Dana Goldstein reports on institutional feminism gearing up to support Barack Obama against John McCain. At a time when simply pointing out that McCain thinks abortion should be illegal and Barack Obama doesn't produces a substantial swing in Obama's favor, I'd say it should be possible for these groups to accomplish a lot.
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Feminists for Obama
18 Jun 2008 11:44 am
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I think McCain's purported support for embryonic stem-cell research makes things even worse for him, in feminist terms. To McCain:
+ Embryo inside a woman's body: force the woman to carry it.
+ Embryo outside of a woman's body: Pharmaceutical companies can kill it and extract the money-producing attributes that may enable McCain to live a few more years.
Mavericky!
Makes you think that at least some of the angry denunciations of Obama on behalf of "Hillary supporters" that one finds on various websites are fakes, written by McCain supporters either trying to sow discord or trying to steer Obama toward making Hillary the VP pick, which they know would be unpopular among independent voters.
Makes you think that at least some of the angry denunciations of Obama on behalf of "Hillary supporters" that one finds on various websites are fakes, written by McCain supporters either trying to sow discord or trying to steer Obama toward making Hillary the VP pick, which they know would be unpopular among independent voters.
I'm pro-choice, but admit I find the "Oh yeah? Well, McCain would overturn Roe v Wade! End of argument!" rebuttals lacking--to be female does not mean one has to be pro-choice and certainly not that abortion is the sole issue a woman cares about. While I grant a lot of the remaining "angry women" are dissent sowers or deeply embarrassing (like the woman who tries to keep Jefferson descendant reunions racially pure), I wish engaging them would span more issues.
Then again, when you try sometimes they go for the "this isn't rational and issues-based, it's emotional" response, landing them in the latter category.
While I grant a lot of the remaining "angry women" are dissent sowers or deeply embarrassing (like the woman who tries to keep Jefferson descendant reunions racially pure), I wish engaging them would span more issues.
Indeed. There are a whole host of women's and family issues that Obama looks better than McCain on.
Well that's nice to hear after what I read this morning.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/letters/la-le-wednesday18-2008jun18,0,5723653.story?page=2
Re "Women lining up behind Obama," June 16
It is amusing and irritating that this article made the front page. Women are supposedly "lining up," no less, behind Barack Obama. That's right, we've waited for a superior, capable and experienced woman to support wholeheartedly, and then we toss our dreams and what we believe is the answer to our country's dilemma aside and line up behind an inexperienced intern for president. Wow! Isn't that just like a woman?
There are many Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters who are weighing options, and none of those options include Obama. We can boycott voting, change parties, write Clinton in or, if we must, vote for John McCain.
The Democratic National Committee and the bulk of the Democratic Party haven't listened to the people for years. They're not the only game in town.
Janine Jones
West Hollywood
I'm not sure about your poll, but I know lots of women who will not vote for Obama, unless Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. We will vote for McCain.
What is the thinking behind this? It's simple: Clinton 2012.
Sue Lear
Santa Ana
Obama wisely downplays abortion in his speeches. Many Democrats - esp activist liberals - do not understand abortion politics and they don't know many pro lifers, so they are always surprised when the GOP is able to use the abortion issue to their advantage.
Most Republicans who claim to be pro life care little about abortion and most pro choice Republicans know that.
But they use the issue to drive a wedge between various Dem and Ind factions.
Obama is hip to all this.
Janine Jones of West Hollywood needs to learn the difference between an intern and a fuckin' U.S. Senator.
Adam, Janine Jones of West Hollywood is probably a paid Rethuglican troll, parroting the talking points she's picked up.
At least that's what I tell myself to preserve my shaky sanity.
Persia, I hate to do this to your fragile sanity, but... google her name with (and without) Hillary.
And the invoice that don't quite fit
There's no payola in the alphabetical file
As a human being I admire Hillary but I truly detested her approach to foreign policy, and to other issues where she uses bluff rather than relying on her record. (like the shots on the tarmac--why go to that extreme?)
Obama also is bluffing constantly-he's mr. bravado, and mr. tight message.
Some of his statements are only not ridiculous because McCain's are even worse-and probably a lot more true--i.e. the 100 year war; the Supreme Court's habeus corpus decision was "worst ever"
Where is this guy from? And how many John McCains are THERE????? Anyone over 25 is like what the hxxx happened to the straight talk
Are women maybe not as worried because for a lot longer he was actually pro-choice and kind of ok for women? If he was independent for 1/3 of his career and neocon for 1/4 what does that make him??? Where is the NYT article on the 14 different mcains with different pictures-
While both Clinton and Obama are ok on a lot of issues, and bad on others -- I am terrified of JM. Which one will we get???
What all of us should do is a. make sure JM is NOT elected and then b. change the system -- for real. HOW????????????????????????? And if we take a breath and figure that out JM might win...that's the sticky part -- off the internet, into real life!!
1. Obama and Clinton are both somewhat bad
but
2. What about how bad McCain is. Which McCain?
prochoice M? prolife M? antitorture M? prowar M? WHICH???
3. We have to beat McCain then figure out how to change things--??? I don't know the answer but I do know to beat JM, I have to
4. get off the internet and into real life
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Heads in the Sand
And it is not just that McCain is bad on the relevant issues--Obama is pretty good on them. In that sense, Obama's problem with certain second wave feminists in the primaries was not really driven by his positions, but rather by the fact that he was competing for the nomination with Clinton.
Posted by DTM | June 18, 2008 12:04 PM