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Are "ideas" the cure to what ails conservatism?

29 May 2008 09:21 am

[Kathy G.]

Lately, we've heard a lot about how conservatives are allegedly "out of ideas." Lack of ideas is supposedly the reason conservatives have recently been losing a slew of elections and scoring low ratings in public opinion polls, and why George Bush is the most hated president since the final days of Richard Nixon. What conservatives need, say some, are "new ideas." That's the ticket! Then their fortunes, currently in such spectacular free fall, will rally once again and stage a dramatic comeback.

I confess that talk of ideas in the context of American electoral politics long puzzled me. What on earth are these idée fixe-ated pundits talking about? Surely they don't mean ideas in the philosophical sense. American political discourse in no way resembles the Oxford Union debating society, let alone Plato's Republic.

Then I finally got it. By "ideas," by and large the pundits seem to mean a boutique-y marketing of a political agenda to the policy-making elites. As the historian David Greenberg once wrote, the main task of the Heritage Foundation (and I would argue, of other think tanks as well) is to "flood politicians and editorialists with ready-made policies and easy-to-digest talking points." Many political "ideas" amount to changing the packaging, but not the basic product. Old wine in new bottles and all that. Because I don't believe there really are any big "new ideas" in politics. It's just the same old ideas dressed up in a fancy new set of clothes.

For example, an old idea that conservatives have is that markets pretty much always work better than the public sector. So they thought up school vouchers as a way to strengthen the private school system and weaken the public school system. They don't like government programs, so they've been trying, for years now, to privatize Social Security. They don't like progressive taxation, so they've advocated a flat tax. And on and on.

Conservative "ideas" tend to amount to policies that transfer resources out of the public sector and into private hands. On the other side of the coin, liberal "ideas" do the reverse: they take money out of private hands and put it into the public sector, for the purpose of helping the less advantaged or solving social problems. Often, liberal "new ideas" take the form of new government programs. For example, several years ago when Tim Russert asked Rahm Emanuel what the Democrats' "new ideas" were, Emanuel mentioned enacting universal health care, significantly increasing subsidies so that more people can attend college, and creating a national institute for science and technology research.

The distribution of money and power in our society is basically what liberals and conservatives fight over. Liberals tend to want the money and power to be more equally shared, while conservatives want it to be concentrated in the hands of the corporations and the rich. But it's considered rude to speak publicly of things so vulgar as money and power, so when attempting to persuade elites, both sides find it helpful to talk about "ideas." That makes these things a lot more comfortable for all concerned -- we can all pretend that we're have a high-minded debate about ideals, instead of a grubby, down-and-dirty fight about power.

Greenberg noted that "In American politics, liberalism and radicalism have been the preferred ideologies of the intellectuals." With the glut of liberal intellectuals around, coming up with "ideas" -- new programs and policies -- has not been much of a problem for the left. Those ideas may not have been fashionable, and some of them -- like universal health care, for example -- are very, very old. But "ideas" have always been there.

Conservatives have had more of a challenge along these lines. For one thing, once upon a time there were very few conservative American intellectuals. As Greenberg points out, "So insignificant was conservatism a half-century ago that Lionel Trilling could claim there were no true conservative ideas in our culture, only 'irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas.''' But it's not only that conservatives tend to attract fewer eggheads to their cause; while it's easy to frame a new government program as an idea, it's much harder to make dismantling such a program sound like an idea.

Half a century ago, at the dawn of the conservative movement, conservatives faced another, even deeper problem: their political aims were viewed with distaste by many of the elites -- policymakers, middle- and high-brow journalists -- that they were trying to appeal to. Racism and class warfare have an ugly edge to them, after all. So it was all the more important that conservatives come up with some high-minded "ideas" to sanitize their more controversial and unsavory goals.

In this respect, Milton Friedman was God's gift to the conservative movement. Friedman was a great economist and a world-class intellectual who, like the conservatives, believed in a radically deregulated state and in free markets as the best (or least bad) solution to virtually every social or political problem. Better yet, his ideology implied that screwing over the working class was not only the most economically efficient way to run our society, but conformed to the highest ideals of cosmic justice.      

Eureka! in Friedman-style economics, conservatives had at last found their "ideas." Friedman-omics provided the figleaf of intellectual respectability which covered the moral depravity of much of their politics. Friedmanesque ideologues began to prevail in economics departments across the country, so many of the policy elites the conservatives sought to influence were already thoroughly schooled in the "magic of the market." Economics-based appeals flattered the elites by making them feel smart, and also by implying that their worldly success was entirely deserved, earned by the dint of their hard work and "human capital," and not by the luck of the draw of what class they happened to be born into.

No doubt that, once conservatives captured the policymakers and the elite opinion-making journals like The New Republic, it became much easier to get their policies enacted. Why, all the right-thinking people were united in their belief that dismantling the welfare state was the way to go; it was so uncool, so déclassé, so retro to believe otherwise. Only those dirty fucking hippies at The Nation would disagree.

It's a mistake, though, to believe that conservatives, or liberals, win elections because of "ideas." I've long believed that the power of "ideas" in politics to be way overrated. Jonathan Chait once made this point in an interesting New Republic piece, but even now, a year or so after their web redesign, TNR's archives are still fucked up, so regrettably I can't link to it. But the point is, politics has a two-track strategy: populist messages for the masses, and "ideas" for the elites. "Ideas" are crafted so as to win the political allegiance of the policymaking classes. But populism is what wins elections.

The right and left have different populist strategies; liberals use economic populism, while the conservative tack tends to be cultural populism. The liberal platform often amounts to "we're going to give you stuff." That message has an obvious intuitive appeal; as a populist politician whose name escapes me once said, "Nobody shoots Santa Claus." During and long after the New Deal, the Santa Claus strategy was a really tough one to beat. Red-baiting was sometimes effective; not only did it enable conservatives to smear liberals as totalitarian extremists, but it also appealed to nationalist concerns about protecting America from the perceived threats of communist countries overseas.

However, the red-baiting was only intermittently successful. Then Richard Nixon discovered the politics of cultural grievance, and bingo! -- the right had hit on a winning theme at last. Ever since, conservatives have run on the platform that "we're going to stick it to the hippies/the snobby latte-drinking liberals/the uppity Negroes/the bitchez who don't know their place/the gays who are trying to recruit your children into their 'lifestyle'," etc. George Will recently claimed that it was "ideas" that powered "conservatism’s remarkably idea-driven ascendancy," but that is a steaming load of self-serving horseshit. Unless you count the Southern strategy as an idea.

Now that conservatives are in deep doo-doo, it's fashionable in some quarters to blame their current miserable state on their "lack of ideas." Strangely enough, up until recently it was supposed to be liberals who were "out of ideas." And though I don't know of any world-historic ideas that liberals have invented recently, I don't hear them being criticized for that much anymore. But that's because whichever party is unpopular gets accused of having "no new ideas." However, the truth is, each party has plenty of "ideas," if by ideas you mean policy proposals. It just that, at certain political moments, their ideas may be unpopular or have little traction politically.

Indeed, the lack of ideas has little to do with conservatism's failure. Conservatives are increasingly unpopular because they have run this country into the ground. As the conservative writer P.J. O'Rourke once said, "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." Moreover, the old politics of cultural grievance is not working so well anymore. Even in a solid Republican Congressional district in deepest Mississippi, a barrage of negative ads featuring Reverend Wright didn't work, and a Democrat won a special election by a comfortable margin.

Part of the reason why cultural populism doesn't have the same salience it used to is because, with the recession, the mortgage crisis, and gas prices going through the roof, economic concerns have moved to the fore. But it's also because Republicans have been milking the same tired politics of cultural grievance for 40 years now, and Americans are finally catching on that it's empty, manipulative bullshit. Also, Woodstock was a lifetime ago, and people are no longer so freaked out by the idea that women and African-Americans deserve equal status in our society. Even gay marriage is gaining popularity. The Archie Bunkers are dying out and being replaced by a more tolerant younger generation. So that "silent majority" shit is just so played out these days.

Which is not to say that conservatism is dead. But right now it's in a decadent phase and has exhausted itself, and we're entering a liberal era. However, conservatism will be back, in one form or another. Liberals will reign for a while, but one day they, like today's conservatives, will become complacent. They'll make mistakes. Voters will decide the liberals have "gone too far" and will kick them out. This is the cycle of history, and it's the way the eternal war of the moneyed elites vs. the masses tends to play itself out. Reports of the death of history are, indeed, greatly exaggerated. Though the war between conservatives and liberals will never end, I like to believe, probably naively, that history moves along an upward spiral, and that  over time, some progress occurs which can't be wiped out, the best efforts of the conservatives to the contrary.

Ideas, though, are not what motivates political change. What does is people's sense of which party does a better job of looking out for their interests. Since, for most people, liberals have the advantage on the economic front, conservatives will probably continue to focus on cultural and nationalist appeals. And both sides will continue to rely on "ideas" as a means of winning over the intellectuals, journalists, and policymakers. But their success or failure politically ultimately will have little to do with "ideas."

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I'd say the most troubling part of your analysis is there are no new ideas out there, no new solutions, no new ways to think of curing a problem utilizing the political process. We should all be very happy such a mindset hasn't infected research in the fields of oncology or cardiology.

"Since, for most people, liberals have the advantage on the economic front, conservatives will probably continue to focus on cultural and nationalist appeals."

Perceptive post, Matthew, but you don't give enough emphasis to the conservative influence of the fundamentalist churches. People can lose their homes, their jobs, their healthcare, and their childrens' schools thanks to right wing policies and still vote for the right wing politicians who promise more of the same because they want to "stop abortion" or "put prayer back in the schools" or "save the family" and their preachers tell them the Republicans will do that and the Democrats won't.

I think one problem the Republicans have is that two of their biggest ideas were remarkably bad. The idea of using armed intervention to stabilize the Persian Gulf was an obvious one. What gets less attention, and was possibly as big a factor in the 2006 elections was their idea about congressional corruption. They believed very strongly that there should be much more of it, that it should be institutionalized, and that it should be reserved exclusively for Republicans. They called it "The K Street Project". In retrospect, it's hard to see how they thought they could pull this off.


I think we do have to recognize that the Right is a worldwide phenomenon since the time of the French Revolution, and probably will remain so as long as the politics of the great revolutions of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (Dutch Revolt, English Civil War, American Revolution and French Revolution) remain the dominant politics. The Right - particularly the American and British Right - have always tried to avoid the association with the continental European Right for fairly obvious reasons. So, we don't have to confine our discussion to the US, but should also compare the American Right with other analogs across the world.

I don't think we should underestimate the impact of Milton Friedman and the broader Chicago School. If you look at the American Right in the 1940s, for example, there's only limited tactical objections to Keynesian / Keynesian-esque economic policy. There was only a feeble elite program or general policy of opposition to Keynesian economic policy, which meant that, on the whole, Keynesian policy could be implimented as long as enough "Right" politicians could be paid off with tactical subsidies (i.e. pork).

Even though Robert A. Taft's economic policies at the explicit policy level are effectively the same as the current Republican platform, there was little intellectual coherence behind them and Taft had quite limited support for those policies from any academic sources. (Robert A. Taft was the leader of the Republicans for the critical time period of the Thirties through the early Fifties). Technocracy or the rule of experts is a powerful tool of legitimization in American (and generally in all modern) politics. So when Friedman, Coase, Becker, Harberger, Alchian, Stigler, Demsetz etc etc - all of whom were economists of the first global excellence - provided that legitimization for the Right worldwide, it was an extremely critical development - there were a large number of countries where the Right primarily relied on that legitimization. The Chicago School was a critical element, for example, on the Right in France and Scandanavia.

Steve - I think the obvious rejoinder is that politics ain't oncology. There's a fundamental difference between disciplines that are based on the scientific method and those that are interpretive/cultural/historical (regardless of how much sunshine economists and political scientists want to blow up their own arses).

Steve - I think the obvious rejoinder is that politics ain't oncology. There's a fundamental difference between disciplines that are based on the scientific method and those that are interpretive/cultural/historical (regardless of how much sunshine economists and political scientists want to blow up their own arses).

"Perceptive post, Matthew, but you don't give enough emphasis to the conservative influence of the fundamentalist churches. People can lose their homes, their jobs, their healthcare, and their childrens' schools thanks to right wing policies and still vote for the right wing politicians who promise more of the same because they want to "stop abortion" or "put prayer back in the schools" or "save the family" and their preachers tell them the Republicans will do that and the Democrats won't."

That's actually another reason why the Chicago School (or neoneoclassicals) was critical. The American fundamentalist movement was inherently rabidly "capitalist" from it's first moment (one of The Fundamentals is entirely devoted to opposition to socialism, for instance). But since elite economic opinion was primarily Institutionalist or Keynesian until the rise of the Chicago School, fundamentalists were thus in conflict with the wealthy economic elite that has always controlled the Republican party. That economic elite had to legitimatize itself by accepting (at least partially) and cloaking itself (at least theoretically) in generally accepted academic economic theory. The Chicago School allowed the fundamentalists, economic elites and academia all to come into harmony, thus providing the Republican party with the popular base it had been so desperately seeking throughout the 1929-late Sixties period. See also the Powell memo, for instance.

Ms. G: Sure, most would agree with you that Republican ideas tend to help the rich keep their winnings and Dem ideas tend to redistribute wealth. But your corollary - -that 'ideas' are just window dressing - is too simple and too cynical.

What exactly is an "idea"? The basic structure of the health plans offered by the Dem candidates this year is different from Hillary's '93 plan. Today's plans embody different 'ideas' about how to regulate and supplement the private market. Sure, they share the 'idea' that everyone should be covered, but the devil - and the real thinking - is in the details.

On the other side of the aisle, I think Obama was closer to the truth than you when he said that Reagan captured the mood of the country and tapped into legitimate perceptions that government had overreached and grown unaccountable in important ways. The core ideas Reagan ran on -- lower marginal tax rates, a military buildup, and limiting/restructuring welfare -- resonated with a lot of people, led to action, and had some good results (as did Reagan's early and lasting commitment to reducing nuclear stockpiles, which doesn't fit your ideological framework).

There's plenty of room for real thinking below the broadest assumptions. Democrats can redistribute a measure of wealth efficiently or inefficiently. Welfare reform became a near-consensus because the 'idea' took hold that welcome as we knew it created some skewed incentives. The earned income tax credit is a different 'idea' from a higher minimum wage. Policies adapt to changing conditions, even if the underlying assumptions change more slowly.

Finally, transformational larger concepts do affect policy. I found Robert Reich's Supercapitalism stunning in its suggestion that global capitalist hyper-competition, not Republican ideology, is driving the takeover of government by lobbyists and growing income inequality. Reich is not very strong in suggesting solutions, but Obama's focus on finding ways to curb lobbying influence speaks to the problem Reich identifies. Sure, making new rules to restrict lobbying is not a particularly new idea and may end up sticking bandaids on a gaping wound. But defining core problems differently stimulates 'new ideas' over time.

"Perceptive post, Matthew, but you don't give enough emphasis to the conservative influence of the fundamentalist churches. People can lose their homes, their jobs, their healthcare, and their childrens' schools thanks to right wing policies and still vote for the right wing politicians who promise more of the same because they want to "stop abortion" or "put prayer back in the schools" or "save the family" and their preachers tell them the Republicans will do that and the Democrats won't."

That's actually another reason why the Chicago School (or neoneoclassicals) was critical. The American fundamentalist movement was inherently rabidly "capitalist" from it's first moment (one of The Fundamentals is entirely devoted to opposition to socialism, for instance). But since elite economic opinion was primarily Institutionalist or Keynesian until the rise of the Chicago School, fundamentalists were thus in conflict with the wealthy economic elite that has always controlled the Republican party. That economic elite had to legitimatize itself by accepting (at least partially) and cloaking itself (at least theoretically) in generally accepted academic economic theory. The Chicago School allowed the fundamentalists, economic elites and academia all to come into harmony, thus providing the Republican party with the popular base it had been so desperately seeking throughout the 1929-late Sixties period. See also the Powell memo, for instance.

Ms. G: Sure, most would agree with you that Republican ideas tend to help the rich keep their winnings and Dem ideas tend to redistribute wealth. But your corollary - -that 'ideas' are just window dressing - is too simple and too cynical.

What exactly is an "idea"? The basic structure of the health plans offered by the Dem candidates this year is different from Hillary's '93 plan. Today's plans embody different 'ideas' about how to regulate and supplement the private market. Sure, they share the 'idea' that everyone should be covered, but the devil - and the real thinking - is in the details.

On the other side of the aisle, I think Obama was closer to the truth than you when he said that Reagan captured the mood of the country and tapped into legitimate perceptions that government had overreached and grown unaccountable in important ways. The core ideas Reagan ran on -- lower marginal tax rates, a military buildup, and limiting/restructuring welfare -- resonated with a lot of people, led to action, and had some good results (as did Reagan's early and lasting commitment to reducing nuclear stockpiles, which doesn't fit your ideological framework).

There's plenty of room for real thinking below the broadest assumptions. Democrats can redistribute a measure of wealth efficiently or inefficiently. Welfare reform became a near-consensus because the 'idea' took hold that welcome as we knew it created some skewed incentives. The earned income tax credit is a different 'idea' from a higher minimum wage. Policies adapt to changing conditions, even if the underlying assumptions change more slowly.

Finally, transformational larger concepts do affect policy. I found Robert Reich's Supercapitalism stunning in its suggestion that global capitalist hyper-competition, not Republican ideology, is driving the takeover of government by lobbyists and growing income inequality. Reich is not very strong in suggesting solutions, but Obama's focus on finding ways to curb lobbying influence speaks to the problem Reich identifies. Sure, making new rules to restrict lobbying is not a particularly new idea and may end up sticking bandaids on a gaping wound. But defining core problems differently stimulates 'new ideas' over time.

"There's a fundamental difference between disciplines that are based on the scientific method and those that are interpretive/cultural/historical....."
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Yes, or course. And we all know that archaeologists, paleontologists, historians and those immersed in dozens of other fields of study having to do with "interpretive/cultural/historical" issues have all run out of new ideas and new information to digest and ponder.

Um, I think the conventional approach to spelling should make it obvious that this is Kathy G, not Matt.

And great post.

Steve,

I think Jeff was saying that you are trying to make it seem that Kathy G. is referring to a lack of ideas in politics as the same as a lack of ideas in the science and humanities. And the "new ideas" of cultural/political historians has less to do with coming up with a "new idea" than providing a new analysis, there is a difference. As far as I can tell this post is discussing political discourse and political ideas, so ultimately your point about oncology doesn't really work here, because thats not the issue at hand.

Its like me discussing the Smurfs at a Quantum Physics conference.

Ideas are nice. But ideas are bit useless when you're busy shoveling money to your cronies, embarking on an expensive un-conservative foreign policy, and prattling on about flag pins and scarves.

Here are some nice conservative ideas they can borrow:

1. Government officials have to live under the same laws they pass.

2. Congresscritters must actually read any bills they vote on and not rely on summaries from their aides.

3. Checks and balances were a really good idea. We should probably bring those back.

4. Sunshine laws ensure accountable government, we need more of them.

5a. If we have a smart government we will have a smaller government.

5b. We should hold useful hearings for once, identify the most pressing problems America has, decide which ones require government assistance, prioritze them, and focus our scarce resources on solving those problems.

5c. All laws and programs will have a sunset provision attached to them and require congressional review and re-vote to continue.

I think you're misrepresenting liberalism. Conservativism pitches itself as being all about privatization and market processes-- there is a tendency (because conservatives have done a much better job in conveying its core essence) to see liberalism as the equal-but-opposite statist pole, the antithesis of that aim. That's not what liberalism is about.

Liberalism doesn't care if something is done by markets or by the state-- they care about the results. Deng Xiaoping, by no means a liberal, expressed this well: "it does not matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice"

Liberals include social and economic justice within the sphere of results to be cared about, and they're more open to state based solutions (since they lack the pro-market bias of the conservatives), but liberalism isn't fundamentally ABOUT promoting the state, as such.

"most would agree with you that Republican ideas tend to help the rich keep their winnings and Dem ideas tend to redistribute wealth. But your corollary - -that 'ideas' are just window dressing - is too simple and too cynical."

Or rather, we should argue that class analysis, while a very powerful tool, doesn't have as much explanatory power as Kathy G is arguing. Classes of people want to do what they percieve is in their own best interests. That's fairly obvious and has been a staple of social analysis since at least Aristotle.

But what are those "best interests"? Well, defining that solely as monetary wealth isn't very explanatory: classes of people have, on numerous instances, percieved their best interests as something besides monetary wealth solely - whether it's military glory, social status, esteem by others, efficiency, honor, etc. Beyond that, you need to have an opinion of how the universe operates to have an opinion on how best to increase one's wealth.

If one's picture of how the economy operates is Aristotle, that leads you to have a very different perception of what's in your best interest than if your picture of how the economy operates is derived from Adam Smith. More concretely, in modern times, how you percieve your own best interests is quite different depending on whether you believe that the economy is best described by Keynes or Friedman.

Excellent analysis.
I'd like to read more of such reflections.

Gah -- this post is pure polemic and partisan tribalism. Not very impressive.

The evil, stupid conservatives who want to stiff the working class and concentrate money and power in the hands of corporations and the rich vs the good intellectual liberals who are only trying to help their fellow man, man.

I understand that this kind of bitter manichaeism is in some way the result of the rather twisted political set up you guys have over the pond, but please -- have a word, a brew and remember that although the world seems monchromatic, it's normally just a trick of the light.

"The right and left have different populist strategies; liberals use economic populism, while the conservative tack tends to be cultural populism. The liberal platform often amounts to "we're going to give you stuff." That message has an obvious intuitive appeal; as a populist politician whose name escapes me once said, "Nobody shoots Santa Claus." During and long after the New Deal, the Santa Claus strategy was a really tough one to beat. Red-baiting was sometimes effective; not only did it enable conservatives to smear liberals as totalitarian extremists, but it also appealed to nationalist concerns about protecting America from the perceived threats of communist countries overseas.

However, the red-baiting was only intermittently successful. Then Richard Nixon discovered the politics of cultural grievance, and bingo! -- the right had hit on a winning theme at last"

Spend-Spend-Spend; Tax-Tax-Tax; Elect-Elect-Elect.

Was replaced with

Spend-Spend-Spend; CutTaxes-CutTaxes-CutTaxes Elect-Elect-Elect.

Republicans found their own set of free stuff to bribe voters with.

That and not cultural grievances is the populist core of the Republican party.

Wow. That is the most ham-fisted analysis in the history of humankind.

If a "conservative" blogger wrote--in a similarly ham-fisted way--that liberals just want to raise taxes on EVERYBODY so they can give handouts to favored groups, as well as siphon money from working Americans in order to give it to tragically inefficient bureaucracies to waste wholesale on ill-conceived programs that don't work, you would scream bloody murder.

A couple of questions you might want to ask yourself before you go skipping off into your perceived new world order:

Do markets always redistribute wealth to the rich? Are all government programs good?
They're good as long as those programs redistribute wealth (in the "right" direction, of course) on some level?
Do incentives matter?
Does poverty in other countries matter?


"Are all government programs good? "

Unfortunately for you, Ghost of Uncle Miltie, since you had no effective definition of what's good (because, when you were alive, you utilized a extraordinarily primitive version of utilitarianism), for you the definition of "good" ended up being always operationalized the same as "good for my wealthy benefactors wallets".

"Do markets always redistribute wealth to the rich?"

Friedman's model of "markets" simply doesn't and cannot exist in any known reality. Thus, we cannot discuss the question unless we discuss non-fantasy and actually existing markets.

"Do incentives matter?"

Certainly, but not only in the ways you thought they did when you were alive.

"They're good as long as those programs redistribute wealth (in the "right" direction, of course) on some level?"

Your current epigones don't seem to really have a problem when redistribution just happens to happen in their perceived right direction, either. Just as long as it goes to the hedge fund managers, all's right with the world, right?

It must be nice to be able to see the world as if the United States were its entirety and that nothing else outside it or the welfare of anyone outside its borders mattered a jot. Then you can pretend that a GM worker making 60,000 dollars a year is hard done to and, as Ms G. does on her own blog, happily call for tariffs to protect such wealthy US workers and stick it to much poorer people across the globe. Fortunately for Ms G, all the barking seals who comment on her musings only give a damn about Americans.

It must be nice to be able to see the world as if the United States were its entirety and that nothing else outside it or the welfare of anyone outside its borders mattered a jot. Then you can pretend that a GM worker making 60,000 dollars a year is hard done to and, as Ms G. does on her own blog, happily call for tariffs to protect such wealthy US workers and stick it to much poorer people across the globe. Fortunately for Ms G, all the barking seals who comment on her musings only give a damn about Americans.

The distribution of money and power in our society is basically what liberals and conservatives fight over.

Conservatives have been winning the fight over the distribution of money for decades. Command socialism is dead. "Democratic" socialism is dying. The overwhelming global trend in economic policy over the past 40 years has been towards greater private and individual freedom and less control by the state. Freer markets, freer trade, lower taxes, less regulation, privatization of formerly state-owned industries, and so on. In fact, so complete has the conservative victory been that liberals themselves now mostly embrace the market as the best way of organizing most economic activity, and have substantially scaled back their redistributionist goals. The decades-long trend of growing economic inequality in America is unlikely to be reversed, or even slowed very much, no matter how many Democrats are elected in November.

First of all, what part of [name-of-poster] preceding the post don't people get here?

Second, this is a fairly irrelevant post. The fact that conservatives and liberals are both fighting over power makes it clear that neither one has a clue. For Kathy G. to thus support one over the other means she is as clueless as either party.

I don't have time for this lame "conservative" vs "liberal" drivel. Both sides are what's wrong with this country - and that both sides comprise the majority of humans demonstrates what's wrong with chimpanzees.

So who cares whether conservatives think they have "ideas"? Neither side has "ideas". All they have are vague plans for controlling everyone else to their own benefit.

The people with "ideas" are the people building the science and technology to obsolete all this political and religious and social bullshit. And most of those people don't even know the end result of their "ideas."

Fortunately, some people do.

Conservative "ideas" have been tried and tested many times over the course of generations. It was the conservatives of their day who opposed integration and civil rights, who wanted to keep women from voting or from holding property (in fact, wanted to keep them AS property), and, going further back, who called out troops to shoot at workers protesting in favor of a 10-hour workday (back when that represented a SHORTER workday). In fact it was conservatives of an earlier time who who opposed vaccinations (among many other medical advances) and who insisted that the Bible demands we believe that the sun goes around the earth. The point about conservative "ideas" is that they can be boiled down to a few errors that are continually recycled in new forms. There's more on this in my article "Why Conservatives are Always Wrong," available at http://conservativesarealwayswrong.googlepages.com/home


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