Father's Day

One is accustomed to Barack Obama giving good speeches, and his father's day address is no different. This one will, I expect, be a pretty big hit politically, too, since it has certain conservativish resonances about the centrality of family conditions to our social problems.

The New York Times remarks that "Obama laid out his case in stark terms that would be difficult for a white candidate to make" which is doubtless true. Nevertheless, it's worth pointing out that while the level of single-parent households is lower in white families than in black ones, the trend is toward increase and has been for some time. The sorts of problems stereotypically associated with black families, in short, are becoming more and more common across the demographic spectrum.

Comments

He mentions that kids without fathers are more likely to end up in jail, but he doesn't mention how many of those fathers aren't around because they're in jail. I don't expect him to, but I'm still disappointed.

Posted by phil | June 15, 2008 5:09 PM

When is Senator Obama going to stop lying about his Muslim background?

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
By Israel Insider staff June 13, 2008


Malik holds a photo of Obama and him in Muslim dress, reportedly when the two first met in 1985

Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have been reading those scurrilous emails to which Barack likes to refer, because they have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.

As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."

The Obama brothers' father, a senior economist for the Kenyan government who studied at Harvard University, died in car crash in 1982. He left six sons and a daughter. All of his children - except Malik -- live in Britain or the United States. Malik and Barack met in 1985.

In a remarkable denial issued last November that still stands on the official campaign website, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs issued a statement explaining that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Apparently Malik Obama, himself a Muslim, had not read the press release.

Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).

Reuven Koret, Aaron Klein and Daniel Pipes have previously pointed to the attempts by Obama and his campaign to conceal the candidate's Muslim background. The well documented evidence draws upon the on-the-ground interviews by researchers in Indonesia and Kenya, published quotations of Obama's childhood friends and his school records, as well as the candidate's own autobiography.

It is not clear whether Barack Obama will now disown his half-brother Malik, or throw him under the campaign bus, for acknowledging that shared family background. In any case, some one should notify "Fight the Smear" tout de suite. Perhaps they can get him with the program. "

Posted by SLC | June 15, 2008 5:09 PM

Why do I suspect that Barack Obama's solution to the problem of fatherless children is to abort them away?

The challenge isn't how to reduce the incidence of single parenthood, it's how to combine that with reducing the abortion rate and creating a culture of life. If Barack Obama can do that, he may have earned my vote. If not, then he hasn't.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 5:10 PM

SLC Fucks Goats
by Israel Insider staff June 13, 2008.

Posted by pseudonymous in nc | June 15, 2008 5:17 PM

Re: Trend for whites on single parenthood..... True only for less-educated whites. College-educated whites have been hardly touched by the family changes since the 1960s.

Posted by CSF | June 15, 2008 5:19 PM

As a parent, it makes sense to me that people should not have kids if they don't want to stay around to help raise them. I can't imagine not being there for my kids.

Posted by Beth in VA | June 15, 2008 5:30 PM

I've seen better comment threads on Youtube, honestly.

Posted by JH | June 15, 2008 5:35 PM

My god, SLC must be joking. Read the article. Read it again. There is nothing there. No new "evidence" of anything is offered. Bullsh*t about how "Islam is patrilineal". And references to sources such as "Melanie Phillips" possessing weapons of "massive" information.

Mr. Hama Rules must have read it, and seen that it shows nothing.

There is nothing new in pointing out where he registered for schools, or if he can recite Koran verses or calls in Arabic -- I can do that, or at least, have been able to in the past, so, what, I'm now "Muslim"?

This is sad and pathetic, except, I encouraged deranged anti-Muslim freaks like SLC to please, please bring it on, bring it all on, throw every last ounce you've got into it, every bit of sh*t you can scrape off of any old shoe you've got out by the garden, and fling it all at Obama, because I want to watch you lose.

Posted by El Cid | June 15, 2008 5:38 PM

Barack's support for gay marriage will only contribute further to the epidemic of fatherlessness. If you can have marriage without even the possibility of children then you can have children without the possibility of marriage.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 5:44 PM

Hector,

If you can have marriage without even the possibility of children then you can have children without the possibility of marriage.

What you said is non sequitur. In any case, not sure how this is relevant. Any single woman now can go to a sperm bank and have a child.

Posted by MS | June 15, 2008 5:52 PM

"If you can have marriage without even the possibility of children then you can have children without the possibility of marriage."

And I'm sure you'll be at the forefront of the movement calling for the end of marriage for infertile couples and post-menopausal women.

Posted by TheF79 | June 15, 2008 5:53 PM

If you can have marriage without even the possibility of children then you can have children without the possibility of marriage.

What is this "If" nonsense? Since when have either of those assertions ever not been true? Has there ever been a time in history in which marriages "without even the possibility of children" [meaning naturally born to one of the two individuals] or "children without the possibility of marriage" did not exist?

Be careful though, y'all: engage Hector with this and it's a straight line to demographic rants about how the danged Ay-rabbs and Moozlims is taken over Yurp and how Franco would have been ashamed of today's Spain and how we'd all be better off if we could just send the U.S.S. Nimitz back in time to help the Crusades kill teh Mooozlims.

Posted by El Cid | June 15, 2008 6:01 PM

pseudonymous in nc,

I realize this is a strange question, but I'm extremely anxious to learn who you were referring to as Bobbitt here, and why.

Posted by 23456 | June 15, 2008 6:06 PM

As a single white female who is raising three children by myself, struggling, and having had to neglect them to a certain degree because of having to go to school, work two jobs,etc. etc, I can say that the presence of fathers in the home (or at least of another adult in the house to help with raising the kids) is important. Mine have suffered both the lack of a father figure, and the exhaustion and neglect they've had because I've been too busy trying to make a living in order to feed and shelter them.

Posted by cnnr | June 15, 2008 6:25 PM

SLC: first of all, who in hell would take what that utter whacko Daniel Pipes says as gospel truth?

Secondly,

oh forget it, people like you can't and won't listen. I'm wasting my breath.

Posted by ccnr | June 15, 2008 6:28 PM

If you can have myxomatosis without even the possibility of desk lamps then you can have desk lamps without even the possibility of myxomatosis!

Posted by lampwick | June 15, 2008 6:32 PM

"Barack's support for gay marriage will only contribute further to the epidemic of fatherlessness. If you can have marriage without even the possibility of children then you can have children without the possibility of marriage.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 5:44 PM"

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Posted by Reality Man | June 15, 2008 6:38 PM

I love the way this works. Obama gives a speech in a church, and Matt develops a man-crush. Let a Republican give a speech of any kind in a church, and Matt gets apoplectic about a mixing of church and state.

Posted by James Robertson | June 15, 2008 6:38 PM

Wait...He almost makes it sound like there are "family" issues beyond: overturning Roe/Wade, banning gay-marriage and censoring music/movies/video games. Inconceivable.

Posted by Uncle Ebeneezer | June 15, 2008 6:57 PM

Re pseudonymous in nc

Mr. pseudonymous fucks Richard Steven Hack.

Re El Cid

Since Mr. El Cid mentioned Melanie Philips, here she is.

"Obama takes on the Great Global Blogosphere Conspiracy Against His Holiness
By Melanie Phillips June 13, 2008

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Today's Guardian reports that Barack Obama is setting up an entire unit to combat "virulent rumours" about him on the internet. Doubtless one of the blogs in the sights of team Obama is Little Green Footballs, which in the last few days has been excavating examples of wildly anti-Jewish and anti-American prejudice and conspiracy theories posted up by fans on Obama's own website. LGF is making hay with the fact that the Obamanables are belatedly taking (some of) this stuff down from the site while simultaneously insisting that its presence is nothing to do with them because the website has no moderators. Yeah, right.
The Guardian quotes the director of some monitoring outfit as saying that the blogosphere's smears about Obama are particularly vicious.

He added that one of the most persistent is that Obama, a Christian, is "some kind of Muslim Manchurian candidate, planted by Islamic fundamentalists to betray the country and it is very widespread".

Well now. Crazed Jew-hating American-loathing moonbats posting comments on Obama's website are one thing. But the fact is that there are serious and troubling questions about Obama's ancestry and associations and what he himself has said about them, which have surfaced in the blogosphere but have been almost wholly ignored by the mainstream media in its collective Obamanic swoon.

First is his childhood background. Last November, his campaign website carried a statement with the headline:

Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim

followed by

Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.

Obama has also said:

I've always been a Christian

and

I've never practised Islam.
But none of this is true. As is explored in detail on Daniel Pipes's website, Obama was enrolled at his primary schools in Indonesia as a Muslim; he attended the mosque during that period; his friends from that time testify that he was a devout Muslim boy. A former teacher at one of these schools, Tine Hahiyary, remembers a young Obama who was quite religious and actively took part in "mengaji" classes which teach how to read the Koran in Arabic. The blogger from Indonesia who reported this commented:

"Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, "mengaji classes" are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to... The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet.

His father was a Muslim, as was his stepfather. His grandfather was a Muslim convert. His wider family appear to have been largely devout Muslims. Yes, we only know about Obama?s early years as a Muslim; and yes, twenty years ago he became a Christian. The issue, however, is why he has been less than candid about his early background and his family. Indeed, he appears to have actively deceived the public about it. That is why the blogosphere is so exercised about it.

Now here's another curious thing. Much has been made of his membership of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago whose former pastor and his long-standing mentor, Jeremiah Wright, Obama was forced finally to renounce on account of his obnoxious views (although he has signally failed unequivocally to denounce those views themselves and the no less obnoxious philosophy of the Trinity United black power church). But according to a passing reference in a profile in The New Republic last year, Pastor Wright was himself a Muslim convert to Christianity. He seems to have moved from being a Muslim black power fanatic to a Christian black power fanatic -- which might go some way to explaining his close affinity to the Muslim black power ideologue Louis Farrakhan.

Then there is also Obama's troubling support for the Kenyan opposition leader -- and his cousin -- Raila Odinga, the leader of the violent uprising a few months ago against the newly elected Kenyan government and who signed a memorandum of understanding with Kenyan Muslims to turn Kenya into an Islamic state governed by sharia law. At the time, the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Odinga

comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law for all Kenyans.
As the Atlas Shrugs site reported, Obama actually went to Kenya in 2006 and spoke at rallies in support of Odinga, causing the Kenyan government to denounce him as "Raila's stooge". Why was Obama supporting such a person? Why has no-one bothered to find out?

Daniel Pipes makes another highly significant point about Obama's Muslim background. He points out that, in the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama remains a Muslim regardless of what religion he now professes because he was born to a Muslim father. By his own admission (of Christianity) therefore, he is a Muslim apostate -- a status regarded by the Muslim world as a sin to be punished by death. Pipes thinks this would put his life in danger and undermine his initiatives towards the Muslim world. But surely the more significant point is that much of that Muslim world has actually embraced him. Indeed the Muslim Brothers of Hamas -- who most certainly would regard any Muslim apostate as someone to be eliminated -- actually came out publicly in support of him (until Obama blotted his copybook by professing undying support for Israel).

We are entitled therefore to ask whether the Muslim world supports him because it believes he is still a Muslim. We are entitled to ask precisely when he stopped being a Muslim, and why. Did Obama embrace Christianity as a tactical manoeuvre to get himself elected? Why indeed has he dissembled about his family background if not for that end?

These multiple known deceptions by someone who may become President of the United States are deeply alarming. The concealment is the issue. To dismiss such concerns and the related questions they provoke as a smear campaign is to attempt to browbeat into silence those who legitimately raise them and require urgent answers as a matter of the most acute public interest."

Posted by SLC | June 15, 2008 7:09 PM

SLC,

That article by Phillips is a pile of shite.

Posted by Micheline | June 15, 2008 7:34 PM

SLC,

Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, the Anglican prelate of Rochester (England) is of Muslim descent and was born a Muslim in a Muslim country. Yet no one has done more to fight the creeping Islamization of England than he. Nazir-Ali has called for the Church of England to evangelize to Muslims, has warned of the dangers of Shariah law, and has warned that only a revitalized Christianity can prevent Islam from occupying the vacuum of secular materialism. For you to criticize a man just because he was born a Muslim is unfair. Barack Obama is no more a Muslim than St. Paul towards the end of his life was a Jew.

TheF79,

The aforementioned Bishop Nazir-Ali has, among other things, said that childbirth is an essential good of marriage and not an optional extra.

El Cid,

The point is that when we no longer think of marriage as a special condition protected and valorized by the state in part because it is good for children, then we make it more acceptable and popular to have children outside the context of committed monogamous relationshiops. I stand by what I have said.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 7:52 PM

Re Hector

Would Mr. Hector care to comment on Vice President Chaneys' lesbian daughter having a child, presumably by artificial insemination? For all we know, the sperm donor could be a brother or close relative of her partner.

Posted by SLC | June 15, 2008 8:19 PM

I'm a little disturbed by Obama's comment, but I don't disagree with it.

I think it would be good to say after he becomes the President, and has that additional moral authority behind him, but now-- while he's waiting to get elected-- it's going to make a lot of people think of racist stereotypes of black men at a time when Barack's subtext should be "A black man can do this job, and now is a time for understanding and healing between whites and blacks, not stereotypes."

Posted by Swan | June 15, 2008 8:41 PM

James Robertson, I seem to remember MY talking about how it's hypocritical of Democrats to speak in black churches and then complain about Republicans speaking in churches as well. In particular IIRC, he called out Chuck Schumer for this. What's it like to have your entire worldview based on strawmen and stereotypes?

Posted by Reality Man | June 15, 2008 9:01 PM

Seriously, can't we have a holiday without this 'Black men are shitty parents and are really just little boys' schtick? How would some of the people who love to push this load of horseshit feel if we spent mother's day talking about abortion, women who dump their babies into trashcans, or drown their babies in bath tubs?

Posted by soullite | June 15, 2008 9:04 PM

"Nevertheless, it's worth pointing out that while the level of single-parent households is lower in white families than in black ones, the trend is toward increase and has been for some time."

This goes for hispanic families as well. Their rate is now up to 49.9%.

Posted by scottynx | June 15, 2008 9:06 PM

warrants mention that Obama know whereof he speaks.

Posted by David B. | June 15, 2008 9:07 PM

Swan, I see your point. On the other hand, it might be better - both better politically and more responsible morally - for Obama to use his unique position to speak openly about problems in the black community, but speaking both as a member of that community who loves it and wants to improve it and as an American in general. It lets black people, especially black women, know that he does understand their concerns, having had his dad leave him behind as well. It also lets white people know he isn't going to be another (GOP caricature of) Al Sharpton yelling "racism" at everything.

Posted by Reality Man | June 15, 2008 9:08 PM

My god, SLC:

So on the word of a blogger hypothesizing that an 80 year old teacher who was NOT BARACK OBAMA'S TEACHER remembering a young Barack Obama would not ever use the word "mengaji" to describe children enrolled in schools learning to recite Qur'aanic verses as part of their curriculum in Indonesia if they weren't somehow devout Muslims (which children are not so considered even in Muslim society), in an officially Muslim society, you and the paranoid nutbags floating around the loathsomely ridiculous Daniel Pipes think they have solved some sort of a mystery?

...we managed to succeed in investigating his teacher who had held the office of the principal named Tine Hahiyary (1971-1989). "At that time, I was not Barry's teacher but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is currently 80 years old. The teacher who taught him was named Hendri but he has died.

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-5.html

Is this the best you got? Grand theorizing based on second hand interpretations of recollections of Barack Obama in primary school?

You are one seriously paranoid, ridiculous, anti-Muslim freak.

Is this really the sh*t you and your crazy friends pass around, and nod sagely and sadly stroke your chin at how your valiant efforts to save humanity from itself are somehow going unappreciated? You lazy sh*ts assume that everyone will keep on forwarding around the same inane panty-sniffing and no one will ever go read the source material all you nuts are citing.

But then, you were the genius trying to snarkily condemn Edward Said for 'lying' about being born in Jerusalem, when he was, and then you tried shifting around your interpretations of what you really meant by that.

Posted by El Cid | June 15, 2008 9:19 PM

SLC is nasty, filth and he enjoys being such. I quit quite some time ago trying to communicate with it because it gets off on rubbing your nose in what an old, unreconstructed, bigot he is. It'll die soon and everyone will be the better for it and talking to it just encourages it.

Posted by Ed Marshall | June 15, 2008 10:10 PM

Why is anybody spending any effort arguing with SLC and Hector's way-past-their-sell-date nonsense? History is passing them by already, there's no need to argue with the old men grumbling about getting off their lawn.

Posted by Doug H. (Fausto no more) | June 15, 2008 10:28 PM

Doug H.,

I'm 27. DOn't really think that counts as old. History will absolve me, and the day will come when abortion is universally seen as wrong.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 10:48 PM

SLC Discovered In Goat-Mad Mel Threesome
by Israel Insider staff June 15, 2008

Posted by pseudonymous in nc | June 15, 2008 10:48 PM

Matt writes:

"The sorts of problems stereotypically associated with black families, in short, are becoming more and more common across the demographic spectrum."

Correct. This is especially true among Hispanics, for whom the illegitimacy rate increased from 19% in 1980 to 50% in 2006. Illegitimacy is higher among American-born Hispanics than among immigrants, as Hispanics assimilate toward African American norms.

Among blacks, the out-of-wedlock birth percentage in 2006 was 71%, among whites 27%, and it was lowest of all among Asian Americans.

In 2006, the number of babies born to unwed mothers increased 7.6% compared to only 0.5% for married mothers. For as of yet unexplained reasons, 2006 was a demographic disaster. (The 2007 data aren't available yet.)

For more, see
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/071209_births.htm

Posted by Steve Sailer | June 15, 2008 11:26 PM

Having read the whole thing ... there goes the 8th-grade-only vote!

Posted by DTM | June 15, 2008 11:31 PM

Mr. Sailer,

I'm not sure that the rate for Hispanics can be directly compared to black and white Americans. There is a fairly long tradition of common law marriage and cohabitation in the Central American and Caribbean countries- a couple may be unmarried without it really being what we would call single parenthood. I think a more informative statistic would be how many Hispanic mothers are not living with the mother of their child.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 11:59 PM

"I'm 27. DOn't really think that counts as old. History will absolve me, and the day will come when abortion is universally seen as wrong.

Posted by Hector | June 15, 2008 10:48 PM"

That type of thinking worked out great for Trotsky, didn't it? ... at least before he got an ice pick to the back of the head. This is up there with Sideshow Bob yelling "You will live to regret this!... Great, now I look insane." Are you sure you don't post here to parody Christians?

History will absolve me, and the day will come when Buffy is universally seen as the greatest show in history.

Posted by Reality Man | June 16, 2008 12:05 AM

Er, Reality Man, young people today are more pro-life than their elders. (As women are more pro-life than men.) Look at a poll for once.

Posted by Hector | June 16, 2008 12:21 AM

Let a Republican give a speech of any kind in a church, and Matt gets apoplectic about a mixing of church and state.

Do you have any examples of that happening, or is it just something you made up. I can't recall ever objecting to a Republican giving a speech in a church. Indeed, I'm not really one to get too touchy about church/state issues.

Posted by Matthew Yglesias | June 16, 2008 12:33 AM

Hector: "I think a more informative statistic would be how many Hispanic mothers are not living with the mother [I think you meant father] of their child."

http://www.squidoo.com/singleparentfamily

Single Parent Family Statistics by Race
From the US Census Bureau 2005 Data

50% of African American children live in single parent families headed by the mother

25% of Hispanic kids live with a single mother

16% of non-Hispanic white children reside with a single mom

10% of Asian kids live with a single mother

4-5% of children of all races live with a single father

Posted by Susan | June 16, 2008 12:37 AM

The polling data I have seen suggests the youngest age cohorts still have solid majorities against making it more difficult for women to get abortions. Basically what has happened is the populace has become more or less uniform on this issue, with no substantial age differences.

In contrast, younger people are considerably more in favor of gay marriage than older people.

So, I think Hector may be waiting a long time for history to come around.

Posted by DTM | June 16, 2008 12:54 AM

That is amazing that the out-of-wedlock rate for whites is 27%. I am white, and would have thought it was still a little more taboo. I feel like I am a pretty enlightened guy, but even discounting the religious implications, I feel like if I was in that situation I'd feel like I was really doing something wrong and cheating my kids by having them brought into the world bastards.

I'm not saying people should be made to feel like that or anything absent some other wrong they did I guess, but at the same time it seems like having a kid is something you should really be responsible about and take seriously and do in a planned way. So if someone is going to raise a bastard, I guess I feel like they should have a pretty good excuse, like they just don't believe in marriage at all or are convinced they could never find someone they'd want to marry-- but they still really want to have a kid. Again, I wouldn't be seeking to judge somebody myself and give them a hard time for this, but it just seems kind of wrong if you just get hit with a kid, like a person gets hit with bird-droppings, instead of making sure you're doing what your doing exactly right (which seems like it should, a lot of the time, include finding a co-parent who you are totally committed to, and who you are convinced it totally committed to you and to having and raising your kid-- someone you would marry).

I don't mean to be shitting on anybody or sounding like I'm advocating for something here, I'm just remarking about it because it surprises me how much our society is changing.

Posted by Swan | June 16, 2008 1:39 AM

Oh Jeebus. One freak channels known neocon liar Pipes, another cites stats from well-recognized racist site, www.vdare.kkkom and a third preaches the wrongness of abortion with all the moral authority a 27 year old can muster, channeling God.

Is anybody on topic here or has there been a fresh release from the whackadoodle rubber room? Just like Jehovah's Waitresses, these folks feel compelled to annoy the living shit out of everybody just to prove beyond any doubt that they can annoy the living shit out of others. Hell, they've raised it to an art form.

Normal discussion and reasoned debate clearly is beyond their capacities. They've convinced no one of anything beyond their own shortcomings.

If they're the result of fatherly upbringing, Obama has just been proven wrong.

Posted by Kevin Hayden | June 16, 2008 1:42 AM

I'm not saying I would never have a child out of wedlock, either. It's just that I think I might not do it or would feel wrong about it unless something happened like I found myself in a situation with some woman where we had an accident, but wanted to keep the kid, or we both really felt like we didn't want to get married for some good reason (disenchantment with the institution, I imagine), but at the same time we were pretty sure we were going to stick with each other and do what it took to raise a kid properly.

Posted by Swan | June 16, 2008 1:44 AM

[quote]"I love the way this works. Obama gives a speech in a church, and Matt develops a man-crush. Let a Republican give a speech of any kind in a church, and Matt gets apoplectic about a mixing of church and state."[/quote]

James couldn't be more right.

Posted by Brian G. | June 16, 2008 3:04 AM

"Er, Reality Man, young people today are more pro-life than their elders. (As women are more pro-life than men.) Look at a poll for once.

Posted by Hector | June 16, 2008 12:21 AM"

Moving a smidgen in one direction in a single nation is not the inevitable march of history. Do you even know what a poll of this sort is supposed to show? Mark Penn's polling has shown an increase in the number of young people who want to be snipers when they grow up. At this rate, 100% of Americans will be snipers!

Posted by Reality Man | June 16, 2008 4:30 AM

MY - The sorts of problems stereotypically associated with black families, in short, are becoming more and more common across the demographic spectrum.

'Fraid MY's wrong, but nice shot at PC Dogma!

As hispanics become 2nd, 3rd Gen and their marriage rates fall - they have followed the black pattern of welfare, low educational drive, and towards more violent felony crime. (Blacks are 33 times more likely to engage in violent felony assault, 7 times more likely to rape) No other race comes close to their dysfunctions even with the rise in out-of-wedlock births.

In fact, the white murder rate has fallen in the last 30 years. We are now at 4.6 white murderers per 100,000 whites. That is comparable to Switzerland and France. The black rate is 33.4 murderers, better than seven-fold the white number.
Asians are the best-behaved. Their violent crime rate is 66 times lower than blacks.

A key difference is that many single white moms cohabit with their kid's father, and most are not on welfare any length of time....and many whites marry someone later. White kids have better stability, no sense of entitlement to other people's money, and a majority have a male adult role model. Both white biological parents, like Asians, are much more concerned about their kid's education.

Black woman approach being "single moms" way different. They are "strong and independent"(except the state and Fed goodies part of their lives) and don't need no worthless rolling stone man unless it's time to pick one for another kid they want. And so they descend back down to savagery because of welfare's dependency and blacks natural aggressive, impulsive tendencies.

The white decline in marriage and out-of-wedlock births will likely not trigger any social catastrophy. Sweden now has less than 55% of women marry and 56% of children are born outside marriage. But the white Swedes are better educated, have more "stable households", chisel less welfare, commit less crime than even American white people.

Whereas the out of control behaviors in certain cities like New Orleans, Philly, Kinshasha Zaire, Mogadishu, and Harare Zimbabwe suggests blacks can descend further unless they end their denial. Blacks globally must admit they have a huge problem, and start trying to fix it by putting ONE and and ONE woman in the same house to raise kids and discourage violent, anti-education behavior in their kids...

Posted by chris ford | June 16, 2008 4:33 AM

It doesn't take much to lure the neo-Confederate Jew-fearing dude out to speculate about "savages" and "savagery" again.

But at least now he's recognizing, intermittently and inconsistently, that socioeconomic factors predict & shape integration. He just so far feels that improvements in nation-wide socio-economic features can help whites but cannot help blacks. The end.

The white decline in marriage and out-of-wedlock births will likely not trigger any social catastrophy. Sweden now has less than 55% of women marry and 56% of children are born outside marriage. But the white Swedes are better educated, have more "stable households", chisel less welfare, commit less crime than even American white people.

Whereas the out of control behaviors in certain cities like New Orleans, Philly, Kinshasha Zaire, Mogadishu, and Harare Zimbabwe suggests blacks can descend further unless they end their denial. Blacks globally must admit they have a huge problem, and start trying to fix it by putting ONE [man] and and ONE woman in the same house to raise kids and discourage violent, anti-education behavior in their kids...

Posted by El Cid | June 16, 2008 5:36 AM

c. ford, there's a eugenics drive in Provo going on now. word has it that white guys with lockjaw are welcome. look, if you want to hump Oprah and raise a family with her instead - that's understandable. from that lofty sinecure - you could really make hay with your well-researched policy prescriptions.

Posted by Trevor | June 16, 2008 5:36 AM

Bill Cosby for VP?

Posted by aleks | June 16, 2008 5:55 AM

I need a shower after reading these comments by SLC, Sailer and Ford. This is horrible. Why are these people commenting on MY’s blog anyway? Is there a "friends of KKK" blog they could take their sorry asses to?

Posted by Rum raisin | June 16, 2008 8:32 AM

Re: Just like Jehovah's Waitresses, these folks feel compelled to annoy the living shit out of everybody just to prove beyond any doubt that they can annoy the living shit out of others. Hell, they've raised it to an art form.

Kevin,

Unfortunatley, what "annoys the living s--t" out of you isn't me. It's the pricking of your own conscience which tells you that abortion is wrong. The reason you're annoyed at me may be because deep down you fear I might be right. As it's said in Romans, the moral law is written on each of our hearts.

Mr. Swan's comments are a great example of this. Mr. Swan evidently has a well formed conscience and knows instinctively that it would not be right to knock a girl up and then abandon her. Yet something prevents him from calling this "morally wrong"- he says he's 'not advocating for this' for others even as he clearly feels that it is "personally" wrong for himself. Mr. Swan is a perfect example of the modern man whose well-formed conscience is trapped by the cage of 'tolerance' and prevented from expressing itself by the crushing fear of seeming to be 'intolerant', 'old-fashioned', or so forth. The phrases "repressive tolerance" and even better, as Pope Benedict has said, "the dictatorship of relativism" are tailor made for a situation like these. If you wish to see the jackboot of the Dictatorship of Relativism crushing humanity beneath its iron heel, one need look no further than this thread.

Posted by Hector | June 16, 2008 4:23 PM

Re: Sweden now has less than 55% of women marry and 56% of children are born outside marriage.

This is deceptive. There are few single-parent households in Sweden. Seeing marriage as a mainly religious rite, many Swedes do not bother with it. However children are usually raised in households with both parents in residence in the equivalent of a common law marriage.

Posted by JonF | June 16, 2008 9:58 PM

Re Hector

One really has to look with askance at Mr. Hectors' invocation of Pope Joe the rat as a symbol of moral purity. Joe the rat, when he was a mere cardinal, actively participated in the coverup of the choir boy rapes by gay priests. He should have been arrested during his recent visit to the US and put on trial as an accessory after the fact, in addition to obstruction of justice charges.

Posted by SLC | June 17, 2008 8:56 AM

Unfortunatley, what "annoys the living s--t" out of you isn't me. It's the pricking of your own conscience which tells you that abortion is wrong.

Posted by Hector

No. I sat back, reconsidered, and, yeah, it's still you.

Posted by El Cid | June 17, 2008 9:12 AM

What's amazing is how the "8th Grade Graduation" mentality has infected all parts of our society -- white, black, brown, Asian. Every kid is a genius. Every kid is an award winner. Check out my commentary at http://eclecticdialectics.blogspot.com/2008/06/8th-grade-pomp-circumstance.html.

Posted by The Eclecticist | June 20, 2008 8:12 AM

What's amazing is how the "8th Grade Graduation" mentality has infected all parts of our society -- white, black, brown, Asian. Every kid is a genius. Every kid is an award winner. Check out my commentary at http://eclecticdialectics.blogspot.com/2008/06/8th-grade-pomp-circumstance.html.

Posted by The Eclecticist | June 20, 2008 8:15 AM