Cop in the Hood. It's damn good, if I do say so myself.

Leonard, my rule for foot patrol is anywhere most crime happens on foot, most police should be on foot. Here's my litmus test: look at the mailmen. If he delivers on foot, cops should patrol on foot. If the post office uses a car, then foot patrol probably isn't practical.

Baltimore, by the way, has more cops per person than many cities. It's just that things do get a little sparse up there in the Northern. I think North Baltimore is right on the verge of where foot patrol may or may not be useful. But the real question you should be asking is what good is that cop in a car?

There's a trade off. A car will often get slightly faster response times. But that doesn't do much good. A cop on bike or foot will be out talking to people and learning about problems through something other than 911 and 311 calls for service.

Either way, police should do what the public wants. And if the public wants foot patrol, who are the police brass to say no?

There's more on foot patrol on my www.copinthehood.com blog.

It's a quote from my book that started this whole discussion. Feel free to buy a copy. Cop in the Hood. It's damn good, if I do say so myself.

Leonard, my rule for foot patrol is anywhere most crime happens on foot, most police should be on foot. Here's my litmus test: look at the mailmen. If he delivers on foot, cops should patrol on foot. If the post office uses a car, then foot patrol probably isn't practical.

Baltimore, by the way, has more cops per person than many cities. It's just that things do get a little sparse up there in the Northern. I think North Baltimore is right on the verge of where foot patrol may or may not be useful. But the real question you should be asking is what good is that cop in a car?

There's a trade off. A car will often get slightly faster response times. But that doesn't do much good. A cop on bike or foot will be out talking to people and learning about problems through something other than 911 and 311 calls for service.

Either way, police should do what the public wants. And if the public wants foot patrol, who are the police brass to say no?

There's more on foot patrol on my www.copinthehood.com blog.


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