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By Request: USA Basketball

25 Jun 2008 09:02 am

Several people have asked me to comment on the announced roster of the US Senior Men's Basketball Team set to compete in Beijing. The way I think about it is this. The biggest stars in the NBA tend to be guys who can score frequently by getting shots in the paint either through low-post play or through dribble penetration. We also know from bitter experience that our international foes will try to counter our scorers by playing a zone defense designed to pack the paint. We also know that big-time NBA stars aren't necessarily top-notch defenders. Conclusion -- you want to focus on guys who can shoot from outside and who can defend.

It's not that those are the only important skills. But Kobe Bryant fits comfortably within that framework and he's also got more to his offensive game than that. So you've got Kobe. Then you need to ask, what do we want Kobe to do when he drives and finds the lane swarming with foreigners? Well, we don't want him to kick it out to Jason Kidd, who's a poor shot. But Deron Williams? Now we're getting somewhere. I think the ideal lineup, from big to small, would be something like Tim Duncan, Shawn Marion, Tayshaun Prince, Kobe Bryant, and Deron Williams. That's a lineup that could space the floor extremely well and defend superbly.

The problem with the roster they've assembled is that it doesn't include Marion or anyone with an Marion-like ability to defend the power forward position and shoot from outside. At the same time, the team includes non-shooters Jason Kidd, LeBron James, and Dwayne Wade on the perimeter. Those guys are both good players, obviously, but it's kind of suboptimal. Wade and James are such huge stars that it's hard to see doing without them, but I'd feel a lot better with Marion instead of Kidd (we don't need three point guards anyway). It also continues to baffle me that Mike D'Antoni isn't the coach of the team -- he has experience coaching NBA players and he has experience coaching FIBA-rules basketball; since we're asking NBA players to coach a FIBA-rules game that sounds like what we're looking for. Coach K has experience doing neither of those things.

More broadly, I think the discussion around this topic needs to pay more attention to the fact that the rules are different. You need to design teams that can beat true zone defense. The closer-in location of the three point line changes how effective some people are. And if you've been playing the game one way professionally for years, it's difficult to just switch to a different set of rules -- especially when your opponents are more familiar with those rules.

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Ok, call me a homer, but I think its a travesty none of the Celtics big three is on this roster. Maybe they asked out but if you ask me, Paul Pierce, KG and Ray Allen are exactly what this roster needs.

Pierce proved to be a beast on defense who could knock down the long-range jumper. I think he could cover the Olympic fours. KG is a stellar defender who, despite his shooting slump in the finals, can hit from the outside as well as inside. And Allen is just a pure shooter. Who would you rather have Kobe kicking it out to than Ray Allen or Paul Pierce.

Seems to me that the Celtics are still receiving very little respect despite what they accomplished this year.

(heck, even a James Posey would be a good pick for this team, strong defender and can knock down the three)

Like I said, call me a homer, but I think these are valid points.

I like Michael Redd coming off the bench to break a zone. He's a decent 3-point shooter on a dire NBA team. He's averaged 15 a game in international play, so he's earned his chops there.

Why no love for him, Matthew?

I think certainly the fact that the team is smaller than past teams - Howard, Bosh and Boozer are the only true post players, IIRC - is a recognition of past failures, as is the inclusion of a pure shooter like Redd. But I agree that they could have gone further. Kidd is in rapid decline, and his inclusion on the team was the most disappointing. Besides Marion, it seems like the player that most fits the type of defender/outside shooter you're looking for is...Rasheed Wallace. I wonder why he was left off. (Snark.)

Agreed 100% on the D'Antoni point. He fit the bill perfectly.

Ok, call me a homer, but I think its a travesty none of the Celtics big three is on this roster. Maybe they asked out but if you ask me, Paul Pierce, KG and Ray Allen are exactly what this roster needs.

Pierce proved to be a beast on defense who could knock down the long-range jumper. I think he could cover the Olympic fours. KG is a stellar defender who, despite his shooting slump in the finals, can hit from the outside as well as inside. And Allen is just a pure shooter. Who would you rather have Kobe kicking it out to than Ray Allen or Paul Pierce.

Seems to me that the Celtics are still receiving very little respect despite what they accomplished this year.

(heck, even a James Posey would be a good pick for this team, strong defender and can knock down the three)

Like I said, call me a homer, but I think these are valid points.

Beating the zone with shooters is kinda overrated, IMO, but whatever. To me, your secondary point (about changing rules and such) is why the defining characteristic of all the players should be their (to use a cliched term) "bball IQ".

Which is why Wade and Kobe and Kidd seem like good choices. I didnt get to watch Lebron this year, so I don't know if he's improved or not, but I've never been impressed by his decision-making. He's just so physically talented and overpowering that he more than makes up for a pretty poor idea of what is and is not a good shot, when he should and should not be aggressive, etc etc.

Also: it certainly never hurts to have dead-eye shooters, that's true even in the NBA's man/rotating zone combo defenses. So I'm happy to have guys out there who can hit the 3, it's a necessity. But I think that's way overplayed when discussing international ball.

Ok, call me a homer, but I think its a travesty none of the Celtics big three is on this roster.

Call me a homer, but I'm elated none of the thirtysomething big three are on this roster. You want them playing more games? Jayzus. More likely, you're a Lakers fan who wants the Celtics' two year window shut tight now.

You wouldn't start Bron and Melo, even though they were, by far, the best players at the 2007 FIBA tournament?

I really don't think we need any special strategy; all we need is a group of 12 willing to spend some time practicing together before the Olympics, which is basically the point of the post-2004 team. The best team we'll play in 08 is something like Navarro, Fernandez, Gasol, Calderon and Garcia - there are no circumstances where even the US third team should lose to those guys.

"More broadly, I think the discussion around this topic needs to pay more attention to the fact that the rules are different."

Yes, the rules are different, Matt, but the real issue here--the real reason that our pros have such a hard time with the international game--is that FIBA rules are actually enforced on the court. The NBA? When it comes to the league's stars and flagship teams, the rules are somewhat...subjective, to say the least. And for the megastars like Kobe and LeBron, there are no rules.

It's also true that many of the other international teams have played much longer together as teams, but I don't know we deal with that.

NB: part of the composition of the team stems from USA Basketball's decision to make being a member of Team USA basically a 3-yr commitment. They didn't want people drifting in & out and failing to establish a set chemistry and game-plan. THAT is why people like KG (and possibly Marion) are not on the team. They asked KG a year or two ago when they had this idea; he declined.

I read this in a story on Yahoo or maybe on David Friedman's blog (20-second timeout), but I don't have the time to track it down.

Tayshaun Prince was fantastic in the FIBA Americas tournament in '07. It would be hard not to pick him after he played so well in the international system as a complimentary player to Kobe, LeBron, and 'Melo. Prince played some point forward and had the third-best assist-to-TO ratio AND the second-best rebounding rate playing as a 6th man.

Baron Davis? Both a great defender and a great shooter. He should be on that team. (He's also a good team leader, IMHO.)

-a warriors fan

I actually think this team will be fine. The first thing to remember is that the FIBA three-point line is more than three feet closer than the NBA line. Redd, Kobe, Prince, Williams, Melo, and Bosh can all shoot well from 20'6".

The second thing is that these big men are a bit different from in years past: Bosh can play entirely facing the basket if need be, and Boozer has a very good midrange jumper. Also, since they resolutely refuse to call moving picks in FIBA, Boozer's and Williams' experience running the pick and roll (or pick and pop against a zone) could be truly deadly. You're right; other countries' guards and forwards are likely to drop back and dare us to shoot over them, but if we can pull their bigger defenders away from the basket, we're still going to have a lot of room for weakside cutters, etc.

As to the other big, I don't think Dwight Howard will be much of an offensive force, but he also frees up our perimeter defense to pressure and overplay. If you've ever watched Duke (I know, you hate college basketball), you know that's how Coach K likes to defend. As it happens, Kobe, Kidd, LeBron, Wade, Prince, and Melo all have great reach relative to their positions, and most of those guys can defend on-ball, as well. A lineup of Kobe, Kidd, Wade, Prince, and Dwight Howard would the best defensive lineup the team has had in twelve years (since the unworldly defense of Payton, Pippen, Olajuwon, Robinson, and any other scrub you wanted to toss out there).

Abe: KG has said he won't play, and Pierce is unavailable to injury. That leaves only Ray Allen, who was less than inspiring for most of the playoffs.

Agreed that Kidd is the worst inclusion and Marion would fill the most obvious weak spot.

But it seems to me that the single biggest advantage this USA team has is its depth. And exploiting this advantage will require some outside-the-box thinking on substitutions... throwing unexpected lineups at them, forcing them to adapt their game plan, wearing them down and attacking them with fresh legs in the 4th Quarter.

Coach K is an excellent team-builder. But for my money, he's one of the worst big-name basketball coaches at any level when it comes to in-game adjustments and substitutions. Nearly every year his Duke teams get punked in the second half of a tournament game by a team that pounds away in the paint, or shoots the lights out from the outside, while Duke fails to adjust.

This is a solid team that will surely fare better than the '04 squad. But I'm still deeply skeptical.

It also baffles me why we have Jason Kidd on the team.

Note that the US swapped seven players off of the '04 bronze medal team. Gone are (in roughly positional order):

Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, Tim Duncan, Emeka Okafor, Richard Jefferson,Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudemire. (For some reason, wiki only lists 11 '04 players.)

Those seven were exchanged for the following eight:

Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Redd.

It looks to me like US Basketball decided to get actual point guards, limit the headcases, improve defense, and upgrade total talent. That, plus the improvement of James, et al., is more than enough. The US will kill the rest of the world.

I dropped Deron Williams above. And, yes, the inclusion of Kidd is a mistake. But even the Dream Team had its Laettner.

Matt, you DO know that a very similar iteration of Team USA played last summer and absolutely obliterated everyone who walked on the court with them, right?

Kidd was very effective last summer. Point guard play is pretty important in the international game too, and he sees the floor and runs the fast break well, which is crucial to maximizing the athleticism advantage. Plus, he's going to be playing against inferior international defenders, which is easier than playing against Chris Paul. He shouldn't start ahead of Paul or anything, but he's earned his spot on this team.

We've got Redd to space the floor, plus most of these guys can shoot well from that crappy 3 point line. And Prince will provide lockdown defense. And did I mention that traffic cones have a better chance of guarding Carmelo Anthony than FIBA players do? And that soft, flat-footed international big men will have to cope with Howard, the most physically gifted big man since Wilt Chamberlain? And that I haven't even mentioned the two most talented basketball players on earth, who also happen to be on this team?

Chauncey Billups is better than kidd and Williams, and should be backing up Chris Paul on the team. (I suppose picking Williams over Billups is defensible if we're thinking about getting him experience for the future.)

Kevin Martin or Brandon Roy would have been an upgrade over Redd.

Butler or Pierce would be better to have than Melo, but whatever.

Howard, Bosh, and Boozer are perfect choices for the bigs given that Garnett and Amare chose not to play.

LeBron was actually an assassin last summer. I think he made something like 60% of his 3 point shots. He should without question be starting.

As to the other big, I don't think Dwight Howard will be much of an offensive force, but he also frees up our perimeter defense to pressure and overplay.

I completely disagree. Howard is like Tyson Chandler squared, and Paul and Chandler had the most alley-oops in all of basketball this year. Just imagine what will happen when Paul and Howard are on the floor together. Plus, Howard played out of his mind in the playoffs this year, until he met the Pistons.

As for the overall team, I agree with many of the commenters here: everybody on this team has high b-ball IQ, and everybody is a winner. Our defense and rebounding is going to be scary good, and will spark fast-breaks on a team with a plethora of finishers. If Kobe plays like he did last summer, when he decided his job was to completely and utterly shut down the opponent's best scorer, then all the other guys will follow suit, if only to not be embarrassed by a lack of effort when the best basketball player on the planet, and your teammate, is so obviously refashioning his game for the betterment of the team.

As for Coach K, his job is to lend his name and prestige and get the team to buy into winning. Only somebody as hallowed as the players could effectively coach and inspire a US basketball squad, and the number of coaches out there who meet that standard are few. I think he's a good choice.

As to the other big, I don't think Dwight Howard will be much of an offensive force, but he also frees up our perimeter defense to pressure and overplay.

I disagree. Howard is like Tyson Chandler squared, and Paul and Chandler had the most alley-oops in all of basketball this year. Just imagine what will happen when Paul and Howard are on the floor together. Plus, Howard played out of his mind in the playoffs this year, until he met the Pistons.

As for the overall team, I agree with many of the commenters here: everybody on this team has high b-ball IQ, and everybody is a winner. Our defense and rebounding is going to be scary good, and will spark fast-breaks on a team with a plethora of finishers. If Kobe plays like he did last summer, when he decided his job was to completely and utterly shut down the opponent's best scorer, then all the other guys will follow suit, if only to not be embarrassed by a lack of effort when the best basketball player on the planet, and your teammate, is so obviously refashioning his game for the betterment of the team.

As for Coach K, his job is to lend his name and prestige and get the team to buy into winning. Only somebody as hallowed as the players could effectively coach and inspire a US basketball squad, and the number of coaches out there who meet that standard are few. I think he's a good choice.

s for Coach K, his job is to lend his name and prestige and get the team to buy into winning.

Coach K is a minion of the Devil. It would take an act of God for this team to lose, and the choice of Coach K is the only thing that keeps that possibility alive.

Yes, the rules are different, Matt, but the real issue here--the real reason that our pros have such a hard time with the international game--is that FIBA rules are actually enforced on the court.

This doesn't seem to be the case at all. FIBA officiating doesn't seem to suck any less than NBA officiating, it just sucks different. jhupp cited the moving pick thing above, and they call traveling on head and shoulder fakes even when the player's feet don't move. Tim Duncan was so infuriated with the way FIBA officiated the game inside that he vowed never to play international ball again. I know Duncan is viewed as a complainer anyway, but it seems worth mentioning that he seemed to hate these refs even more than he hates the NBA refs.

As for objectivity/subjectivity, there have been some international games where I certainly started to wonder whether the refs were out to get the US team, and I'm not the only one that wondered.

SCMT - For some reason, wiki only lists 11 '04 players.

The missing name is Lamar Odom. And yes, this bolsters your argument.

I'm a Celtics fan, Pierce is one of my favorite players, but for reasons I don't quite have a handle on Carmelo Anthony is a much better FIBA player than NBA player; he absolutely should be starting on this team. Beyond that I think there are some legitimate questions about the team's composition* and the process of its assembly, not to mention the fact that Dwight Howard is the only guy on the roster who doesn't endorse Nike or a Nike-operated brand.

* The Team USA braintrust appears committed to a vision of uptempo FIBA ball that calls for playing, basically, small ball, and I'm not sold on it. (And Carmelo and BronBron certainly have the bodies to play 4 when necessary, but it's not like they have any experience doing so.)

** The whole "you need to build equity" thing was pretty much BS; in the middle of the Finals, Team USA buried the announcement that they were cancelling the last workouts and were just going to announce the team, which included a guy - Boozer - who missed the last two summers.

Butler or Pierce would be better to have than Melo, but whatever.

Again, I direct you to last summer. Melo SHREDDED the international opposition--he was the best offensive player in that tournament. International teams have absolutely no answer for him. Team USA is actually a perfect setting for him because all he has to do is score--he doesn't have to lead or set the tone for the team.

I love Butler and Pierce by the way. I wish they could have found a spot for Butler on this team, but Pierce is too old to be playing through the summer after playing one of the longest seasons in NBA history.

Nobody on this thread mentions the starting PG? Did you people not watch this year's NBA season?

I know the international boys are not pushovers, but Chris Paul leading this team makes the engine go.

I agree that Kidd is the iffiest choice, but sacrificing one slot for "veteran leadership" isn't so bad. He does have a lot of experience with these int'nl tournaments. Also while he may be the nominal starter, bringing both CP3 and Deron Williams implies that he may not log starter minutes.

I'm happy to see Tayshaun Prince on the squad. Putting him on the team tells me that USA Basketball is thinking the right way. Time for the rest of the world to learn how frustrating it is to have Tayshaun defend you.

Coach K was hired to teach Team USA how to flop. Int'l hoops: if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Any team with Kobe and Lebron on it should do just fine. Carmelo seems to play well internationally. Dwight Howard will take care of business inside. However, the selection of Kidd and Dwayne Wade are baffling. They're games are just not suited to the FIBA style. Neither one is a reliable shooter. Wade's reckless drives might be rewarded in the NBA, but in FIBA he'll be driving into a wall every time, it makes no sense. Kidd's game would be better suited if the team had more spot up shooters he could kick the ball to, but outside of Redd (and maybe Bosh), the shooters on this team create their own shots.

That said, Kobe and LeBron are going to carry this team. Kobe will be trying to redeam himself after the finals and LeBron will be trying to show he can actually win something.

-Williams may be a slightly better shooter, but Paul has to be the starting PG.

-For the record, Prince can guard international 4's AND he can shoot. He can guard 4 positions.

-To suggest putting James on the team is suboptimal is beyond stupid. I know the point he was trying to make, but please...

-Jason Kidd is well past his prime, but he is undefeated in international play. Take that for what its worth

-I know this has been mentioned, but to complain about Carmelo Anthony being on the team means that you didn't watch any of the World's last year. He was the best player in the tournament along with Lebron.

" ... he may be the nominal starter, bringing both CP3 and Deron Williams implies that he may not log starter minutes."

Again, did nobody watch this year's season? Not to mention the Hornets in the playoffs?

CP got MVP votes, which he deserved. All NBA first team, completely deserved? Why under any theory does CP not take the floor the minute the game starts, and get lots of minutes. Kidd won't, and shouldn't, get more than about 12 a game. He's still a fine player, though nowhere near his prime, but he's no longer in the same category as Paul and Williams.

If the US cared about international basketball (it doesn't) the answer would be clear: Play under the same rules as the rest of the world, and call the game the same way. The way Football (soccer) runs its affairs.

The NBA would never allow this, and that's Ok. But going forward, it's going to get harder, not easier, for the US because of the different way the games are played.

The one player that intrigues me when it comes to international play is Rip Hamilton. There are a number of 2's in the league better than he is, but his free-flowing game and ability as a mid-range jump shooter would be deadly in the Olympics, I think. I would take him over Redd. Not as good of a long-range shooter, but I think he'd be very valuable.

However, the selection of Kidd and Dwayne Wade are baffling. They're games are just not suited to the FIBA style. Neither one is a reliable shooter. Wade's reckless drives might be rewarded in the NBA, but in FIBA he'll be driving into a wall every time, it makes no sense.

You know, we don't have to talk about this like it's some sort of hypothetical. Wade played extensively two years ago with the first iteration of this 3-year Team USA program, and absolutely killed it, was one of the leading scorers on the team, shot like 55+% IIRC, racked up assists, had his leadership in the lockeroom explicitly praised by other players and his play overall explicitly praised by Coach K...

But of course, your "analysis" of his game in the NBA is weak enough that its not surprising you have no clue how he'll play in the international game, or that he already has played in the international game and thrived there.

James plays power forward in international ball. He is a phenomenal weapon there.

Stacy:

the problem with Rip is that he relies almost exclusively on off-the-ball movement to get open shots. Now, that's not the worst quality in the world, it's actually a really good talent to have, but TeamUSA only has a limited amount of time to build familiarity with set plays and chemistry and such. Players who are limited to thriving only in situations where they can have plays run for them, in specific, that requires movement and screens from their teammates, are of limited value

Shawn Marion is a career 33% 3-point shooter. He hasn't shot better than 34% since 2003. I really don't think he's the perimeter shooter you're looking for. As somebody mentioned above, Rasheed Wallace would be perfect.

You can't leave LeBron James off of the team, because he's the best player in the world by a comfortable margin. He's also the starting PF on team USA, as Kenny notes, and he's a monster at PF.

Your point about Jason Kidd makes sense, but did you see him last summer? He looked perfect for the team. I think he's a decent choice because a team like this needs somebody who's not looking for his shot.

I understand the "perimeter shooting" argument, but I think a better strategy for Team USA run, run, run. That's your advantage over these other teams -- we can run them off the floor. Imagine Dwight Howard starting the break, Kidd or Paul at the point, and LeBron, Kobe and Melo filling the lanes. That's unstoppable.

Michael,
Yeah, your probably right. I just love his ability to move without the ball. Dude never stops moving. He's gotta be able to run a four minute mile. I guess I just really like his game...

All of the guards on this team except Kidd routinely take and make shots from the FIBA three point distance. The same is true for the small forwards particularly Prince. So, while Michael Redd might be the best distance shooter on this team he is far from the only one.

And what this team has is great speed and open court skills. What the US will try to do is defend and run and force their opponents into an American style up-tempo game. That will succeed against most opponents. When it doesn't, look for pull-up jumpers off the dribble, threes and lobs to the rim.

We'll be fine.

You know, we don't have to talk about this like it's some sort of hypothetical. Wade played extensively two years ago with the first iteration of this 3-year Team USA program, and absolutely killed it, was one of the leading scorers on the team, shot like 55+% IIRC, racked up assists, had his leadership in the lockeroom explicitly praised by other players and his play overall explicitly praised by Coach K...
Sorry, if I touched off a nerve, guess we'll see how he plays this time around. Until than, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I just don't think a slasher, with 28% three-point shooting percentage, coming off 2 seasons where he missed a combined 60 games due to the physical punishement absorbed primarily because of his playing style, is the best choice for this team. He's a very good player, no doubt, but wouldn't be my top choice.

Your=you're

I just violated one of my own pet peeves.

Kevin Martin or Brandon Roy would have been an upgrade over Redd.

I was thinking about Kevin Martin. His defense is a problem but it seems like he'd be a perfect shooter for international play.

Rip Hamilton is a suboptimal choice for a team that doesn't have the time to get into a practiced groove offensively and doesn't get away with moving pics. His game is running around like an idiot w/ big/long bodies screening for him and dropping off balance shots... good luck getting those shots against a good Int'l team with FIBA refs. That style of play as well as the Wade/Ginnobli/Parker drive, travel, and pray you get to the line strategy will fail miserably.

There's no excuse for USA to have any offensive troubles when having James drive 1-on-1 from three into a wall of defenders and having the option to either pull up, lay up, or pop out to Kobe/Paul for three with Howard to clean up if anything misses can lose. I think Pierce would be a huge help at 3 in that regard, but it's hardly necessary if they come up with an offensive plan and stick to it.

Also, it sucks that they don't dress any amateurs on Team USA anymore. Laettner sucks, and was a bad choice, but picking one college star who's at least through their sophomore year would be good for the reputation of the team I think... and could be a good incentive for some star to stick around for a 2nd year in school and make college ball a bit more exciting.

I concede that Rip Hamilton would have difficulty getting all of his shots because they wouldn't be running plays through him, but its not similar at all to Wade/Ginobli/Parker. Rip knocks down 15 footers all day. He doesn't rely on getting to the line like those other guys. The refs have nothing to do with it.

Redd did pretty well off the bench in the FIBA tournament. The zone's they throw at Team USA in international play will give him many open looks, where he is deadly.

This team is well suited for international play, if the FIBA tournament was any indication. Kidd thrived with all of these deadly finishers to pass too. And these international teams are in for a wretched experience when Chris Paul comes into the game. Carmello Anthony won't play anymore defense for Team USA then he did for the Nuggets, but he won't have to. And he was a scoring machine in the FIBA games. He was unguardable.

They should have included forward Jason Maxiell from the Pistons for the bench. He came out of Bob Huggins defense oriented program and can shoot in the big games (re: playoffs and has shut down LeBron). The guy never tires.

Timeout, I threw Rip Hamilton out there, and even that was a stretch. Now you want the Pistons 5th or 6th best player on the Olympic team? Huh?

Not that it matters for the 08 Olympics, but FIBA is finally ditching the trapezoidal lane starting this October. It's also going to the 24-second shot clock, and is moving the 3-point line back about a foot and a half. This might give the NBAers some advantage in coming years.

There's also something about "throw-in lines" being 5 miles from the baseline. Must be a metric thing. (article 2.2.6 in the link)

You're all talking about changes that might result in improving a US squad that should win by fifteen to a US squad that should win by twenty. The US won the bronze last time out with Starbury on the team. Just removing that cancer has to improve the team by one spot, so they're starting off at a minimum of the silver medal.

FYI, Carmelo & Redd were the USA's leading scorers in FIBA play last year.

I hadn't heard that they're ditching the trapezoidal lane and moving the three point line back. This will be a HUGE help for the US in the future. Those rules make FIBA basketball a very different game from NBA basketball, and a lot of the best NBA players have not been able to make the adjustment. Requiring our players to make a three year commitment so our team can gain experience in that environment is huge.

Those of you that are baffled why Jason Kidd is on the team, did you want any of the games last summer? The team was about 3 times more effective (and that is not an exagerration) with Kidd on the floor than either Billups or Williams. Granted Williams has gotten better, but Kidd is perfect for this type of team. Not only is he excellent at running point, he honestly does not care if he even gets a basket.

he honestly does not care if he even gets a basket

That's good, because it appears to be outside his ability at this stage of his career.

SCMT,

Ouch.

Does Prince have FIBA range?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGMtbucFD0

yeah, after looking at last summer's results, we have nothing to worry about... Beating Argentina (who won gold in Athens) by 37 in the title game was Dream Team-esque...

Not a lot of respect for Lebron among some of the commenters here...Lebron surrounded by stars on the USA team is very different from Lebron surrounded by scrubs on the Cavaliers. He fits his game in and makes much better decisions when he trusts his teammates.

Kidd is one of the few players who is both respected and liked around the league. He is there to make them a team in practice. There wil be very little of it, so it is desireable that it go as smoothly as possible.

A small drop in talent at one position in a player who will play few minutes isn't a big price to pay if this works out.

I concede that Rip Hamilton would have difficulty getting all of his shots because they wouldn't be running plays through him, but its not similar at all to Wade/Ginobli/Parker.

Sorry; my point was that Hamilton's game (sort of like Ray Allen's rolling off Garnett I guess? can't think of any direct Rip analogs who are that fast and shoot that well from medium range) translates as poorly to FIBA ball as the Wade/Ginobli run-and-dive, not that they're remotely similar.

They have little outside shooting even with the 3 point line being closer. I still think they will win, but that will be their achilles heel. I would have swapped out Kidd for another gunner.

They have little outside shooting even with the 3 point line being closer. I still think they will win, but shooting will be their achilles heel. I would have swapped out Kidd for another gunner.


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