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Straight Talk Means Lying Constantly

20 May 2008 12:10 pm

It's increasingly clear that John McCain intends to use his special relationship with the press to run a campaign based on relentlessly lying about his opponent:

At a press conference here, I just asked John McCain about why he keeps talking about Obama's alleged willingness to talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has no power over Iranian foreign policy, rather than Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who does. He said that Ahmadinejad is the guy who represents Iran in international forums like the United Nations, which is a fair point. When I followed with the observation that the Supreme Leader is, uh, the Supreme Leader, McCain responded that the "average American" thinks Ahmadinejad is the boss. Didn't get a chance to follow up to that, but I would have asked, "But isn't it your job to correct those sorts of mistaken impressions on the part of the American public?" Oh well.

But of course it's not. McCain and McCain's allies in the world of neoconservative punditry have deliberately created the entirely false notion that Ahmadenijad runs Iranian foreign policy. One point I've been making in my book-related appearances is that it's not a coincidence that the preventive war crowd told a lot of whoppers about Iraq before the war and is telling a lot of whoppers about Iran now -- the right knows that contrary to the prevailing conventional wisdom, there's just no evidence that the American people are deep down yearning for senseless violence and imperial adventurism.

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I'll take the optimistic view for the moment, at least Joe Klein, who is temperamentally the type of journalist to like McCain, saw through this and has been seeing through it. But, in part, that is because Klein takes foreign policy seriously--and knows something about it. For other journalists, I fear, who only know "campaigns" they will keep eating McCain's shit.

It looked like John McCain was getting pissed off that someone from the media was challenging him. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6Va7PEBg8&eurl

Since Matt mentioned book talks: I enjoyed his presentation at Politics&Prose.

I agree with the audience comment that Matt "packed a lot of info into a short talk"

Yep, we may be gullible, but we are not inherently warlike.

Fiery stuff. Who has been lacing your cornflakes? Is this the start of the general election campaign?

This is retarded, America has always talked about Iranian presidents as though they were the only ones in the Iranian government that mattered. We did it with Khatami too. Do you hear Obama talking about Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei?

Political Savage:

Thanks for the video. Reminds me of this lie McCain kept snarling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd8wOYgK9qY

anon said... This is retarded, America has always talked about Iranian presidents as though they were the only ones in the Iranian government that mattered. We did it with Khatami too.

What are you smoking? We KNEW that Khatami had limited power because the clerics could override him whenever they wished. And they did. Khatami was fairly moderate, remember? How much progress did he make, domestically and in foreign policy, while president? Only what the clerics allowed, which wasn't that much.

Learn a bit of history before making silly statements. Sheesh!

I have to say that Yglesias is easily among the worst boosters Obama could ever get. This guy makes my head shake.

Supposedly the American President should be correcting mistaken impressions ! yeah, we need a teacher pointing things out to us - none of us would actually try to learn about a foreign country's politics on our own - you see we are too retarded for that.

If The Supreme Leader is indeed the Supreme Leader, how come we have Ahmedinejad fiercly denying the nuclear program, saying that its meant for generating electricity only? How does he make such open remarks about Israel's destruction ? Does the..ahem.. Supreme Leader agree with those policies and observations of that moonbat ? Well,, i guess.. he DOES ! If it were up to Khamenei, their nuclear program could be stopped cold in its tracks any day. Its support for terrorism in Iraq, Labanon and Palestine could be stopped in a minute.

So, whether its important to correct misperceptions of American people about who is exactly in charge of Iran, its even more important to keep them informed on what Iranian foreign policy actually is. More important than this quibbling from Yglesias.

"But of course it's not. McCain and McCain's allies in the world of neoconservative punditry have deliberately created the entirely false notion that Ahmadenijad runs Iranian foreign policy."

I was on a non-political forum thread a few days ago(anyway it was supposed to be a sports forum) and the topic was "people you'd like to shoot into space never to return". After several posters had already replied about how right he was, I couldn't resist replying to the guy who said he couldn't believe nobody had mentioned Ahmadenijad since he'd been causing "all the problems in the world and was the biggest threat we've faced since Hitler". I replied that Ahmadenijad could hardly be the source of all the world's problems since he didn't hold real power in his own relatively small and weak country that hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years. Several posters were just stunned to hear anybody say anything so incredibly crazy. They were talking about what I said; they were in agreement with him.

Geez, Matthew, talk about grasping at straws!

We don't even have formal relations with the country. Even if Obama decides all at once that he's got this insatiable urge to go to Iran, what's he planning to do? Barge past the foreign minister and president demanding "Take me to your leader!"?

Get a grip.

What MarkG, et al don't graps is that this displays McCain's dishonesty and elitism. He really thinks the American public is stupid.

What MarkG, et al don't graps is that this displays McCain's dishonesty and elitism. He really thinks the American public is stupid.

Klein is an idiot. Obama has stated that he would meet with with Ahmadinejad.

video here, first question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2yJqWguCU

Your lips must be moving.


So, looking at the comments so far. McCain basically said that he thinks American voters are too stupid to know when they're being lied to, so he's going to take advantage of that to lie about what Obama plans to do vis-a-vis Iran.

And a whole lot of wingnuts turn up here to prove that they're stupid enough to agree with him.

November cannot come quickly enough for these arseholes.

dualdiagnosis: That video doesn't say what you think it says.

Does the..ahem.. Supreme Leader agree with those policies and observations of that moonbat ? Well,, i guess.. he DOES !

Since the Supreme Leader prevented several of Ahmadinejad's supporters from even running for office, we can safely conclude that they don't see eye to eye.

Those of us not stupid enough to be Republicans, that is.
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Supposedly the American President should be correcting mistaken impressions ! yeah, we need a teacher pointing things out to us - none of us would actually try to learn about a foreign country's politics on our own - you see we are too retarded for that.

Yes, yes, no, and no. Kthnxbye.

Klein is an idiot. Obama has stated that he would meet with with Ahmadinejad.

video here, first question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2yJqWguCU

Klein is an idiot.

No shit.
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I've always been baffled by this one as well. Even if we decided to have direct talks with Iran's leadership tomorrow, of course we'd meet with the Supreme Leader and not with Ahmadinejad. When Putin talked with Iran a few months back, he met with Khamenei and not Ahmadinejad; does anyone really think the American President would have to settle for a lower-level discussion partner than Putin did?

Nevertheless, this gotcha is inaccurately aimed at McCain. On many occasions since the original YouTube debate, Obama has referred to Ahmadinejad as the foreign leader under discussion. See, for example, Obama: I would still meet with Ahmadinejad.

There's no question that Ahmadinejad's name is a button-pusher, but it's not all McCain's fault. Obama hasn't taken a single opportunity to clarify that he doesn't see Ahmadinejad as the leader of Iran or the appropriate person to meet with.

Obama hasn't taken a single opportunity to clarify that he doesn't see Ahmadinejad as the leader of Iran or the appropriate person to meet with.

Since Obama isn't the one declaring who can or cannot come to the tea party, he doesn't need to.

Talking to Ahmadinejad, while visiting Iran, would not preclude talking to people who matter.

In the meantime, those who think this is an issue are likely people who think Ahmadinejad is a problem are likely people who think Ahmadinejad is a dictator are likely people who would vote for McCain.

And the whole point in beating Republicans is to make sure that their stupidity isn't our problem.
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Klein is an idiot. Obama has stated that he would meet with with Ahmadinejad.

video here, first question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2yJqWguCU

What's up with all the snitty, incoherent whining in this thread? Did this post get a link from some batshit-insane warblogger?

I dunno, JW, but "dualdiagnosis" seems to suffer from both anterograde amnesia AND illiteracy.
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First sorry for the multiple posts, I kept receiving an error from server.

Second to Leo, turn up the volume for the first question.

The question is "Senator, you've said before that you would meet with Ahmadinejad . Would you still meet with him, today?"

Obama says yes.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has no power over Iranian foreign policy

This is wildly overstated. Ahmadinejad may have less power of Iranian foreign policy than one might expect given that he's the titular President, but it's a long step from that to 'no power' as an appropriate summary.

Tough luck for President Ahmadinejad that Barack had to down-size (or right-size) him. Now he is a mere lacky, yet last fall he was a dictator.

...But this is America, and we should never be afraid to confront the ranting lies of dictators like Ahmadinejad with the power of truth and the strength of our own values.

Whatever.

Either McCain seriously doesn't know how Iran's constitution works (my vote) or else he doesn't care how it works, and just wants to be as belligerent as possible toward them.

"This is wildly overstated. Ahmadinejad may have less power of Iranian foreign policy than one might expect given that he's the titular President, but it's a long step from that to 'no power' as an appropriate summary."

That's true. But we should remember that Ahmadinejad is really the third most powerful person in Iran. Rafsanjani still pulls more weight than Ahmadinejad. Rafsanjani will pick the next Supreme Leader and his candidate will probably win the presidency in the next election. He's the real force in Iran. If Obama wants to talk to anyone, he should talk to Rafsanjani.

Uhhhh.... how was McCain's statement a lie? I think you and Klein wish that McCain had used the press conference as an opportunity to teach Americans about Iranian governmental structure, but - and granted, I could be wrong - declining to deliver a poly sci lecture isn't quite the same thing as a lie. Right?

Wait, that's not what I wanted to ask. Sorry.

Has DC picked up your garbage yet?

"If The Supreme Leader is indeed the Supreme Leader, how come we have Ahmedinejad fiercly denying the nuclear program, saying that its meant for generating electricity only? How does he make such open remarks about Israel's destruction ? Does the..ahem.. Supreme Leader agree with those policies and observations of that moonbat ? Well,, i guess.. he DOES ! If it were up to Khamenei, their nuclear program could be stopped cold in its tracks any day. Its support for terrorism in Iraq, Labanon and Palestine could be stopped in a minute."

So because A-jad goes around shooting his mouth off, he's the one in charge? I'm not sure how any of this is supposed to be evidence of his power. When the Supreme Court was deciding the Michigan affirmative action case early in Bush's first term, Condi came out in favor of AA. By your logic, Condi doing this means she is in charge of education policy.

Matt: "...is telling a lot of whoppers about Iran now..."

Whoppers that Matt can't comment on, for reasons we all know by now, having to do with intellectual cowardice.

This is retarded, America has always talked about Iranian presidents as though they were the only ones in the Iranian government that mattered

That's true, actually. I remember back in the 1980s no one paid any attention at all to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini. [SARCASM OFF]


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