It seems that John McCain is the kind of straight-talker who lets his wife know how he really feels, describing her as a "cunt" and a "trollop" when he's displeased. What do you think the age cutoff is below which it becomes utterly implausible that someone would use the term "trollop" in a non-ironic context?
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Trollop
07 Apr 2008 06:01 pm
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I think this is the kind of vacuous criticism of McCain that we would all be correctly decrying if it were targeted at Hilary or Obama. Probably just wins him points with the Chris Matthews of the world too.
But good for him for saying "trollop", at least his active vocab is larger than Dubya's.
Matthew!!? Isn't this just a BIT tabloid? A he-said account (even if it was supposedly verified) still doesn't make it true. Even if it is, not sure we should air it (unless it's a part of a larger story, like he's abusive or something).
Yikes.
Some world leader will look at him funny, and we're off to World War 3!
McCain goes all Don Logan on his wife?
What do you think the age cutoff is below which it becomes utterly implausible that someone would use the term "trollop" in a non-ironic context?
137.
AKBY, the larger story is that McCain has a vicious temper that makes him unsuited to be president.
137.
Even that's too low. That word hasn't been in active use since around the middle of the 19th century. This story is even better than parody.
I think the more troubling aspect of this is not that he called his wife a "cunt," but that he did so for no apparent provocation and could not stop himself from doing so in front of reporters.
It makes you wonder what happens when the reporters are not around.
The quote is, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop". I've never seen a trollop, as far as I know. Certainly never anyone who identified herself as a trollop. Was Tammy Faye Bakker one? Because nobody slathered on the Revlon quite like her.
www.cliffschecter.com?
Another jew media hatchetman a la David Brock...
We are the cunts we have been waiting for.
Matt, focus, please. You find out that McCain uses the words "cunt" and "trollop" on his wife and you choose to highlight the fact that using "trollop" makes him old?
How about highlighting that using "cunt" makes him a misogynistic douche?
Burying the lede and all.
This is just more slime from the Left Wing Noise Machine. You'll see - it goes from an obscure slimebucket book to Raw Story to (now) The Atlantic and next to The NY Times and CBS. That's how the Left Wing Noise Machine works. And we know that the Left Wing Noise Machine is actively trying to slime McCain in order to help Obama - the NY Times tried it earlier this year with its slimy story implying McCain had an affair. It's how the Left works these days - slime, slime, slime. (And Obama is, of course, right there in the slime too, repeating the "100 years of war" lie even though he knows it is a lie and has been called on that lie repeatedly.)
1) I don't care for McCain but I think it's dirty pool to bring this incident up and to NOT note that it occurred over 15 YEARS ago -- in early 1992.
2) On the other hand, I do think that it's fair to note that --like John Kerry -- Senator McCain made his money the hard way: he married for it.
I'm sure that his manners have improved since 1992 -- as a result of constantly having to ask for walking around money.
It's too bad that McCain's rich wife doesn't smoke -- else we would be treated to the hilarious sight of "Warrior McCain" constantly leaping to light her cigarette.
3) I wonder if there are any videos of McCain dancing the tango with her?? We could put a rose in his teeth with Photoshop.
If that's not straight talk, I don't know what is.
"Was Tammy Faye Bakker one?"
I think we can say she applied dollops of trollopy goodness.
I just can't quite wrap my mind around the same person using both of those words
Are we really going to have to put up with stupid McCain bashing posts this all the way until November?
I think I should start using "trollop" more often when arguing with my wife. "Strumpet, "harlot," and "chippy" are getting a bit stale.
Al talks about the "Left Wing Noise Machine".
It is to laugh.
"implying McCain had an affair"
Anybody seen that woman ANYWHERE? Interviewed her? SEEN her? She's vanished like the Flying Dutchman...If McCain hasn't got her stuffed in the trunk of a car like Cameron's future prom date, I don't know where she might be.
Don, McCain with a rose in his teeth? That would insult Andrea Corr who actually did that dancing with Bono at Live 8 in Edinburgh (imagining herself as Carmen Miranda or something.) Maybe we could PhotoShop McCain in place of Bono...Nah, that would be even more insulting to Andrea. Bono's bad enough, even if they are good friends.
Al repeats the lie that the "100 years" story is itself a lie, when everyone knows McCain said it and we all know what he meant by it - that he's too fucking stupid to know that there will never be a period for the next two or three Iraqi generations when US troops can reside in Iraq without being shot.
Are we really going to have to put up with stupid McCain bashing posts like this all the way until November?
Guys: This really is disturbing to me. I can't speak for all women, obviously, but I imagine it is disturbing to most women. I hope. My marriage would be in immediate counseling sessions or something if my husband called me a cunt in front of the press. Seriously, this is awful.
Are we really going to have to put up with stupid McCain bashing posts like this all the way until November?
These displease you? You want we should stop?
Like AlanC9, I'm really intrigued by the fact that McCain can flip from the comically outdated to the obscene so quickly. I expect a McCain administration would follow the same pattern.
Don,
True, but at least Kerry had already been divorced form his first wife for several years before he even met his rich 2nd wife, McCain treated his first wife in Gingrichian ways...
Ivan,
I think MY’s not emphasizing the offensiveness of this usage explicitly comes from the view that “the thing speaks for itself.” So he’s really not burying the lede.
"Eat penguin shit and die you craven poltroon! And get off my lawn!"
Someone more tech savvy than I should put together a Random McCainerator drawing from a list of Archaic Insults and South Park.
Ho-lee crap TheF79. F-in' good stuff.
The problem with McCain's temper isn't that he'll piss off some other world leader... presumably he won't do any worse than Dubya did when he gave the German chancellor an unauthorized massage. But what he will do is have a staff full of cowed people who will try very hard to never tell him anything he doesn't want to hear. (In fact, this sounds like Dubya too.)
I don't approve of the language. That said, it is between him and Cindy. Until there is a messy divorce, it can stay there. I don't elect spouses or remote-manage any candidate's marriage.
I think there is a larger point about McCain's temper, but if it's to be made it needs to be with things that actually mattered legislatively. There's plenty of evidence that a politician's behavior in matters of the public trust and private trust are only loosely connected, as convenient as a linkage would be for most narratives.
I'll even defend his divorce from his first wife, because my unscientific sample suggests most long-time POWs who returned wound up divorced--it's just too much for one person to go through, that the other can't. Great romances are written about Penelope, but in the real world her life has moved on, as has his.
He appears to get along with all his kids from both marriages. Puts him ahead of Reagan and Giuliani.
i don't care at all...what people say in the context of their personal lives in moments of frustration are entirely none of our business!
c'mon...do we really care what someone says in the context of a personal feud with a spouse...i know McCain's policies are the death of this country...we gotta stop with this personal BS! Haven't you ever said anything to someone close to you in the heat of the moment that might not have been appropriate...c'mon matt do we really need to be discussing this..can't we talk about Bob's Somerby's point concerning Frank Rich, McCain, Iraq, and the ULTIMATE FOLLOW-UP question that really needs to be asked!
Kerry wasn't divorced. His marriage was annulled.
From my senior perspective, I can add a little on the word "trollop." In my freshman year at Amherst, we're talking 1965 here, the president of Smith (Thom Mendenhall, I believe) went on a tirade about Smith women hitchhiking, in which he said that any woman who would hitchhike was (or was acting like, I don't remember) a "tramp or a trollop." And about got laughed out of the place for his word choice. So I would suspect it was a usable word for those coming of age in the 30's, but not since.
Are we really going to have to put up with stupid McCain bashing posts [like] this all the way until November?
God, I hope so.
Kerry wasn't divorced. His marriage was annulled.
...after his then-wife bore their two daughters. PoTAYtoes, poTAHtoes. The State of Massachusetts granted them a divorce in '88, the Church the annulment in '97.
Yeah dropping the C bomb in private is one thing (who knows, maybe its part of some weird yet consensual game they play), but to call your wife that in public, that's pretty damn disrespectful.
Seriously, I can't think of a single other public figure who would do that. Its hard to believe that even McCain would be that crass. Then again, he did publicly insult a female aide during a NY Times interview. Stay classy John.
On a flight from Burlington, Vt., to Warwick, R.I., on Thursday, Mr. McCain volunteered that Brooke Buchanan, his spokeswoman who was seated nearby and rolling her eyes, “has a lot of her money hidden in the Cayman Islands” and that she earned it by “dealing drugs.” Previously, Mr. McCain has identified Ms. Buchanan as “Pat Buchanan’s illegitimate daughter,” “bipolar,” “a drunk,” “someone with a lot of boyfriends” and “just out of Betty Ford.”
It is only a matter of time before some viewer, listener or reader complains — recovering addicts, for example, mental illness sufferers, or, for that matter, Pat Buchanan himself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17mccain.html?ref=politics
Hector,
You Catholics can play silly semantic's games with each other so you can pretend to follow arcane rules that most of you don't even believe in anyway, but in the real world when people are married for over a decade and have 2 children together we don't prentend the marriage never happened.
You might also note that the article specifically mentions the context: Cindy had merely made a mild joke at his expense - and he erupted. He later claimed he was "tired", but that hardly helps. Presidents tend to be "tired" a lot because the job is demanding. If McCain is the sort to "blow up" when he's "tired" - and at his age, when isn't he "tired" - it bodes ill for the country.
The context is important. It's not just that he used a demeaning word to his wife in public - it's when, where and why.
What's he going to do when Ahmadinejad mildly criticizes him for some statement about Iran in public? Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?
Note that this incident is not that significant overall. What IS significant is McCain's overall inability to 1) know anything, 2) have policy implementations to talk about, 3) have a realistic view of practically anything going on in the world today.
The man is a dangerously ignorant, belligerent, militaristic, and deluded individual who is almost certainly going to be a worse President than Bush - and he doesn't seem to even have anybody talking in his ear like Bush has Cheney. He's likely to prove uncontrollable by anybody.
The only candidate I've seen this past year who might have been worse than McCain is Giuliani. And Giuliani didn't last long, which makes him considerably less dangerous than McCain, who is being given a free pass by everyone due to his war record. Apparently having been a POW is justification for ignoring gross ignorance, bellicosity, and incompetence.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
I had a girlfriend once whose email password was "trollop."
interesting, I know.
That is damaging stuff with the half of the electorate that KNOWS you just don't call a woman the 'c' word. Most women who hear that McCain demeaned his wife in public in that fashion are going to instantly lower their opinion of him several notches.
To those who'd say this is irrelevant I'd say it certainly speaks strongly to McCain's character. It's a clear indication of a vicious temper and a disrespectful nature. Not to mention it is electoral gold for the Democrats.
I love the word "trollop". It's so, so Jane Austin-y.
However, I hate the word "cunt", unless directed solely at Barbara Bush, Sr.
There are few curse words I won't and don't use, but "c***" is one of them. I just read this post to my wife, and couldn't do it without turning red.
This is a beautiful example of cultural dialect, as the Brits use the word "cunt" almost like Americans use the word "bitch". Arsenal fans routinely refer to Ashley Cole, who left for a rival team, as Cuntley Cunt. I'm about half as offended by this as I would have been before I started reading UK sports blogs.
It is relevant, and hugely politically important, as most Americans don't read political blogs. It's sensational in a way that everyone can understand, but is not deceptive. It's of a piece with how he treats people.
And Hector, you know nothing about how Catholicism works if you think he wasn't legally divorced.
Well, we can all agree that McCain is an asshole, but can we also agree that he's really old? He's like Abe Simpson's grandfather. The word "trollop" was anachronistic that it tells you that John McCain was born old and cranky.
I'd really like to have a bowl-off between him and Obama now. Obama may be bad, but McCain can't look very good doing anything remotely physical. He'd probably slip and break a hip or something.
My marriage would be in immediate counseling sessions or something if my husband called me a cunt in front of the press.
I think counseling is called for only if the husband calls a news conference for the express purpose of calling his wife a cunt in front of the press.
Didn't Giuliani do that to one of his wives?
I just can't quite wrap my mind around the same person using both of those words
John McCain: At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.
Cindy McCain: You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?
John McCain: You're the vulgarian, you fuck!
"Incontinent in character and in fact; McCain 2008!"
McCain in November 2007 rejected a Korea-style role for the military. I presume that means that 100 years of solitude for the army in Iraq since he also rejected a role for the military if we're in their getting killed. So, we're not there as a garrison and we're not there fighting.
In short, McCain gums his ideas the way he gums his food.
Jane Austin-y
Roger that.
We'll never get a clearer experiment than McCain to test whether Bill Clinton's thesis that America loves people who are 'strong and wrong' is right.
He's realllll wrong, and realllll strong.
Yeehaw!
This happened in 1992? Get a grip, Matt. This would be marginally newsworthy if it happened yesterday . But 15 years ago?
Get a grip.
McCain goes all Don Logan on his wife?
Posted by shecky | April 7, 2008 6:15 PM
A "Sexy Beast" reference - excellent!!!
"I won't let you; why should I?"
Re Richard's comment "You might also note that the article specifically mentions the context: Cindy had merely made a mild joke at his expense - and he erupted"
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That is the surface appearance. But NO ONE knows what is going on inside a marriage except for a husband and wife. Including their marriage counselor.
So I'm usually inclined to avoid judgment -- for the same reason that I don't referee grudge matches between wolverines.
C**T! C**T?
What a maroon! What an imBESsul! What a ninkin poop!
Guy's gotta know the bestest cumback woulda bin:
"Yeeaahhh, well yer ass sucks canal water!"
"So I'm usually inclined to avoid judgment -- for the same reason that I don't referee grudge matches between wolverines."
Agreed.
I'm much more concerned about tales of barely controlled rage coming from his Senate colleagues and military officials. Now, one could chalk that up to jealousy, petty disputes or plain dislike. But watching the ashen look on their faces as they describe such incidents certainly gives one pause...
I thought McCain did a fine job portraying Vulcan in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.
What a stupid post! Are you a moron or what? What are you McCain Haters going to do when he is elected as the 44th President of the United States in November? Lots of crying towels psychopathic drugs for you.
What do you think the age cutoff is below which it becomes utterly implausible that someone would use the term "trollop" in a non-ironic context?
38.
In 1990 I was 20 years old and talking to a girl at a party. My girlfriend gets there and I walk over to her. The first thing she says is, "So, you like talking to that f--kin' trollop?" Apparently they didn't get along.
So it's at most 38.
What, not even an offer to bomb, bomb, bomb her? Didn't he warn her that he knew about how she and Iran were training AlQaeda? Is the old warmonger finally losing his touch? He is a bit doddery after all. Still, it's good to know he's practising his foreign policy on the domestic front.
Matt:
Using Schecter as a source? His Blog title is The Antagonist. Come on. Even you can do better than that.
Cryin's tawels and tose pasychic drugs for youse loser moronos. Fugetaboutit!!! Cain's da bomb, man. Get it, get it? Da bomb! Fuckin' highlariuos. Fugetaboutit!!!
I guess all Obama has to do is make a crack about Mccain's hair during the first debate and its all over-I'd hate to see what 19th century racial slurs he might know.
I rather like trollop and would be pleased to see it make a comeback. It's much better than ho.
Dude...
I am all for the McCain bashing but when the McCain Blogger Troll Syndicate shows up it is time to cool it.
Maybe take a week off then come up with a code name for him. A few suggestions... Oldy Olsen, Captain Insano, Al's Baby Daddy, etc.
Otherwise what am I gonna do for my blog fix... go cry into a towel with my sociopathic wars? Come on Matt do it for the children.
Poor Matt has seen better days. If the guy uses a source like RawStory, that quotes a book by a guy like Cliff Schecter who quotes anonymous sources, well then I guess he'll buy just about anything.
After looking up trollop (English is my third language, sorry) I still can't see the relevance of this gossip. Being in the public arena shouldn't mean a free for all and unrestrained personal attacks by those in a position to do so. We don't and cannot expect saints to run for public office, so even if this rubbish is true so what?
14 y.o.
I use trollop non-ironically.
Harlot and strumpet, too.
14 y.o.
I use trollop non-ironically.
Harlot and strumpet, too.
14 y.o.
I use trollop non-ironically.
Harlot and strumpet, too.
In John's defense, his wife really is a c***.
Plus, what's with all that make up? She looks like a trollop.
Deborah, I heard that his kids from his first wife didn't even attend his second wedding because they were pissed. Did I hear wrong?
That's a $100 million dollar trollop to you, Juan McAmnesty!
John McCain = Frank Booth? don't be a good neighbor to her.....nsfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJtGCvKpEWM
Wow. He calls his wife a cunt? I don’t know what she is doing with him. He’s not the first man I’ve heard use that term to describe his wife (to her face) but, for me, that would be a divorceable offence. If the level of respect in that marriage is so low that he uses that UGLY, DISGUSTING word on her, that says enough.
When you and your partner are really mad at each other, you might call him an asshole and he might ask you why you’re being a bitch, but hatefully hurling the word cunt at a woman takes things to a whole other level of vitriol. It is a revolting word and a man that uses it on his wife deserves a lot of pain. My husband would be in trouble if he used that on me in PRIVATE, never mind if it was in front of the press !?!?. Oh boy.
You retards will believe even the most asinine and specious bullshit if it reinforces your prejudices. Let's have one of these "reporters" come forward publicly. Then we can talk about it.
It's unfair to call Cindy McCain a cunt. What she is, by the standards of the "family values" GOP, is a homewrecking whore, since she was fucking John McCain while he was still married to his disabled 1st wife.
So "trollop" may apply, by GOP standards. Let's be fair.
WTF is wrong with this guy? I know a lot of men in their thirties who would be horrified at the idea of calling their wife the "c" word, much less men McCain's age. All the political ramifications aside, I just find that personally repellent. It's comparable to...I don't know...belittling your husband's penis size in public. The guy has absolutely no class.
"Then we can talk about it."
Yes, let's! It'll be like brunch. I'll bring the mimosa, you bring the dish! Be just like my favorite scenes from Dynasty!
"Oh no you didn't, you bitch!"
"Oh yes I did, you...
Cut to the catfight in the champaign fountain...
Harold Macmillan famously declared that he liked to curl up with a good Trollope...
At least Larry Sinclair was willing to use his name when he claimed that he had done drugs and had gay sex with Barack Obama. Too bad the reporters who allegedly heard McCain use the C-word (and T-word) on his wife don't have the stones to step forward (assuming they exist).
What's the big deal about the c-word? Some new and super-enlightened Jewess should pen a Monologue about the cunt and make a million bucks.
The Flapping Lips of Shopping and The Benefits of Psycho Analysis.
Guys --
It is completely unacceptable to call a woman a cunt. Ever. Say it to her face, and she's absolutely justified in kneeing you in the balls. Say it in public, I'd advocate cutting off your little dickie and flushing it down the toilet. When this gets the widespread attention it's due (after all, THREE JOURNALISTS witnessed this pathetic outburst), women will treat McNasty like the herpes pustule he is.
Get a clue. The man is toxic.
It's amusing to watch all the Obamabots who shrugged off Randi Rhodes calling Clinton and Ferraro "fucking whores" and regularly make misogynistic remarks about Clinton suddenly pivot into horror at the c-word.
Give it a rest. First, there's no evidence that it happened. Second, it was about the time that Cindi McCain was stealing drugs, so who knows? Maybe he was pissed at her about that. Finally, as some have observed, all sorts of nonsense happens in marriages on a bad day.
Someone should clue St. McCain on the really nasty word in Hindi that roughly means a huge cunt, but is too vulgar even when you just try to sound it out.
John McCain = Frank Booth? don't be a good neighbor to her.....nsfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJtGCvKpEWM
He was clearly referring to a formerly famous Victorian novelist that nobody reads anymore.
Seriously, Matt. There are so many things to legitimately criticize McCain for, but this is just bush-league.
Grow up.
That age would be about 150.
There is something quaint about the trollop, less so about cunt.
Give it a rest. First, there's no evidence that it happened. Second, it was about the time that Cindi McCain was stealing drugs, so who knows? Maybe he was pissed at her about that. Finally, as some have observed, all sorts of nonsense happens in marriages on a bad day.
Posted by Cal
Ah the first she deserved it post from Cal Thomas yeah !
Now a round up of other yahoo punditry:
Weekly Standard spin: She is a fucking whore and a fucking cunt
NRO spin: While we think trollop is accurate we think she is really more of a f*cking bitch.
McCain trolls just flooding out of the woodwork for this one!
I'm not one to overamp on the word itself - in fact, it was used in the movie "The Bank Job" the other night to describe a brothel madam who revealed to a Brit MP that she had pictures of him being whipped by a prostitute. If you were him, you would have used the word, too, faced with that level of public embarrassment.
As I said earlier, the issue is not the word - it's where, when and why it was used, and as an indication that McCain has too rabid a temper to be President.
And for that reason, it doesn't matter whether it happened fifteen years ago or yesterday.
John McCain = Frank Booth? don't be a good neighbor to her.....nsfw
Obviously "Don't you fucking look at me" would have been more appropriate but that clip was great.
A joy ride on the Straight Talk Express.
Now, now!
When McCain called his wife a 'trollop,' that could have been a flattering reference to the lovely Tananda of Robert Asprin's "Another Fine Myth" series. (She's the one on the left.)
Can't make any excuses for 'cunt,' though. That's just plain nasty.
"It's amusing to watch all the Obamabots who shrugged off Randi Rhodes..."
Don't speak for me, thank you very much. What Randi Rhodes said was inexcusable and I believe she was suspended from Air America (which is the appropriate recourse).
As I stated earlier, the "c***" was fifteen years ago and even if true it is irrelevant.
What is relevant is what McCain is saying now to his Senate colleagues, military officials, and officials from foreign governments.
"Finally, as some have observed, all sorts of nonsense happens in marriages on a bad day."
No. Calling someone a c*** is totally unacceptable under any circumstances. And BTW, dragging out someone's past or present drug use/abuse is particularly unkind.
Guys: This really is disturbing to me. I can't speak for all women, obviously, but I imagine it is disturbing to most women. I hope. My marriage would be in immediate counseling sessions or something if my husband called me a cunt in front of the press. Seriously, this is awful.
I wonder if Hillary's female supporters threatening to vote for John McCain (if Obama gets the Dem nomination) might have some second thoughts after reading this. Say what you will about Barack Obama, but it seems to me that he treats Michelle with nothing but respect.
Cunt is a perfectly fine word. Word of advice to guys - never ever date the kind of woman who finds "cunt" totally obscene, unacceptable or worse, can't even bring themselves to say it. That attitude is a sign of a provincial mind, no sense of humor, and serious self-image problems.
Brits won't be offended by the "C" word, as has been noted. Englishmen fondly refer to each other as "old cunts" all the time, but object to being referred to as an "old bastard," common among my American father's generation as an affectionate greeting attended by clap on the back. Cunt is not usually directed toward women. SLAG is Brits' worst female epithet, yes? Just for fun -- what about the word "fanny?" Such an innocent word in American English, a cute word, like "tushie." In British English ... fanny means ... "C." And a fanny pack, in British English would be ... never mind ... Britons say "bum-bag."
Dontcha just love language? Yeah, but ... WOW did McCain ever cross a line on the American side of the pond. It's just not done. It's not. It's the ultimate insult for an American woman. Those are fightin' words, brothers.
I wanna see some Republican WOMEN in here defending McC*nt. Stand by your Republican man. Go ahead, I dare ya. Malkin! What's your take? Coulter . . . some self-alliteration perhaps?
Let's not forget that McCain's first wife was disabled, and completely dumbfounded by his demand for a divorce in order to marry Cindy. His kids weren't very happy at first, but apparently McCain's son, at least, has somewhat fonder feelings for his step-mother since she endowed him with a lucrative beer distributorship.
Vanya!
What's your nationality? You can't be an American man. If you are, good luck finding a date who's happy to hear you scream "C" at her.
How can you possibly suggest
"Cunt is a perfectly fine word. Word of advice to guys - never ever date the kind of woman who finds "cunt" totally obscene, unacceptable or worse, can't even bring themselves to say it. That attitude is a sign of a provincial mind, no sense of humor, and serious self-image problems."
Is there a cultural context here? Clue me.
McCain wasn't indulging in raunchy, hot sex-talk. He was angry. He wanted to make her feel SMALL, nothing, lower than dirt ... and maybe he figured the reporters would keep mum, "between us guys."
Do you have a worse word to offer? What do you say when you want to make your woman feel less than human? When you really want to hurt and humiliate her?
Please Greta. There are plenty of things you can say to make someone feel hurt and humiliated. In my experience, most women who find "cunt" to be super taboo are women who have self-image problems. Personally I think "ugly bitch", say, or "stupid cow" are far more misogynistic, demeaning and humiliating expression - "cunt" is just an epithet, when you say someone is "ugly" or "stupid" you often mean it. And yeah, I've spent a lot of time overseas in the UK and that's probably one reason I find the American attitude towards "cunt" really priggish.
Vanya, I assume you lead a lonely life, moanastic even. British women aren't too impressed by that sort of language either. Trust me, I grew up in Britain.
Any male under 50 who uses "trollop" has just outed himself as a member of the Great Geek Tribe. Same with "strumpet." If anything, the techno-reactionaries who infest the net will now see J. Sidney as younger than he is.
Vanya. Please conduct your own little experiment in which you try to teach American women that "cunt" is really acceptable. I suggest you use it early and often. Let those priggish American women know how cosmopolitan you are. I'm sure they'll be impressed at how you use "cunt" in the British fashion. They'll no doubt see the difference and understand you're using it in a non-offensive way as do the Brits. After all it's just an epithet.
McCain trolls. Keep telling us how it doesn't matter! Please! I suggest you post far and wide that even though John McCain called his wife a "cunt" in front of reporters it doesn't really tell us anything more about him than the fact he sang "bomb bomb bomb Iran". Which is nothing! He was just joking!
Curt M:
You think McC*nt's joking about Iran? I wish.
Like I said, get some Republican women in here to defend McCain. Someone from Christians United for Israel, for example. Or Condi Rice.
Step up, ladies!
Had McCain simply said, "To the moon, Cindy" he could have simultaneously showed off his misogyny as well as his old timey decrepitude.
Well over 100 comments, imagine the number of independent page-views!
MY is clearly on the page-views bonus kick again -- bring up a fully salacious (but oh-so-last-century) story. Maybe Rupert Murdoch secretly reads these pages for promising young material!
This is the kind of crap we would expect from Daily Kos or Huffington
Post, a lefty partisan garbage site.
But it is totally unacceptable on the Atlantic.
The story is untrue, unsourced and has been published by a complete no
name with no substantiation.
CurtM,
I don't tend to hang out a lot with PTA housewives, GOP activists, or church-ladies. The women in my circles tend to be strong independent types who don't get a case of the vapors when they hear a bad word. And let's be clear, I'm not saying Hannah Montana should start calling people "cunts" on TV, nor am I in any way defending McCain's manners - of course "cunt" is a pretty nasty insult the way he used it. But there's no reason to act like "cunt" is so so much worse than "bitch" or "whore" or whatever other nasty insult you want to chooses. That is to say, McCain's general nastiness and contempt for others should be the issue, not this particular word. McCain's boorishness doesn't go so far that I have to have any sympathy for the bluebloods who can't even spell out a grand old anglo-saxon word without getting hives.
America is a great country, but my god what a bunch of uptight prigs we are. Don't misbehave, don't swear, don't drink to excess, don't eat fatty food, don't smoke, don't express non-mainstream political views in public, wear your bike helmet, have safe-sex and only within the bounds of a state sanctioned monogamous relationship, enjoy life but please only in healthy moderation. I suppose there's something to be said for all of that - maybe our priggishness is why we function politically a little better than a place like Russia, and maybe in a multicultural society that attitude is the only real way to keep the peace, but what happened to our independent pioneer spirit?
If we give in to these forces, if we let these liberals and their agenda manipulate our government, ruin our place in the world, destroy our allies faith in us, destroy the faith in those that may seek us out in need, destroy the fiber and moral of our honorable military men and women . . . then we surely are allowing a minority of misguided ideologues to write off those hopes and dreams of America. What would be the result of that, world wide my friends? The thought makes me shudder.
John McCain understands there are areas of this world that require our presence, our attention, our assistance and our monitoring. They are absolutely essential to preserving any type of world peace.
John McCain will send a message to those Democrats. John McCain will send a message to the world my friends. There will be no abandonment of our ideals. There will be no abandonment of our morals. There will be no abandonment of our pride, and there will be no abandonment of friends by America.
what happened to our independent pioneer spirit?
Dude, were you raised in a cartoon?
This is one of the more disturbing attacks in this race. These liberal dolts are more than our Country has had the burden to carry in quite some time. Too many candidates 'Flip-Flopping' on their very core beliefs. Issuing their policy ideas based on focus groups and ninny-ass polls.
John McCain may well be under attack from certain people as a result of certain positions. Yet, what of the 'character' factor. Some say . . .the Character factor simply isn't enough. I disagree. The future of this Country faces a perilous journey. Quite frankly a candidate that does not understand all of this nor has the Character to back up that understanding has no business anywhere near the most precious office in our land. John McCain's convictions are unwavering, they have always been so. John McCain is a true leader established with integrity. John McCain has not changed , Washington may have changed the Republican party, but it didn't even put a dent in the values, beliefs and goals of John McCain.
Will we let party lines be a barrier to choosing the person we believe is best qualified to lead our nation forward. I would like to think not, however; we have seen it occur. We have seen it happen in the mid-term elections. We see the Democrats and a few Republicans spending absurd amounts of money to continue that . . .hate effect.
The future of our Country and our Children is too important and the challenges we face far too real and great for partisan agenda. John McCain understands this.
There are many issues on the table as is so in any campaign. I for one . . .have found the simplicity in this campaign. A safe and secure America. Veterans filled with pride honor and their integrity in tact. A Country and people known over the globe for keeping their commitments. A leader to make sure these things happen, and are never questioned again. That leader Is John McCain. I support John McCain. I voted for John McCain on January 8 here in New Hampshire. I walked from that voting office with a sense of 'pride' and honor . . . knowing I had done all I could to help further those aforementioned goals.
attack is character? you sir are a dolt!
slainte'
Mad
http://madirishmaninc.blogspot.com
Obama is, of course, right there in the slime too, repeating the "100 years of war" lie even though he knows it is a lie and has been called on that lie repeatedly.)
Not a lie, true and on record. Just because McCain says that the occupation will magically stop being a war sometime in those 100 years doesn't mean you can't call him on what he said.
have found the simplicity in this campaign. A safe and secure America. Veterans filled with pride honor and their integrity in tact. A Country and people known over the globe for keeping their commitments. A leader to make sure these things happen, and are never questioned again. That leader Is John McCain. I support John McCain. I voted for John McCain on January 8 here in New Hampshire. I walked from that voting office with a sense of 'pride' and honor . . . Posted by Mad Irish Man | April 8, 2008 9:59 AM
Your simple mindedness is giving America terrible leaders who play your patriotism and give you blood and ruin in return.
Stop being a fool.
You elect McCain at your peril and the peril of your childrens future.
I'm still waiting for a Republican WOMAN to weigh in and defend McCain.
"The women in my circles tend to be strong independent types who don't get a case of the vapors when they hear a bad word."
Plural, huh?
"America is a great country, but my god what a bunch of uptight prigs we are."
Speak for yourself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. "I'm persecuted cause I can't write what I just wrote." Better known as the Ann Coulter defense. "I can't do any of those things that I continue to do without any repurcussions" (well, except for the shear stupidity of having unsafe sex). Go ahead, vanya, nobody is stopping you (except, of course if you knowingly transmit HIV to another person).
Say cunt all you want. Cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt. There, see. Uh-oh, OH NO, they're coming to take me away! And when I'm hanged, then stretched, drawn, quartered, and disemboweled, I'll cry "FREEDOM" to all my asshole brethen who think being a lousy jerk is just toooo coool!
What a hero! What a martyr! God save ye, vanya and may he lighten the burden you must bear. And thank you for enlightening us all with your greater wisdom.
I focus-grouped the "cunt" thing around my workplace. Must have only talked to "prigs" because all the women I spoke with were unanimous in condemning John McSame for his nasty outburst.
To the Republican trolls ... you want to compare the "character" of McCain versus Obama? To quote the leader of your cult of personality ... "Bring it On!".
McCain is just more of the same. Another Republican who cares for the rich, sees himself as a warlord, and would bring death and dishonor on our country. We don't need another President who'd puff out his chest and tell the rest of the world to piss off! We've had enough of that thank you! We've seen the results of trying to use the military as a hammer when a scalpel is the tool that is needed.
The more I watch Republicans scrambling to convince voters that Democrats aren't sufficiently scared of the big bad world the more convinced I become that they are operating primarily from cowardice. Republicans are frightened of scary Muslims, they are frightened of scary Koreans, and they are frightened of scary black urban males. I'm starting to wonder if Republicans are frightened of everything!
Boo!
"What would be the result of that, world wide my friends?"
I'm sorry, have we been introduced?
"you sir are a dolt!"
And you, my friend, are nincompoop.
Generally, this is the type of factoid that I tend to dismiss out-of-hand. In both my social sphere and in public affairs, my attitude is, and has always been, that a marriage belongs to the two people who are in it, and that judging "character" from media anecdotes is hopeless wankery, at best.
BUT,
the context of this outburst really bothers me. I imagine being out with some friends, and seeing this happen between another couple. I can assure you we would forever avoid any contact whatsoever with that particular kind of asshole.
I think what I'm getting at is that calling your wife a cunt, in public, in reaction to what could only be described as tender teasing, is sui generis and so utterly beyond the pale that it really does provide a window into a disturbed soul.
Typical liberal slime technique. Take invalid information, report it like it really happened, and then get as many people to quote you as possible. Bring it on Obamaniacs, this will be a long year for you with a candidate this is still deciding what he stands for.
As a public service to all you benighted prigs who think you're liberals, but are really just reinforcing patriarchal repression :
http://lilithfund.blogspot.com/2007/08/reclaiming-cunt.html
Remember CurtM - I am condemning McCain, but I would condemn him just as much if he called his wife a slut or a cow in public. My issue is making a fetish out of one word.
Well thank you, vanya, for clarifying. You've sufficiently diminished my faux liberal benighted priggishness and I hereby promise to refrain from reinforcing the patriarchal repression I've grown so fond of.
However, reclaiming a patriarchal slur depends a great deal on context, dontcha think? For example, the use of the word faggot or queer, which members of the gay community (myself included) use as a term affection or gentle teasing in an effort to counter and diminish the pain the words cause when used in a much darker context.
The statement:
In my experience, most women who find "cunt" to be super taboo are women who have self-image problems."
Seems to lack that context. In fact, such all-encompassing claims seem to diminish those whom you most wish to educate. It also seems terribly unfair to assume that those who do not wish to embrace such "enlightenment" are incapable self-worth and purveyors of illiberal philosophies. I know many gay men and women who do not like to use the words "gay" or "queer" or "homo". Not only do I not consider them priggish, but I also choose not to use those words in their presence out of respect and in deference to their expressed wishes.
Stepping down from soap box...
This is what passes for Journalism?
A punk like you Iglesias needs a tune-up. A Tune-up is an Old School south side Chicago public ass kicking.
A public man is fair game - knock your self out; no, let me do it for you.
Please, visit Chicago and make equally slimey and unnecessary comments about anyone's wife or kids.
Have a book signing. You'll have a line.
This is what passes for Journalism?
A punk like you, Yglesias, needs serious a tune-up. A Tune-up is an Old School south side Chicago public ass kicking.
A public man is fair game - knock your self out; no, let me do it for you.
Please, visit Chicago and make equally slimey and unnecessary comments about anyone's wife or kids.
Have a book signing. You'll have a line.
This is what passes for Journalism?
A punk like you, Yglesias, needs serious a tune-up. A Tune-up is an Old School south side Chicago public ass kicking.
A public man is fair game - knock your self out; no, let me do it for you.
Please, visit Chicago and make equally slimey and unnecessary comments about anyone's wife or kids.
Have a book signing. You'll have a line.
Pat. Isn't that a girls name?
LOL.
Seriously. Do Republicans do ANYTHING other than try to act tough? Is that what your entire existence is based on? Is that why a man would call his wife a "cunt"?
Keep in mind. There's no proof whatsoever that McCain did not say this and it is in print, by a reputable source that he did.
Swiftboat that troll.
I'm a Democrat Curt; I did get the spelling correct?
The author of the book responds to McCain's denial on HuffPo here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cliff-schecter/john-mccain-accuses-me-of_b_95613.html
Meanwhile, other excerpts from the book are here:
New Book: McCain Once Physically Attacked Fellow Congressman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/08/new-book-mccain-once-phys_n_95595.html
The overall impression is that McCain is an out of control, belligerent, militaristic asshole who can fly off the handle for almost anything.
Actually the overall impression is that he's not some race huckster or lying female.
Works for me.
John McCain will send a message to those Democrats. John McCain will send a message to the world my friends.
And that message will be:
"Eat my shit, you pernicious jackanapes!"
Bombs away....
If that's the best investigative reporting Atlantic can do, they'd better get into a different legitimate business ASAP.
The piece is obviously a hatchet job of the Dan Rather school of journalism, using discredited bloggers with a political ax to grind as their source.
If the Left is resorting to sandbox tactics this early in the campaign, it's proof they're out of ammunition.
Say Hello to President McCain
If that's the best investigative reporting Atlantic can do, they'd better get into a different legitimate business ASAP.
The piece is obviously a hatchet job of the Dan Rather school of journalism, using discredited bloggers with a political ax to grind as their source.
If the Left is resorting to sandbox tactics this early in the campaign, it's proof they're out of ammunition.
Say Hello to President McCain
Al Czervic - It served a purpose.
Look at these responses from brave McCain supporters. Kind of an eerie straw poll on the attitudes of the Republican male, is it not?
Complaints about sourcing are legitimate. Agreeing it's perfectly fine to humiliate your wife -- if McCain did it, it's ok by me! -- tells us something else.
My GOD! 16 years ago he called his wife something very very rude in front of other people!
Mr. Yglesias, are you married? Granted, I would assume that the book has lots of un-nice things to say about Senator McCain, but to focus on this is very, very silly. I ask if you are married because at times, things happen between husband and wife that you regret. I have lost my temper with my wife several times over trivial things, and said things to her I regreted afterward. Maybe not in front of reporters, but I have done it once or twice in front of other people.
So I ask, are your mnarried?
Is there a legitimate source to this story somewhere? Looks like some leftist made it all up in the hopes that some other naive and gullible leftists will believe it.
Looks like it worked.
Don't know whether this story is true or not since it has not be sufficiently sourced. What I do know is that Obama's close ties to Reverend "the government gave black people AIDS" Wright has cast serious doubt on his judgment.
So let me get this straight: Way back in 1992, McCain used insulting salty language to his wife--and she apparently did not take it seriously.
So what? If it didn't bother her then, why should it bother us now?
If this story is true, it proves that McCain is a tough guy--which we already knew anyway. It is all the more reason that he is the best choice for president. It will be very good to have a president capable of telling Hugo Chavez and Raul Castro and Mahmoud Ahmedwackjob off in no uncertain terms.
(quote) "I'm still waiting for a Republican WOMAN to weigh in and defend McCain."
Posted by Greta | April 8, 2008 10:16 AM
(end quote)
Wait no longer.
I like McCain. He's down-to-earth man. Normal men holler at their wives sometimes. Big deal.
Afterwards, they kiss and make up.
He's a jerk. Who doesn't know that? Don't you remember when he screamed at young volunteer just because his lectern made him look short?
Anybody who thinks McCain is some kind of nice man, a hero who deserves to be president is mistaken.
But he's the nominee and we have to vote for him.
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I don't mind "fuck" and "shit," but "P" and "C" are out!
Posted by Some old lady | April 7, 2008 6:07 PM