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14 Apr 2008 08:24 am

At the beginning of this web video, Michael O'Hanlon explains that the current pace of deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't sustainable. He also notes that the situation in Iraq is "nowhere near an acceptable or sustainable outcome." Under the circumstances, one might think that giving up on the Iraq operation in order to focus on Afghanistan in a sustainable way would be a good idea. But, of course, O'Hanlon believes we need to continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, even though he knows that such a policy isn't sustainable.

The solution, naturally enough, is foreign mercenaries. As he puts it, we need to go into "countries that have a fairly strong pro-American tendency and a very minimal al-Qaeda presence" and try to get their citizens to sign up, with the lure of U.S. citizenship offered as the bait. He gave the Philippines as an example (indeed, as many as 41 percent of Filipinos regard our military presence in the Middle East as bolstering stability, which is unusually high), and said that Donald Rumsfeld would go down in history as a bad Secretary of Defense specifically for his failure to implement a program of this sort. My feeling is that when it comes to this is when we can officially say that the American imperial project in Iraq has reached its decadent phase.

I mean, isn't this almost a self-refuting argument? According to Michael O'Hanlon, the only way to have any chance at accomplishing our mission in Iraq is to bolster our military by recruiting large numbers of foreigners into our armed services and this becomes an argument for recruiting the foreigners rather than ending the war. Really?

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Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.

This idea has many benefits that you overlook. For instance, the Eastern Roman empire made up its military primarily from mercenary/friendly alien ethnic groups, and that force became an effective instrument of domestic political control.

Of course, in situations like that the army becomes a political force in its own right, since the existing elite relies on it. But one thing that political force likes above all: endless war. You can see the attraction.

Isn't it amazing how all these people who want endless war can't bring themselves to suggest the one policy that would enable such a war: instituting a military draft? It's almost like they don't really think the war is worth Americans dying for it or them losing elections for the next generation. Go figure. And here I thought this was the major challenge of our time.

The U.S. military takes in formerly disqualified recruits and trains them to be efficient killers and organizers of killers. Gang bangers, Klansmen, skinheads, rapists and thieves all let loose on the public once their tour is done. And what becomes of them? Often it's induction into law enforcement, private security or back into a life of crime. Now it is proposed we bring in more of the same except they'll have no sense of citizenship as we know it, no understanding of our culture save the new traditions of preemptive killing, torture and imperialism we cultivate now. And they too will be let loose in the streets of America upon completing their tours? How many angry young men with an affinity for guns and violence, sporting gangsta tattoos and having limited employment prospects can this nation tolerate?

Vietnam is the reason that we don't have a draft. The imperialists learned that the country isn't really all that hipped on being SPQR-lite. Make the consequences of empire tangible and we'll (eventually) throw the rascals out.

I swear it must be parody.

I don't know.
Foreign legions are just a small step away from robot legions. And robot legions will eventually demand citizenship like their human foreign legion counterparts...
The takeaway from this is that O'Hanlon's obviously a cylon.
Science Daily's Robot Overlord Watch

The really outrageous thing is that we have a neoliberal traitor (or is he a neocon?) suggesting we outsource thousands of well paying american jobs during a recession. Also, I would like to note the inherent theoretical inconsistency of some poor brown person from a random third world country being able to share in upholding the white man's burden, a noble anglo-american tradition. That's three times wrong, by my count.

Ah well, at least Americans and Iraqis alike will continue to die or another eight months to keep George Bush's approval ratings from dropping from the upper to the lower twenties, whilst our treasure is nobly spent arming multiple sides in an ongoing civil war. Michael and I still have that.

I was wrong about Michael O'Hanlon being a chickenhawk for advocating war but not signing up for the US military. O'Hanlon is actually un faucon de poulet for not signing up for the French Foreign Legion. To recap, Michael O'Hanlon's not yellow, he's jaune.

OT: A joke about telling Michael O'Hanlon a knock-knock joke.

JOKESTER: Knock knock...
O'HANLON: [silence]
JOKESTER: Knock knock...
O'HANLON: [silence]
JOKESTER: KNOCK KNOCK!!!
O'HANLON: Did somebody say something?
JOKESTER: YES. I SAID KNOCK KNOCK.
O'HANLON: Speak up. The acoustics aren't so good here inside Gen. Petraeus's ass.

How Roman of him. Who says that O'Hanlon does not have designs on American Empire?

France's foreign legion worked okay for them, but I assume we'd manage to screw it up somehow. For the french, it was a way to recruit disposable soldiers for long service in distant lands using very harsh disciplinary measures. If we did it, the Pentagon would be forced to treat them the same as U.S. troops. Big benefit package, family allowances, vacations at home, insurance, etc.

What's the point?

No foreign mercenaries would be needed if only the following young super-warriors would go over there immediately... the whole thing would be won in ten days:

Military Service Eligible Children of George W. Bush:

Jenna Bush
Barbara Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Jeb Bush:

George P. Bush
Noelle Bush
John Ellis Bush Jr.

Military Service Eligible Children of Neil Bush:

Lauren Bush
Pierce Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Marvin Bush:

Marshall Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Dorothy Bush Koch:

Samuel LeBlond
Ellie LeBlond

I like it! Just need to modify the old Uncle Sam poster a bit--"I want YOU to come over and give me a hand with this!"

The idea of a foreign legion repulses me. But if Micronesia, Poland and Kosovo are willing to take O'Hanlon, Boot and the Kagans off our hands in exchange for some of their surplus cannon fodder, I'm willing to consider it.

George P. Bush is in the US Navy Reserve. His brother and sister, though, with their past legal troubles, probably couldn't enlist even under the current standards.

Some people might think the US Navy Reserve is easy duty, but he signed up for the Intelligence program, which has mobilized people left and right. There are a lot of "Sand Sailors" out there.

I'm sure the Filipinos and everyone else would love to be the grunts sent into the situations that would produce unacceptably high casualties if it were Americans.

I don't know.
Foreign legions are just a small step away from robot legions. And robot legions will eventually demand citizenship like their human foreign legion counterparts...

Shorter Mikey: I can haz clone wars?

Although the True Iraqis we and Maliki sent into Basra seem to have balked at that particular glory.

Next up: "Hell, let's just nuke the place."

We don't even give Iraqi's who have helped us haven or citizenship, maybe O'Hanlon Should quit writing and start shooting.

Helter,

Why the use of past tense? France still has a foreign legion (although, in practice, about half of its troops are Frenchmen who got into some sort of trouble that precluded them from joining the regular French military).

"Although the True Iraqis we and Maliki sent into Basra seem to have balked at that particular glory."

1,300 out of about 30,000 balked, and they have subsequently been canned, in a rare, but promising sign of Iraqi accountability. On the plus side, it's encouraging that the other 95.7% of Iraqi soldiers and police in Basra did fight, even if the operation wasn't well-planned by the Iraqis.

Jesus, how decadent this nation has become. "The struggle of our generation", really? This generation's WW2... seriously?

I feel like I'm living in a real-life Alice In Wonderland. Or the Matrix.

The anti-immigrant right would never go for this. Not unless we recruited our legionnaires in Norway.

White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism,

I'm sure you are looking forward to voting for John McCain, both of whose military age sons are serving in the military (one an Iraq-veteran enlisted Marine, and the other a midshipman in the Naval Academy), and one of whose older adopted sons served as a Naval Aviator. Probably reminds you of your family's proud military service record, no?

We could make up entire units of foreign-recruited soldiers, in order to minimize language difficulties, as long as the officers spoke English and could communicate with other US forces.

Because the units wouldn't have a history, we'd want to give them some, so might name the units to tie these units into US history...

We could call them Hessian regiments! That would work. And we could use them to occupy other people, yes. That is a fine plan.

But seriously, why does Michael O'Hanlon have a job?

Shorter LOL'Hanlon:

I can haz Hessians? No?

1,300 out of about 30,000 balked, and they have subsequently been canned, in a rare, but promising sign of Iraqi accountability. On the plus side, it's encouraging that the other 95.7% of Iraqi soldiers and police in Basra did fight, even if the operation wasn't well-planned by the Iraqis.
Posted by Fred | April 14, 2008 9:52 AM

I like that. It was the Iraqis' fault, not that there was anything much to find fault about, other than that the operation "wasn't well-planned by the Iraqis."

You do realize that our Iranian backed militia got routed by the enemy Iranian backed militia before Iran brokered a ceasefire, right?

i joked about this sort of thing in 2002 when bush started crying 'iraq' every day and argentina defaulted on $93 billion of its debt. (i.e., why not just bail out argentina by buying their army and then send them to iraq?) it's as laughable now as it was then.

Why settle for Filipinos? I'm sure we can round up some Franks, Lombards, Vandals, Visigoths and Ostrogoths as well.

"That public virtue which among the ancients was denominated patriotism, is derived from a strong sense of our own interest in the preservation and prosperity of the free government of which we are members. Such a sentiment, which had rendered the legions of the republic almost invincible, could make but a very feeble impression on the mercenary servants of a despotic prince….”

Edward Gibbon

or..

"...Constantine and his successors armed and instructed, for the ruin of the empire, the rude valour of the Barbarian mercenaries."

i'm guessing o'hanlon's not going to be in the 'top friends' on blackwater's myspace page anymore.

Shortest empire ever.
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Why are these people hell-bent on making every mistake in the history books? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" Was George Santayana simply a hispanoislamofascist?

And finance this plan HOW, Michael? Bush won't fund a mercenary plan with a tax increase or spending cut any more than he'll call for a military draft.

1,300 out of about 30,000 balked, and they have subsequently been canned, in a rare, but promising sign of Iraqi accountability.

Well, that's one way to look at it, I suppose. The Iraqi army is made up largely of militia members who hold dual loyalties. When Maliki decided to go after al Sadr's operation in Basra, members of the Badr militia were thrilled. Sadr loyalists quit or defected. (That's not the same thing a balking by the way.)

This isn't a promising sign of accountability. It's evidence that the Iraqi central government is becoming dominated by one faction. They're busy purging those who aren't loyal - but it isn't loyalty to the government that they're selecting for.

"Why are these people hell-bent on making every mistake in the history books?"

because they believe they have been granted the straussian powers to find the true, esoteric meaning of everything ever written.

Shorter O'Hanlon: winning this war is so important that I'm prepared to sacrifice everything except my own cushy pundit ass for it.

Wasn't the first US Army soldier killed in Iraq a non-citizen from El Salvador?

As a matter of strategy, wouldn't it just be cheaper to mount a hostile takeover of Al Qaida ?
We can borrow the money from the Bank of China,
and buy the whole organization for perhaps a
couple of billion. Milo Minderbinder can set up
the deal: he's already got ties with AQ through a
contract to plant roadside bombs (subcontracted
to KBR).

Alternatively, the logistics would work out
cheaper if we hired Iranians rather than Indonesians: they're right next door with a big
population and a weak economy. And they're
similarly unassociated with AQ.

Third option provided by business consultants:
the problem of spreading democracy is not just an issue in Iraq, but worldwide. So the correct approach is to find a partner organization which already has the necessary global presence and
leverage their investment. Research indicates
that four organizations have the right profile:

a) McDonalds
b) The Coca-Cola Corporation
c) The Catholic Church
d) The Microsoft Corporation

We also considered the Comintern as a possibility,
but found that it's market positioning and brand
equity has suffered a significant decline.

We therefore suggest negotiating with each of
these organizations to form a worldwide partnership to promote democracy and American values. To minimize cost, we may be able to offer
synergistic branding and product marketing opportunities and other incentives: for example,
offering the Pope a cabinet-level position in the
US government; providing naming rights for the
"Coca-Cola White House" or "the Microsoft Pentagon"; constructing golden arches on the
National Mall, etc.

And finance this plan HOW, Michael?

Plunder.

Although this idea is a non-starter in terms of reality, in terms of Michael O'Hanlon's career, it is an exciting opportunity. He will again get column space in the Washington Post and the New York Times, plus numerous inserts into Fox News shows, to promote this idiocy. When you are a guest star, you have to try harder.

You have to give him credit. Having a base of no knowledge about Iraq, and not caring to repair that lack in the last five years, he has made himself the go to expert on Iraq for people like, oh, Fred Hiatt. True, he is a disgusting person - the D.C. Madam has had a much more distinguished, honorable and useful career, and O'hanlon is the equivalent of a great big green garbage fly - but just as garbage flies do survive and thrive, O'Hanlon has years and years of mischief before him.

Fighting in Iraq: another job Americans just won't do.

Nothing wrong with the idea, but it does seem odd that such things even come up for discussion in a country of 300 millions that is still in most measurable ways the richest society in world history.

For most of my life, we've been spending kazillions every year to maintain a military establishment that was supposed to be able to fight and win two major wars at the same time in two different parts of the globe. Now we're being told that we have to recruit foreign mercenaries in order to provide assistance to two allied governments in their own countries against low-intensity insurgencies?

I want my money back.

Nothing wrong with the idea, but it does seem odd that such things even come up for discussion in a country of 300 millions that is still in most measurable ways the richest society in world history.

For most of my life, we've been spending kazillions every year to maintain a military establishment that was supposed to be able to fight and win two major wars at the same time in two different parts of the globe. Now we're being told that we have to recruit foreign mercenaries in order to provide assistance to two allied governments in their own countries against low-intensity insurgencies?

I want my money back.

We already have a huge number of "contractors" in Iraq. How many of these are foreign nationals? I suspect O'Hanlon is just describing the condition on the ground as it already exists and adding the carrot of US citizenship to the equation. How exactly are we supposed to pay for all these extra mercenaries when paying for the current ones is already a huge financial burden on the nation (albeit shifted to the future where it will hurt more)?

We already have a huge number of "contractors" in Iraq. How many of these are foreign nationals? I suspect O'Hanlon is just describing the condition on the ground as it already exists and adding the carrot of US citizenship to the equation. How exactly are we supposed to pay for all these extra mercenaries when paying for the current ones is already a huge financial burden on the nation (albeit shifted to the future where it will hurt more)?

"How exactly are we supposed to pay for all these extra mercenaries when paying for the current ones is already a huge financial burden on the nation (albeit shifted to the future where it will hurt more)?"

i plan on eventually registering as a republican; then the burden of worrying about that will be magically erased from my mind.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

It seems that there are a lot of people (O'Hanlon not least among them, apparently) who are not aware that we already accept individuals who are not American citizens into our military. With the explicit promise that they can become citizens at the end of their enlistment. For some, it's better than trying to qualify for immigration.

Just one problem: I seem to recall reading lately that there have been some difficulties with these guys actually getting what was promised. That would have to be fixed, and convincingly fixed, for O'Hanlon's idea to have any real chance of success.

The utter shamelessness of these people is astounding!They know if they institute a draft the war will be over in a day,so how do they get around it?Im sorry but didnt rome collapse becouse of the over extention and militerism?Maybe thats their true agenda.

Well, I rarely agree with "Robert Powell", but his post above is a major exception.

When the neocons start losing all the Robert Powells of this world, you can tell their goose is really cooked!

Powell must be on his meds today.

My reaction to the O'Hanlon story? "You can't make this stuff up, folks."

Actually, the reason why they're floating this now is because they know Bush and Cheney are going to attack Iran - and clearly the US military isn't going to be able to handle the blowback on that one, despite all the fantasies about air and naval power handling the whole job. The Iranians will put paid to that notion pretty damn quick - and the Iraqi Shia will be happy to get on board as well. As William Lind has prophesized, we could see the loss of the entire US army in Iraq.

Besides which, hell, they have 100,000 mercenaries in Iraq already as contractors. How many more do they need? Do they need the 500,000 Shinsheki said they should have sent in the first place?

Sorry, but if our national civilian political leadership cannot convince real Americans [to include legal immigrants] to volunteer for military service in support of national objectives, then our national civilian political leadership should reconsider those objectives.

Operation Yellow Elephant, a non-partisan grass roots citizens initiative to Support Our President, encourages all those eligible to serve [healthy heterosexuals 41-or-under], who support what President Bush is trying to achieve, at least to consider volunteering for military service.

If military service becomes "a job Americans won't do," it is because America does not want to do it.

Think about it.

To R Powell's credit he's always stated that we've spent way too much, and now unsurprisingly he says we've gotten too little gain.

Of course I agree. For the welfare office to show as little return on investment as the military has in the last 40 years, they would've had to stand on street corners and hand out heroin to America's impoverished.

"Sorry, but if our national civilian political leadership cannot convince real Americans [to include legal immigrants] to volunteer for military service in support of national objectives, then our national civilian political leadership should reconsider those objectives."

Of course, it's a falsehood to say real Americans are not volunteering for military service. All four branches of the military have been meeting or exceeding their recruitment and retention goals for quite some time now.

"Sorry, but if our national civilian political leadership cannot convince real Americans [to include legal immigrants] to volunteer for military service in support of national objectives, then our national civilian political leadership should reconsider those objectives."

Of course, it's a falsehood to say real Americans are not volunteering for military service. All four branches of the military have been meeting or exceeding their recruitment and retention goals for quite some time now.


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