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Two Cheers for Theory

19 Jun 2008 12:42 pm

Ross had an interesting post several days ago that I've been meaning to respond to, centered around the limited utility of theory in guiding action on foreign policy:

That being said, I do think that the ease with which many liberal hawks who would have been cool to the idea of invading Iraq circa 1999 went over to the interventionist position after 2001 suggests a deeper problem with Matt's attempt - or any attempt - to build systematic theories for international engagement: Namely, that unless you're a very stringent non-interventionist (or a pacifist), no matter what theory of foreign policy you choose, you'll always be able to find justification within the confines of that theory whenever a particular intervention seems like a good idea. In this vein, I sometimes think too much of the debate over the Iraq War has been bogged down by arguments over theory - by Christians arguing over whether just war tradition accommodates the invasion; by liberals arguing (sometimes with themselves) over whether it fits within the Truman paradigm, by everybody arguing about neoconservatism's place in American political history - when to my mind the chief lessons of the war have to do with issues of prudence and practicality, and more specifically with the question of when the costs of war, in lives and treasure, are worth the risk involved and the gains that might be won.

There's definitely something to that. No theory worth having is going to have totally unambiguous applications to specific cases, and besides which there's no substitute for factual information and good judgment. That said, just saying we're going to take a prudent, empirical approach to questions turns out to not have any real content. In part, this is for formal reasons like "the interdependence of fact and theory" where people's empirical assessments of situations are influenced by their theoretical precommitments. In part the issue is that foreign crises play out in real time, and decisions need to be made with imperfect information and typically by people who aren't specialists in the region of the world at hand. On top of all that, the questions of costs and benefits is going to implicate ideas about goals and "grand strategy." These are topics that can't help but be debated with some reference to theory. Your approach to a lot of issues can be strongly affected by whether or not you think US-Chinese conflict is inevitable, and if not whether you think an "appeasement invites aggression" frame or a "if we're reasonable, they'll be reasonable too" frame is the most important way of thinking about the risks of conflict.

In short, we can't get by without theory, so we have good reason to debate theory. And eve if particular cases can't "prove" a given theory wrong or right, it's natural to cite cases in making arguments about theory.

Ultimately, I think Ross's insight is most persuasive in batting down certain kinds of objections to certain theoretical positions. I've sometimes heard the objection raised that since my preferred theoretical position can't provide an unambiguous answer to all real and possible cases, it must be a flawed theory. Or that since past presidents have sometimes deviated from internationalist course (Mossadegh, Vietnam, the Cuba Embargo), it can't be the case that liberal internationalism has generally been the guiding principle of our policy. That kind of thing is just the wrong way to think about what theoretical considerations are supposed to do -- they're supposed to provide some guidance as to relevant considerations and plausible courses of action, not completely determine policy.

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If only there was a "theory verification machine" that would enable us to test our foreign policy theories out with 100% accuracy before we implemented them! I think we should put all our top engineers to work on this important problem.

"centered around" is a grammatical no-no. "center on" or "revolve around" but it's impossible to "center around" something.

"centered around" is a grammatical no-no. "center on" or "revolve around" but it's impossible to "center around" something.

What's the difference between liberal interventionism (Wilsonianism) and Neoconservatism?

One word: Ethnocentrism.

Take the morally just goal of liberating Iraq from an awful dictator (a Wilsonian goal). Toss in a pinch of ethnocentrism and you get a shift in focus. Say goodbye to toppling a dictator and repairing the damage. Say hello to securing oil fields, installing our friends (Chalabi), and making Iraq our little sphere of influence in the Mid-East.

Matt, imagine how you would have run and prioritized a war in Iraq. Then imagine how someone who only cared about and saw it from the U.S. self-interest perspective would run and prioritize a war in Iraq.

There's the whole story.

Indeed, trying to construct a foreign-policy theory with unambiguous answers to every situation is like trying to build a teacher-proof curriculum--it's a fool's errand. There is always an irreducible element of prudence involved in decision-making. So read your Thucycides and--oh, one more thing apropos the reality that "decisions need to be made with imperfect information and typically by people who aren't specialists in the region of the world at hand": Maybe next time, a decision equivalent in gravity to invading Iraq won't be made after telling the entire field of area specialists to STFU?

But Matt, how do you respond to Douthat's point that you're trying to save liberal internationalists from liberal internationalists? They were the ones who defected en masse to the Bush doctrine of invading Iraq. It was the noninterventionists who thought it was a terrible idea. Maybe you're a noninterventionist and you just haven't realized it yet.

Reminiscent of an old story about an economist who visited a successful welfare reform program in the innner city. He met all these mothers telling him about the free day care and job training which allowed them to go to work and get off the dole, the program that allowed them to take college classes on the weekends, and all the other great aspects of the program. The director of the program, beaming, told the economist "see how well this works in practice?".

The economist replied "yes, but does it work in theory?".

I'm not sure what Matt is counting as "theory" in this discussion, but I do think contemporary liberal foreign policy thinkers, a group to which Matt aspires to belong, tend to focus far too much on means and generic, ahistorical principles of universally correct action, and don't do nearly enough hard-headed, detailed analysis of current global conditions, or formulation of concrete achievable ends that are responsive to those history-bound conditions. They also show a persistent pattern of avoidance of a lot of those ugly, messy rubber-meets-the-road questions that raise challenges to abstract principles. Unfortuantely, this means that while they often have an excellent line on actions that have already been taken, they seem continually behind the curve when it comes to thinking about the next emerging crisis situation.

The problem with your theory is that is led directly to 9/11. You focus a lot of time and attention on the Iraq War, and count it as a positive that your theory would have avoided it. Great, but don't forget to eat your vegetables.

Matt sez: "No theory worth having is going to have totally unambiguous applications to specific cases"


Which, in a nutshell, is why I always hated my philosophy courses.

Matt sez: "No theory worth having is going to have totally unambiguous applications to specific cases"


Which, in a nutshell, is why I always hated my philosophy courses.

Is it just me, or does Ross's position come across as a freshman in philosophy 101 having a sudden (and wrong!) insight into something painfully obvious but who thinks he's just stumbled onto some deep inner truth about reality?

Sometimes I wish the Atlantic would hire some bloggers who aren't in their 20s...

"Is it just me, or does Ross's position come across as a freshman in philosophy 101 having a sudden (and wrong!) insight into something painfully obvious but who thinks he's just stumbled onto some deep inner truth about reality?"

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I think Ross was right to suggest that basic principles about this particular war would have served us better then some of these ideological debates.

The problem is worse then Matt suggests that theory doesn't have clear applications to every case. The problem is that theory is supposed guide practice, but it didn't seem it had the slightest bit of influence in the run up the Iraq war. Theory had plenty of applications to Iraq and it didn't matter at all.

I think Matt runs up against the same problem he chides conservatives for. Sure theory can be a useful guide, but in terms of the real existing foreign policy community and the real debate about the actually disastrous war everyone seemed to make a different excuse as to why invading a tin pot dictatorship was good idea.

Anti-war voices were left out on the street holding signs hoping that Brent Snowcroft could talk the world down from invasion while "liberal" voices were cheer leading for the Bush administration.

can someone explain to me whatever the he'll happened to "national greatness conservatism"? Was that just Y2K code for nelson? Since McCain is running again it would nice to know if he, Kristol and the others actually thought this was a theory of governing philosopy and not a marketing campaign for neocons.

"Maybe you're a noninterventionist and you just haven't realized it yet."

This is precisely WHY I asked my two questions on Iran - which Matt has now answered yesterday.

My point was that Matt was marketing himself as a "liberal internationalist" while still talking about "Iranian proliferation" and "Iranian disarmament" as if it was some foregone conclusion that Iran had a nuclear weapons program and also hinting that a military response would be appropriate in certain cases of proliferation.

So I tried to nail him down on that. His answers yesterday hopefully establish that he is NOT a "liberal hawk" and thus not a "liberal interventionist".

Now Matt does seem to approve of the Kosovo operation, which has been and is being subject to considerable criticism from antiwar types on precisely the grounds that it was a bad intervention. But that's another argument Matt and I can have some other time.

To go further, one of the problems Matt and Ross have is that they continue to fail to realize that people like Bush and Cheney are NOT influenced by academic pundit theories about intervention. They may know those theories and trot them out when convenient, but their primary motivations are considerably more crass: money and power.

And until college kids like Matt and Ross understand that, they're going to be calling the shots wrong on the behavior of politicians and the effects of US foreign policy.


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