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Are Kissinger's Critics Anti-Semitic?

28 May 2008 10:28 pm

[Isaac]

In this week’s Times Literary Supplement, the usually engaging Niall Ferguson has a long review of a new, generally sympathetic Henry Kissinger biography. In addition to recommending the book (which, despite a few questionable assertions, appears to have some interesting stuff on Kissinger’s childhood), Ferguson poses his review around the following question:

Has the ferocity of the criticism which Kissinger has attracted perhaps got something to do with the fact that he, like the Rothschilds, is Jewish?

Before returning to this particular topic, it’s worth mentioning a few things about the rest of Ferguson’s piece. It’s a vigorous defense of Kissinger, and also a critique of Kissinger’s critics, among them Seymour Hersh and Christopher Hitchens. Ferguson starts off very shakily, with a notably weak plea for leniency:

It would in fact be much easier to implicate a number of Kissinger’s predecessors in civilian bombings, coups d’état and support for murderous regimes. Unlike the case of Chile, to give a single example, there is no question that the Central Intelligence Agency had a direct hand in the coup that overthrew an elected government in Guatemala in 1954. It also played an active role in the subsequent campaign of violence against the Guatemalan Left. Many more people (around 200,000) died in this campaign than were “disappeared” in Chile after 1973 (2,279). In any case, Richard Nixon was not the first President to seek to influence Chilean domestic politics. Both of his immediate predecessors did so. Yet you will search the bookshops in vain for “The Trial of John Foster Dulles” or “The Trial of Dean Rusk”.

There are two responses to this. The first is that it is not a ringing defense of the former secretary of state (only 2,279 people killed under Pinochet!). And the second is that if someone did write a book about Guatemala called “The Trial of John Foster Dulles,” you can be absolutely sure that Niall Ferguson would be the first person to accuse the author of hyperventilating and reducing a “complicated” period in American history to a “naïve and simplistic” bill of wrongs.

Ferguson’s defense of Kissinger’s coziness with other third-world despots is not much more convincing:

In order to check Soviet ambitions in the Third World – the full extent of which we have only recently come to appreciate – some unpleasant regimes had to be tolerated, and indeed supported. Besides the various Latin American caudillos, the Saudi royal family, the Shah of Iran and the Pakistani military, these unpleasant regimes also included (though the Left seldom acknowledged it) the Maoist regime in Beijing, which was already guilty of many more violations of human rights than all the right-wing dictators put together when Kissinger flew there for the first time in July 1971.

Keep in mind that this paragraph comes directly after one praising the China “opening”--something he discusses without acknowledging that it was done through Pakistani back-channels while the Pakistani army was (with Kissinger's approval) committing genocide in Bangladesh. Still, even with recent revelations about Soviet policy in the Third World, is Ferguson really prepared to argue that we had to “tolerate” and “support” the Pakistani dictatorship and the Saudi Royal Family to the extent that we did? (Note, too, that Ferguson chooses not to mention Nixon/Kissinger policy in Indonesia and Cyprus).

Then there is this:

Yet the real revolution Kissinger had to achieve was not so much in the realm of grand strategy as in that of domestic politics. As he himself put it in one of the many “heartland speeches” he delivered in the US in 1975 and 1976, his underlying aim was “to end the self-flagellation that has done so much harm to this nation’s capacity to conduct foreign policy”. In this he was ultimately unsuccessful. Indeed, US self-flagellation reached its zenith during the presidency of Jimmy Carter.

I've always thought you could tell a fair amount about someone by whether they became more agitated by unnecessary American wars that kill millions of people, or the sometimes excessive “self-flagellation” that follows those wars. Anyway, as far as I can tell, Ferguson’s point is that Kissinger grew admirably concerned with the side effects of policies he—Kissinger—advocated (no mention of Watergate in this paragraph, by the way). How admirable.

But now back to Ferguson’s original question—or, rather, accusation. Here’s Ferguson immediately after posing his query:

Nota bene: this is not to imply that his critics are anti-Semites. Some of the Rothschilds’ most fierce critics were also Jews. So are some of Kissinger’s.

One could say this doesn’t advance the issue one iota—but neither does the rest of the piece: The subject is not raised again until the last paragraph!

How far Kissinger’s Jewishness provides the real key to his inner motivations remains a matter for debate. (My own preference would be to see him as first and foremost a historian – one of the very select band of serious scholars of the past who end up actually making policy in the here and now.) But it certainly provides a part of the explanation for the vitriol that has come his way.

To make this accusation without one iota of supporting evidence certainly takes a fair amount of gumption. Unfortunately, it also turns what could have been a compelling article into something much more sinister.

Update: So why do I think Kissinger gets more attention than other architects of American foreign policy? Let me count the ways: He was Secretary of State to our most unpopular president, he helped prosecute our least popular war, he is--as a commenter points out--still alive today (unlike Dulles), he is beloved by much of the media and gets kid-glove treatment from the establishment, his list of questionable actions is particularly long and involves many, many countries, etc. His Jewishness does not, needless to say, make the cut.

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Amazing--Ferguson actually constructs a faux critique of Kissinger based on his Jewishness. Who's the racist??? Niall, baby, what did you imbibe with your mother's milk??? Who are you to go casting aspersions?

Kissingerian realism has always and everywhere been a Spenglerian nihilism intoning prophetically against the inevitable decline of our very life force. (His memoirs in the 1970s already posited a pentagonal world order, as I recall, encompassing the U.S., Europe, Japan, Russia, and China. My, how nightmares evolve.) What that may have to do with his Jewish heritage I leave to Niall Ferguson to unravel--lest he label me a racist....

May be Kissinger wrote a letter for his appointment at your alma mater. Apart from Jonah and the other boys at the idiot corner, no other person, sane or insane, would be expected to defend this loathsome man.

That doesn't address his point - Why does Kissinger get so much more attention than people Ferguson implies were objectively more supportive of third world violence. It could be that they actually weren't, or it could be that Kissinger is just a more interesting figure, or it could be something else. I don't really think it is anti-semitism, but if you are going to criticize him for making the claim you might want to make an argument against it.

Kissinger has a gravely, sonorous, probably not initially affected, clearly indecipherable, indisputably irritating accent. He persuaded the carpet bombing of innocents (McCain blushes). Conrad Black, who's now in a Florida jail, probably still sends valentines.

I can't claim to be a Fergusonologist, but I have read his biography of the Rothschilds and while his history of the family's Jewish involvements was very well-researched and even revelatory (it's near 40% of the two volumes), he over-used the Jewish material as an explanation of the Rothschilds' success, to my mind. The Rothschilds did not invent the model of the trans-national public finance concern, and they were contemporary with one phase of diversifying the financial sector into equity ownership of industry. Those are the two facets of the Rothschild organization that are noteworthy, and their Jewishness doesn't do a lot to explain either one.

That is only to observe that Ferguson looks to Jewishness to carry historical weight that it cannot bear.

Why does Kissinger get so much more attention than people Ferguson implies were objectively more supportive of third world violence.

Because Dean Rusk and John Foster Dulles are dead, and Kissinger isn't.

Isaac writes:

"if someone did write a book about Guatemala called “The Trial of John Foster Dulles,” you can be absolutely sure that Niall Ferguson would be the first person to accuse the author of hyperventilating and reducing a “complicated” period in American history to a “naïve and simplistic” bill of wrongs."

No, actually pp. 610-617 of Niall Ferguson's recent book "The War of the World" are largely devoted to deploring American Cold War involvement in Guatemala:

"The Truth about the Cold War, then, is that in most of the southern hemisphere the United States did almost as little for freedom as the Soviet Union did for liberation. American policy ... also meant the maintenance of dictatorships in countries like Guatemala where Communism -- sometimes real, sometimes imagined -- was fought by means of the mass slaughter of civilians."

As a commentator on modern American political history, Ferguson is a very good 19th-c German economic historian.

why do I think Kissinger gets more attention than other architects of American foreign policy?

Blame Stanley Kubrick and Peter Sellers?

The thing to keep in mind about Ferguson is that he's still young (for a historian) and his interests are still evolving. "The War of the World" shows he's losing interest in ideology as a motivating factor in history and developing an increased interest in ethnicity. His rather silly theory about Kissinger is an example of the weakness of this approach, but here's an example of its strength from p. 616:

"In reality, however, the social conflicts that bedevilled the Third World throughout the Cold War were often as much ethnic conflicts as they were ideological. ... Just as the Cold War in Angola was essentially a tribal battle for power ... the proxy war that the CIA was underwriting in Guatemala was therefore not so much a war between capitalists and communists as a war between Ladino latifundista and Mayan peasants. ... Because so many of the victims were Mayan, the Guatemalan military was deemed by the UN-sponsored truth commission to have committed an act of genocide."

Ferguson's awareness of ethnicity isn't particularly sophisticated yet, but "War of the World" shows him moving in a productive direction (the occasional miscue about Kissinger and Jewishness being part of the price of his learning on the job).

Matt Stevens appears to be the only one posting here with any sense. Kissinger is alive, and still writing self glorifying Op-Eds. Thus he gets attention, which he craves.
Rusk is not nearly as visible, being dead. Neither, for that matter, is Genghis Khan, certainly an interesting historical figure. Neither gets much negative press these days.

Fancy that.

Niall Ferguson is often insightful. He often appears, however, to be unable to identify the limits of his vision. This causes him to run into telephone poles when out driving, from time to time.

Come on people. Kissinger is Jewish and his critics hate him.

Connect the dots!

John Foster Dulles has been dead since 1959, and Eisenhower died in 1969. Kennedy died in 1963, under circumstances which made serious criticism of his foreign policy difficult for many years. LBJ died in 1973. Nixon and Rusk both died in 1994. I don't think that any of them has escaped criticism for the foreign policy decisions that Ferguson discusses.

The reason that criticism of Kissinger is so much more prominent is, indeed, partly because he is still alive, and even more because he is still very active. I also think that Kissinger was a lot more prominent as an architect of American foreign policy than just about any other post-war American secretary of state (or National Security Adviser). Usually, the president likes to be in the drivers' seat, and the Secretary of State and National Security Adviser tend to take a back seat, at least in terms of public perception. Nixon was no slouch on foreign policy, but Kissinger was frequently the public face of American foreign policy in those years, and this was even more true in the Ford years (Ford was almost certainly the weakest president, in terms of dominating his own administration, since maybe Warren G. Harding).

Also, most American foreign policy figures like to at least pay homage to the traditional ideals of American foreign policy - America as example to the world, spread of democracy, and so forth. Kissinger's cold-blooded embrace of realism makes him an easy target in a way that the misguided idealism of, say, Dean Rusk, is not.

...our most unpopular president...

Not any more. Bush's got Nixon beat for unpopularity now.

...our most unpopular president...

Not any more. Bush's got Nixon beat for unpopularity now.

Before I learned Kissinger was Jewish, I learned about some of the horrible things he did. So if I dislike the guy before, and dislike the guy after, does my dislike of him after learning he's Jewish become anti-Semitism?

Jeremy: Yes. Also, if you yourself happen to be Jewish, that only makes your antisemitism more disgusting.

Speaking as a Jew, I'm pretty sure my dislike of Kissinger is motivated by what I see as his malign policy influence - in Vietnam, Chile, Pakistan, Indonesia, Dubya's Iraq (it was reported), and doubtless many other places I'm too ignorant to name. The guy supported Operation Condor's car bombing a former government minister and an American citizen, both nonviolent, in Washington D.C. for heaven's sake. To the extent that his Jewishness affects my views, it's just because I think Henry is letting the side down.

As to why he's so much more maligned than Dulles, that's not hard. In addition to the above noted facts that he's not only still with us but eager to speak out, there's the simple fact that, being physically distinctive and speaking with a thick accent, Kissinger would be a B-movie villain straight from central casting even if he didn't have a mass of bodies strewn in his wake.

Ferguson should be tried under the Geneva Convention for torturing syntax. It seems like half of his important sentences have at least one negation in them. And as in "Unlike the case of Chile, to give a single example, there is no question that ..." -- this is how you write when you are trying to obfuscate an issue.

Kissinger draws flak because he was the very visible face of US foreign policy during the Vietnam War. Remember the drawn out Paris talks, the secret bombing of Cambodia, the Nobel Peace Prize for a peace that didn't come? No? Henry doesn't want you to. Remember also that he has never been camera shy.

I get it now! Nixon, who was clearly anti-semitic, decided to bring on Kissinger to make Jews look bad! So when you criticize Kissinger you're falling right into Nixon's trap!

By the way, a friend of mine who used to be a drinking of buddy of Christopher Hitchens says that the Hitch would proclaim when drunk, "I'm the world's biggest anti-Semite!" So, the notion that Hitchens' old obsession with Kissinger has something to do with Kissinger being Jewish is not prima facie absurd.

Of course, that was before Hitchens discovered that he was something like 1/8th or 1/16th Jewish on the side of his beloved mother, who committed suicide. Since that discovery, the famous atheist has taken to dropping in on synagogues and advocating a neoconservative foreign policy.

Well, it's simple, innit -- in the 1950s there wasn't the kind of organized leftist opposition to American foreign policy that existed when Kissinger was plying his trade. Plus, although Dulles was abundantly egotistical, pietistic, and arrogant, he wasn't running American foreign policy single-handedly the way Kissinger did, nor did he court public attention as Kissinger did with his personal life. (Not that Dulles shirked the spotlight, I should add.) Plus, Dulles' death not long after his tenure as SecState tended to dampen serious personal criticism. But Dulles certainly came in for his share of abuse, deserved and not, in particular from Ferguson's countrymen, who despised Dulles for his role in the Suez Crisis.

More recently, scholars and polemicists alike have excoriated him for his role in the various covert actions he and his brother hatched -- that the blowback effects from those actions weren't fully manifested for some decades also served to insulate Dulles' reputation.

I find it interesting, however, that Ferguson says "we have only recently come to appreciate [the full extent of]" "Soviet ambitions in the Third World." I can't claim to speak for any region other than the Middle East, but as we have come to appreciate (through released archives and historical hindsight alike) the full extent of Soviet activity in the Middle East, we have in fact found that the Soviets tended to be more reactive, less ambitious and generally less effective than was thought.

After all, real Soviet power in the Middle East -- which was constantly contested -- only lasted from the leapfrogging of the Northern Tier in 1955 to Sadat's severing ties in 1975 (a process that actually began as soon as Sadat took power). Even during their high point the Soviets were forced to repeatedly betray their Communist allies in the Middle East in return for continued influence -- Khrushchev's support of "progressive governments" that had a track record of slaughtering Communists was virtually an ideological capitulation, despite the realpolitik gains the Soviets made within the new diplomatic framework.

And after the Soviets were kicked out of Egypt, they were left with a fratricidal regime in South Yemen that couldn't be left alone for an hour without some kind of factional coup d'etat; a money-draining Syrian regime that was always ready to bolt camp as Assad's needs changed; and an unreliable set of allies and puppets in Afghanistan that, of course, signaled the end of Soviet power projection. (And I would take serious issue with Ferguson's credulous assertion that Kissinger was responsible for having "ousted the Soviets from Egypt" -- that was already in motion under Rogers, who Kissinger was busy backstabbing through back channels, and had everything to do with Sadat and little to do with American adroitness.)

In other words, although the scope of Soviet activity in the Third World is becoming clearer to scholars, it's not clear that US support for various dictators and US attacks on various "progressive" regimes was in fact a proportional response to Soviet aims and abilities (Saudi Arabia aside, as they are in fact a special case); that policymakers at the time reasonably believed otherwise, as they did, does not change historical judgement. I'd want Ferguson to actually explain and defend such an assertion, rather than throwing it out as red meat for his fellow-travellers.

Everyone who thinks OJ Simpson was guilty is a miscegenation-fearing racist. Similarly, people don't like Kissinger for the sole reason that he's Jewish. People must be judged by their ethnicity, not their actions. Niall Ferguson sounds like a first-rate thinker and historian. I can only hope that his views are heard at the White House.

So, the notion that Hitchens' old obsession with Kissinger has something to do with Kissinger being Jewish is not prima facie absurd. Of course, that was before Hitchens discovered that he was something like 1/8th or 1/16th Jewish on the side of his beloved mother, who committed suicide.

Ah, but Hitchens has remained consistent nonetheless: always right for the wrong reasons and wrong for the wrong reasons.

Maybe he gets more attention because he was unmatched in his willingness to give aid and comfort to tyrants and perpetrators of various mass killings and atrocities.

>I don't really think it is anti-semitism, but if you are going to criticize him for making the claim you might want to make an argument against it.

As a point of logic, proving that Ferguson simply made a bald assertion with no supporting argument is an argument against it; the complete failure to even begin his case leaves the burden of proof on Ferguson. It is like the assertion I hereby make that Anonymous molests underage hamsters: unless I provide some support the burden of proof is still on me. Nobody needs to rebut me; my case is not strong enough.

I think the resort to anti-semitism as an explanation assumes that Kissinger doesn't really deserve the criticism he gets. If you believe that he does deserve that criticism, then there is no need to resort to anti-semitism as an explanation. By raising the spectre of anti-semitism, Ferguson tries to suggest that Kissinger doesn't really deserve all that criticism, but Ferguson doesn't make the case.

The thing to keep in mind about Ferguson is that he's still young (for a historian) and his interests are still evolving.

Indeed: ever further away from primary history, towards the rubber-chicken circuit and secondary works spun off the back of TV series. It does pay the kids' school fees.

Ferguson's awareness of ethnicity isn't particularly sophisticated yet

Oh, gosh, then let's look forward to his embrace of Sailerist sophistication, at which point we can laugh at him without qualification, rather than just bemoaning his habit in the past decade of blundering into other fields like an untethered bullock.

There's one defining strand to his work since The Pity of War that's more a hobby-horse: the belief that Britain had the capacity to stay out of the Great War, and had she stayed out, the Jolly Old Empire would be civilising the wogs to this day. Instead, it was left to the Americans to deal with the uppity brown folk, and because they pretend that they don't do Empire, they fuck it up. Dear me.

Since WWII, which American has been responsible for the most unnecessary deaths? My vote would go to Kissinger. That's why he gets criticized. Also, many of his most ferocious critics in the 1970's were the neocons, many of whom were Jewish. Are Jewish neocons now anti-Semites?

Considering Ferguson an intellectual is like considering a three-legged junkyard dog Best in Show. He's an enthusiast for imperialism who knows almost nothing useful about the history of imperialism, only misreadings of Kipling.

>>Also, many of his most ferocious critics in the 1970's were the neocons, many of whom were Jewish. Are Jewish neocons now anti-Semites?

No, Jews who are not neocons are anti-Israel and thus anti-Semites. Glad I could clear that up for you.

Interesting post and comments. Kissinger deserves every bit of the animosity directed at him for all the reasons listed above, and more. He fits the Dr. Strangelove role perfectly, he's an appalling self-aggrandizer who's responsible for more bad foreign policy decisions than anyone else in modern history, AND his Jewishness works well with the Trilateral Commission international conspiracy stereotype. People are free to mix and match among the many and various reasons to loath him.

I have a high opinion of Ferguson as a thinker and a populizer of history. He's no longer limited strictly to academia, and that's in general a Good Thing. We need more well-informed speculation.

Side point--with all due respect to tWB, the record shows that "Soviet ambitions" in the Middle East had dramatic negative consequences. The PLO and Arafat owe their existence in large measure to Soviet support funneled through Romania's Securitate for many years; Saddam Hussein's huge military establishment was predominately Warsaw Pact, and used to launch wars of aggression the consequences of which we're still dealing with; and etc. Maybe not "effective" in terms of what the Soviets wanted to accomplish ultimately, but certainly a major factor in keeping the pot boiling.

You know, I'm pretty sure my dislike of Steve Sailer is motivated by anti-Semitism.

Powell: "We need more well-informed speculation."

Certainly not getting it from you, troll.

That doesn't address his point - Why does Kissinger get so much more attention than people Ferguson implies were objectively more supportive of third world violence.

Is there any U.S. foreign policy figure with a more despicable track record than Kissinger's, who has essentially unlimited access to the WaPo op-ed page to this very day?

And there's your answer: we have a Washington political/media establishment that still respects and venerates Kissinger. By doing so, they essentially whitewash our entire post-WWII legacy of supporting vicious strongmen in the name of anticommunism. Kissinger may not have invented this policy, but he eagerly embraced and extended it.

Take Guatemala, for instance. Our policy there predated Kissinger's entry into power, but if he had a problem with it, he had plenty of time to change our role there. By the time he stepped down as Secretary of State, Guatemala was his baby just as much as it was John Foster Dulles'.

If the Villagers regarded Kissinger as a war criminal, it would also be accepted that his predecessors in the "support your local anticommunist thug" game were war criminals. Kissinger's embrace and active pursuance of that approach, and the Villagers' embrace of him, is what turns him into the legitimate proxy for our political establishment's attitude towards that policy as a whole.

To be serious for a second, Ben (in passing) raises a good point. Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. The word Nobel doesn't appear in Ferguson's article. One would suppose that this (among everything else mentioned above) makes Kissinger a particularly natural target of criticism. If I think ten people are war criminals and I'm only going to focus on one of them, I probably focus on the guy who I think didn't deserve his Nobel.

Also, I gather that Kissinger is not alive, but is considered in some quarters to be a respected "elder statesman". He seems to be a not infrequent guest on the Charlie Rose show, for instance. Another reason to target him over, you know, Dean Rusk.

""a book about Guatemala called “The Trial of John Foster Dulles,”"

The title is actually Bitter Fruit.

Ghengis Khan. From what I gather - he changed his last name from Kahn. I despise the man not least of all because he was a sneaky Jew.

As to Kissinger - always thought he was Irish. Now, I really hate him.

I was under the impression that Kissinger was Canadian(?).

Why? Everybody has their reason. The humbug "insanity" tactics. Vietnam. Chile. East Timor. The affectless manner of dealing with the huge numbers of deaths his policies spawned. Even his accent -- Kissinger came to this country at a time when association with one's peers shapes one's adult accent. He never lost his accent. QED: he never found peers.

"Ego-centric loner with a taste for death" probably tops "Jew" as a reason to dislike him even among the most hardened anti-semite.

You know you're dealing with someone on an "interesting" path when Steve Sailer praises their views on ethnicity as moving in a "productive" direction.


Ghengis Khan. From what I gather - he changed his last name from Kahn.

Also known as Cohen the Barbarian, of course.

The thing that undermines Fergueson's thesis is that Kissinger's public persona was never Jewish -- it was Germanic. Of a certain ..uh..milieu.

One can easily visualize Henry signing off on "The Final Solution to the Chilean Problem" while sipping cognac, listening to Wagner and squeezing Jill St John's tit. While grinning at a photograph of Himmler.

It's not anti-Semitic to despise the Rotschilds, and more than it is to despise Kissinger. The Rotschilds were not just plutocratic financiers involved in the most parasitic and predatory form of capitalism, but they were perverts to boot. In order to keep their wealth out of non-Rothschild hands, they practiced the custom of marrying their cousins.

I dislike the economic role played by financiers in general, but I reserve particular dislike for those financiers who happen to be sexual perverts as well.

Of course, none of the Rothschild's many sins compares with Kissinger's role in the outrages perpetrated on the people of Chile, Viet Nam, and Cambodia.

By the way, one reason you had fewer quotable examples of revulsion at the Reagan's gleeful support for the genocidal army campaign in Guatemala was that my fellow Americans hardly knew such a thing had happened, as compared to the gigantic and nation-changing involvement of the U.S. foreign policy establishment (represented by Kissinger) in the wars against the civilians of Indochina.

Those of us who were either working against such policies here or traveling back & forth between Central America and other locations pleading for some force to stop the mass killings of civilians by U.S.-propped and directed armies certainly were quite repulsed, but there wasn't one simple over-arching nefarious figure to tie the policies too, outside Reagan himself and a shifting menagerie of aspiring demons, such as Elliot Abrams.

Ego maniacal war criminal and warmonger Henry Kissinger is a victim of racism but not, tragically, of being pushed, bound and gagged, out of airplane over the pacific.

Outside of America and tory circles in the UK Ferguson is recognized more as a right wing polemicist than a historian and his brand of right-wing historical revisionism (see also Roy Foster, Richard English) is part of a long term project by right wing academics to role back the idea that imperialism, colonialism and "free market" capitalism might have had a negative effects on the common good (if indeed there is such a thing). Kissinger is a fellow traveler of Ferguson's and the volkish solidarity is unsurprising.

Its funny that critics of Noam Chomsky never get accused of antisemitism though, eh?

The Rotschilds were not just plutocratic financiers involved in the most parasitic and predatory form of capitalism...

If you believe that, than you might as well give up on the state because the Rothschilds' business was based on meeting the needs of governments.

...but they were perverts to boot. In order to keep their wealth out of non-Rothschild hands, they practiced the custom of marrying their cousins.

That is a perfectly legitimate strategy in which the Rothschilds were by no means alone. Have you ever looked at a family tree of, I don't know, Ptolemaic Egypt? Perhaps it can be carried a bit too far for the practitioners' own good, but it is not a sexual perversion.

I dislike the economic role played by financiers in general, but I reserve particular dislike for those financiers who happen to be sexual perverts as well.

You know little of which you speak.

One problem with putting Dulles and/or Rusk on trial is that they are dead.

Also, I gather that Kissinger is not alive

Possibly true, but I haven't seen any convincing evidence.

The other reason Kissinger remains a unique target of hostility is the fact that he is a liar -- a shameless, unrestrained, pathological liar. He lies while he's lying, then lies about the lies he just lied about.

Before I learned Kissinger was Jewish, I learned about some of the horrible things he did. So if I dislike the guy before, and dislike the guy after, does my dislike of him after learning he's Jewish become anti-Semitism?
Posted by Jeremy | May 29, 2008 12:04 AM

Funniest comment I've read in awhile.
It's like a zen koan.
If I dislike a jewish man but I think he's a gentile, am I still an anti-semite?

Hector,

to continue with with Marshall's comment, have you ever looked at the Royal houses of Europe? Or the "Habsburg jaw" for that matter? Cousin marriage as a taboo has only become as taboo as it is recently. And it wasn't just to keep property in the family. Some places just had very small populations, especially in very rural isolated communities.

As for Kissinger's detractors being motivated by anti-semitism, whatever. I could care less if some people hate him because he's Jewish. I could care less what religion he belongs to. I hate him because he's a monster and war criminal.

Ferguson's criticism is laughable. It is an ad hominem, not a refutation of the charges against Kissinger.

Re Marshall's comment "If you believe that, than you might as well give up on the state because the Rothschilds' business was based on meeting the needs of governments."
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Yes -- "needs" like waging wars of aggression that killed large numbers of innocents as well as impovishing even the citizens of the aggressors. Little things like that.

"War is our business. Business is good".

to follow up on a comment up thread, the neocons of the '70's, who were Jewish, hated Kissinger.

In "they knew they were right," Jacob Heibrunn puts forth the theory that the neocons hated Kissinger so much, that after he hooked up with president Ford after Nixon resigned, the neocons actively worked against Ford's renomination.

In "nixonland" Rick Perlstein writes that in order to curry favor with officials in Pakistan who were helping Kissinger by opening a back channel to China, he looked the other way as Pakistan committed genocide in Bangladesh.

there are plenty of reasons to hate Kissinger
that don't include his religion.

Yes -- "needs" like waging wars of aggression that killed large numbers of innocents as well as impovishing even the citizens of the aggressors. Little things like that.

I submit that "needs" is precisely the right word since it is in the nature of states to protect its interests by harming the interests of others. Kill or be killed. Certainly not morally neutral, but inherent in the way the world is organized. It is pointless to decry it: better spend time laboring to improve its outcomes.

And of course the Rothschilds profited by it and for that bring sin onto themselves, but as a matter of empirical history they were not a necessary instrument to bringing about state coercion.

roac -- I like to think that I I did not leave out the word "just", but was actually was calling Kissinger a zombie.

Re: That is a perfectly legitimate strategy in which the Rothschilds were by no means alone.

Um, I know that they were not unique in that regard. I'm sure that all of history's many incestuaries had 'legitimations' for what they did. whether it be keeping property in the family, or some of today's nonsense about 'consenting adults', or what have you. That doesn't make them morally correct.

Monarchy tends to lead to obsession with 'limpieza de sangre' and bloodlines, of which the Hapsburg inbreeding is one of the many consequences. That isn't _why_ I oppose monarchy, but it confirms me in my belief that monarchy is generally something less than an ideal system of government. That said, the Rothschilds were at best a crude and vulgar parody of the Hapsburgs, sharing all of their decadence and luxury with none of their sense of piety and chivalry. It's hard to imagine one of the Rothschild scions playing the role that Don Juan of Austria did in defence of Europe in 1571.

Re Marshall's comment "And of course the Rothschilds profited by it and for that bring sin onto themselves, but as a matter of empirical history they were not a necessary instrument to bringing about state coercion."
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Marshall obviously understands little of military affairs.

A military rule of thumb is that it takes about 5 soldiers on offense to overcome 1 soldier on defense. Obviously, geographical barriers or lack of them add or subtract to this effect.

A check on wars of aggression has always been their relatively huge cost and risk of limited payback. When a king or tyrant has to put the touch on his subjects, he usually hits a wall of resistance. Bankers like the Rothschilds exist to undermine this check.

The USA exists because Dutch bankers cut off King George III's line of credit after Patriot militia victories at Kings Mountain and Cowpens made clear that the hugely expensive British occupation would not yield a profit.

Our modern King George could never started his unnecessary war in Iraq if he had had to finance the war via taxes on his rich patrons. That's why he had to steal $3 Trillion out of the Social Security Trust Fund.

The Rothschilds didn't just profit by European wars of aggression -- they enabled those wars.

But the people most fucked by the Rothschilds and other ultra-wealthy Jewish financiers was the Jewish community itself. For centuries, Monarchs found the easiest way out of deep debt was to start a pogrom against "the Jews".

More recently, Zionist leader Lord Rothschild's deal with British PM Lloyd -George --to create Israel via the Balfour Declaration in exchange
for financial support in WWI -- laid the basis for the Nazis' "stab in the back" claim and helped bring on the Holocaust. Although the Warburgs support for Hitler help defer that Holocaust for 10 years.

PS Look also at where Bismarck got the money to prosecute his wars.

the Rothschilds were at best a crude and vulgar parody of the Hapsburgs, sharing all of their decadence and luxury with none of their sense of piety and chivalry

The history of Mexico and all of Latin America is very pious and chivalrous.

Marshall obviously understands little of military affairs.

You write that, and then you enumerate several examples of precisely the phenomenon I outlined. The Rothschilds enabled state coercion, but without them the coercion would have been enabled by someone else, "the Dutch bankers," for instance, or as you say, the Bleichroders. Apparently there are numerous banking interests that will sin for profit, not just the Rothschilds. In other words, exactly what I said.

More recently, Zionist leader Lord Rothschild's deal with British PM Lloyd George --to create Israel via the Balfour Declaration in exchange
for financial support in WWI -- laid the basis for the Nazis' "stab in the back" claim and helped bring on the Holocaust

It sounds like you believe the stab-in-the-back claim.

The evolution of the modern nation-state was facilitated by bankers at least from the time the Lombards invented the modern banking industry in the late Middle Ages. Kings all over Europe broke away from dependence on war-lord nobles for armies in part by borrowing, but perhaps more significantly by forming (or re-enabling) institutions like the Cortez, the Estates General, and Parliament to raise taxes for the finance of national armies.

Blaming the Rothschilds for all the faults of the modern nation-state seems familiar, not so much as anti-Semitism per se as of the larger tendency to find simple explanations for complex phenomena in narrow conspiracy theories. Like trying to understand the Iraq war as entirely a function of George Bush's personality flaws.

"Ego maniacal war criminal and warmonger Henry Kissinger is a victim of racism but not, tragically, of being pushed, bound and gagged, out of airplane over the pacific."

Seconded. Can we get a consensus in this thread in favor of throwing Kissinger out of a plane, guerra sucia style? A guy who even Steve Sailor and Robert Powell despise seems like a good candidate for embarrassing Matt by the violent inclinations of his commenters.


Thanks Kalkin, a world when nobody else wants to see Henry Kissinger poisoned by defoliant, burned by napalm, kidnapped and tossed out of an airplane over the sea is not one that I could live in. Of course I have given him a pass on the throat slitting with a palm leaf KR style but I know some mercy.

He was, and is, an apologist for the worst kinds of aggression and subversion, and though we still have a few months of worry to go the repellent Cheney regime can not compare with his body count or the damage he intentionally did to so many societies.

As a not so amusing aside when I saw the self regarding serial bomber do a TV ad for the economist I knew I could never buy it again.

"Because Dean Rusk and John Foster Dulles are dead, and Kissinger isn't."

Does this mean that historians should find new employment?

Ferguson wasn't talking about criminal investigations. He was talking about historical literature. We might care to reexamine the latter before we foolishly examine the former. The (poor) quality and intent of the existing literature should make us pause lest we look foolish to those who will look back upon us.

Whether or not anti-Semitism has played a role in the the radical views about Kissinger is uninteresting to me. What is interesting is that these views are radical, and the product of a liberal agenda. Fact-check the books that rail against him, and you'll find that they generally fall flat on their face.


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