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McCain Hearts Rich People

12 Jun 2008 08:03 am

This kind of reporting from Deborah Solomon at The Wall Street Journal is the kind of thing we're going to miss when Rupert Murdoch gets around to destroying the paper:

Both John McCain and Barack Obama promise to cut taxes for the majority of Americans. But an Obama administration would redistribute income toward lower- and middle-class households, while a McCain White House would steer the bulk of the benefits to the wealthiest families, according to a nonpartisan analysis of the still-evolving tax plans of the presidential candidates.

What's more, the story's not in the tank for Obama, either, correctly noting that his tax proposals, though better in distributive terms, are also kind of bad:

Both plans risk causing more economic damage than improvement, according to the detailed study by the Washington-based Tax Policy Center. While some of Sen. McCain's tax cuts could lift economic activity, the "adverse effects of the resulting increased deficits may make the net effect of the plan economically harmful," the report says. Sen. Obama's plan similarly "would substantially increase the deficit" and could create "additional complexity" to the tax code by offering a range of targeted breaks.

Here's a link to the Tax Policy Center's analysis. Long story short, both candidates have deficit-increasing proposals that will likely reduce economic growth. But McCain's take a bigger hole out of the budget and the benefits are much more concentrated among the wealthiest Americans.

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I personally wish Obama's proposal was even more fiscally responsible, but I do think it is important to note that when you score the plans using a "current policy" versus "current law" baseline (meaning you assume the baseline is the current tax structure continuing indefinitely, as opposed to assuming all the various sunsets take effect), Obama's plan does in fact raise revenues, whereas McCain's plan decreases revenues (specifically, "Against current policy, Senator Obama's proposals would raise $700 billion, an increase of 2 percent, and Senator McCain's proposals lose $600 billion, a decrease of roughly 2 percent.").

So I would suggest Obama's plan is not a bad first step from here (where "here" means the current tax structure). I do hope it will only be a first step, however, with these issues being revisited no later than a hypothetical President Obama's second term.

That's a different Deborah Solomon than the one who used to vandalize my New York Times Magazine with inane, self-important interview questions, right?

"while a McCain White House would steer the bulk of the benefits to the wealthiest families"

allowing people to keep more of their own money doesn't really fit the definition of "benefits". It's not like the money is being taken from poor people and given to rich people.

"while a McCain White House would steer the bulk of the benefits to the wealthiest families"

allowing people to keep more of their own money doesn't really fit the definition of "benefits". It's not like the money is being taken from poor people and given to rich people.

Benefits as in 'benefits of the change in policy'. They'll benefit from a lowering of their tax bill.

sorry for the double post. it said there was a server error so i resubmitted.

I should also be noted that McCain plans to have significant cuts in spending (which would negate some/all? of the tax cuts).

Errr... No he doesn't, unless you count the couple dozen billion of earmarks as a significant cut in spending (which he still won't be able to do, because he'll never get a line-item veto).

McCain also plans to substantially increase defense spending, which considering that it's already one of the biggest budget items by a ways, will swamp any spending cuts he can manage to commit himself to in other areas.

Of course the money is being taken from poor people and given to rich people. Federal taxes and expenditures as currently structured end up being to the net benefit of wealthier people, particularly older wealthier people. And by the way, this is particularly true when the federal government is running high deficits, since the resulting economic effects (e.g., dollar devaluation and the time-shifting of the tax burden associated with current expenditures) end up operating as de facto more regressive taxes transferred to future taxpayers.

So, the way we are currently running the federal government is creating a massive wealth transfer from younger and poorer people to older and wealthier people. And much to my surprise, an old wealthy dude wants to get this money pump running even faster.

"That's a different Deborah Solomon than the one who used to vandalize my New York Times Magazine with inane, self-important interview questions, right?"

That was my first thought, too - surely it has to be, yes? I mean, odds are definitely good that there are more than a few Deborarh Solomons in NYC, so.

Also - it's taken for a sort of granted that Murdoch will destroy the WSJ, but is that a sure thing? The man's obviously got his political views, but he's also not an idiot - as in China, and NY with Clinton as Senator, he's perfectly willing to flip his papers' politics to better adapt to the current political/business climate. Right-winger he may be, but excellent businessman first - he's not Richard Mellon Scaife, losing tens of millions to indulge his politics. Murdoch makes money, and if a reliably-accurate business paper that doesn't gratuitously savage an Obama administration (in its news pages, at any rate) is the way to do so, it'd seem that'd be what he'd do.

This news story is proof that journalism is still possible. My exposure to coverage of McCain/Obama fiscal policy has been limited thus far to npr. All I've heard is he-said she-said "journalism".

I haven't read through the study yet, but anyone who claims Urban Institute and Brookings Institute are non-partisan has drunk too much of their own cool aid.

I should also be noted that McCain plans to have significant cuts in spending (which would negate some/all? of the tax cuts).

Posted by mb | June 12, 2008 10:01 AM

mccain proposes deep federal spending cuts (WSJ):

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/16/mccain-proposes-deep-federal-spending-cuts/?mod=WSJBlog

accomplishing it, is of course another matter.

"And much to my surprise, an old wealthy dude wants to get this money pump running even faster."


do you really believe that?

i think its also worth noting that McCain wants to decrease wasteful defense spending and that Obama also wants to increase the size of the military:

"To renew American leadership in the world, we must immediately begin working to revitalize our military. A strong military is, more than anything, necessary to sustain peace. . . .
We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future. . . . We should expand our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the army and 27,000 marines. . . . "

perhaps you have a PhD in economics (I certainly do not) and understand exactly how the economy will react to everything (I certainly do not), but i find that I agree more with Republican philosophy on these issues. Make the argument strong enough that these principles do not produce the effects Republicans desire and that the Democratic policies are more just- and i will gladly switch sides.

mccain proposes deep federal spending cuts (WSJ):

Money quote from that article:

He has not specified a single program that might be affected.

Well, I'm convinced!

mb,

Yes, actually, and I am a pretty level-headed guy. People in certain economic classes and in certain generations have recently ended up favoring fiscal policies that have the effect of transferring wealth to themselves. That isn't a coincidence, and it also isn't a coincidence that the politicians they end up supporting in turn support these wealth transfers. And Bush and now McCain are both such political creatures.

But I agree I put it in a snarky way, and I wasn't intending to imply demographics is actually destiny. For example, other old rich dudes like Warren Buffett are willing to act on principle and complain about these exact same policies, even though he personally benefits.

money quote from that article that comes directly before your money quote from that article:

McCain says he will cut an additional $65 billion from spending after a review of discretionary spending.


and a bonus quote from the final sentence:

Holtz-Eakin said that the Office of Management and Budget has identified many federal programs that are not achieving their objectives, and that would be a good place to start looking for cuts.

Y = C + I + G + NX, as every freshman in an Econ class knows.

Please explain how increasing the deficit, which is tantamount to increasing net government expenditure, which is equal to G above, would reduce economic growth?

Because of the crowding out effect of the deficit spending.

Holtz-Eakin said that the Office of Management and Budget has identified many federal programs that are not achieving their objectives, and that would be a good place to start looking for cuts.

For some reason I suspect McCain will skip past item #1 on this list, "Iraq war funding".

McCain flashed his Butterfly McQueen "I don't no nothin' bout no economy" impression the other day, when he warned us that Obama, if elected, would shoot the estate tax up to 55 percent.

Guess what? The estate tax has maxed out at 55 percent (for anyone who dies an intestate multi-millionaire) for decades. The tax itself is about 100 years old, and it doesn't seem to have killed off capitalism, yet. And those who call it the "death tax" are basically following a propaganda talking point laid out in the 1930s.

Politicians like McCain make their deepest gains in public opinion when the electorate is uninformed. Let this year's battlecry come in the words of the late great Frank Zappa:

"Forget the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got the guts."

McCain flashed his Butterfly McQueen "I don't no nothin' bout no economy" impression the other day, when he warned us that Obama, if elected, would shoot the estate tax up to 55 percent.

Guess what? The estate tax has maxed out at 55 percent (for anyone who dies an intestate multi-millionaire) for decades. The tax itself is about 100 years old, and it doesn't seem to have killed off capitalism, yet. And those who call it the "death tax" are basically following a propaganda talking point laid out in the 1930s.

Politicians like McCain make their deepest gains in public opinion when the electorate is uninformed. Let this year's battlecry come in the words of the late great Frank Zappa:

"Forget the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got the guts."

md said:

i think its also worth noting that McCain wants to decrease wasteful defense spending and that Obama also wants to increase the size of the military...

md is mashing two, unrelated, statements.

If Obama expanded generic light and heavy infantry by 92,000, and got us out of Iraq within a couple of years, he'd enjoy a net savings.

If McCain pursues fraud, inefficiencies, and tactically unneeded weapons procurement, and sticks with our current burn rate in Iraq for his first term, he'll suffer a net added expenditure.

I've worked in aerospace for quite a while, and agree that you can find opportunities for added efficiencies in any industrial firm, or large bureaucracy.

However, only way to reduce overall payout while continuing to fight in Iraq scale is to eliminate almost all current and pending weapons procurement... except for war attrition replacements. In fact, if I spend a bit more time with a cocktail napkin and a Sharpie, I might find we were still in the hole.

Since John isn't a fiscal wizard, won't gut defense procurement, and won't draw down the forces in Iraq in the near future, he will spend more than Obama on defense.

You cannot balance this budget by cutting taxes and waging a war. We have added several trillion dollars in liabilities for this war and what has it brought us? More secure oil? A decrease in Iran's status in the ME? More respect from the worldwide community?

I am a traditional conservative although socially tolerant. We need to get off the oil. We need to get out of Iraq. We need to start paying down the debt. We have aircraft carriers and ICBM's, we don't need bases all over the world anymore.

The Republicans are so slanted to the rich and the democrats want to give the poorest something but what about the middle class? Let's see real middle class improvements. The rich don't pay more taxes as a proportion, that has been proven time and time again. Ask Warren Buffet. Limbaugh may correctly state how much more income tax the rich pay but that isn't the only tax.

WE have a huge debt. We need both higher taxes and less spending to balance it and right our ship. And the idea that lowering taxes always increases revenue is bullshit. There reaches a point where revenue decreases.

So. The Republican, in accordance with his party's policy of turning this country into even more of a banana republic, follows the standard Republican policy of "across the board" tax cuts that go mainly to the rich. And the Democrat, in accorance with his party's policy of placing everyone under the supervision of a social worker, wants all sorts of "targeted tax credits" for social engineering purposes.

In other words, dog bites man. What else is new?

The first president who has the sense to pull his head out of his ass and propose raising the standard deduction to $40,000, and paying for it with the elimination of all corporate subsidies, will guarantee himself a second term and probably lock his party into power for a generation.

What's being largely ignored is that McCain's tax plan is a BS proposal--an empty, base-shoring campaign promise he knows the pending D Congress will not consider for a nanosec. As President, he can't get the opposition to pass a revenue-negative, fiscally reckless love-letter to his wealthy contributors. That's why he proposed it.


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