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07 Jun 2008 09:53 am

All my liberal friends think the proverbial right-wing noise machine is going to go after Barack Obama in an even more demagogic and irresponsible manner than they went after the Clintons, and I’d have to say that the early evidence suggests they’re right. But not that conservatives care what I think, it seems to me that this is actually a substantial mistake. Crazy stuff about how Obama’s a ”marxist” a former ”street organizer”, a Muslim, and most of all blackity black black black mostly seems to me to obscure attention from a much more plausible campaign strategy. Every liberal I know is really excited about Obama because Obama’s a very charismatic, politically savvy guy who’s also got a substantially more liberal record that the successful Democratic nominees of the recent past.

Not “substantially more liberal” in the sense of “secretly worships Mao,” but in the sense of “like many people, but unlike most Americans, found Bill Clinton too moderate for his tastes.” Go read Chris Hayes’ case for Obama in The Nation and you’ll find an argument that was very convincing to me. But then again, I’m the kind of guy who reads Nation articles, I’m not the median voter. The liberal contention is that given the current state of the country, and given a charismatic candidate, the median voter is prepared to vote for a more liberal candidate than he’s been voting for over the past few decades. But that’s hardly an airtight case, and the GOP has their own well-liked nominee and one who, for good measure, is actually somewhat less conservative than the people the Republicans have been nominating recently.

They’ll probably lose one way or the other, but I think they’d be better off giving the convincing argument their best shot rather than opting for what seems like a flailing strategy of desperation.

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I hate to ruin a perfectly good post by pointing this out, but your median voter doesn't go by "he." She's a woman, man.

the GOP has their own well-liked nominee and one who, for good measure, is actually somewhat less conservative than the people the Republicans have been nominating recently.

OTOH, the thing that has killed the Republican party is the Iraq war, and particularly the neocon justification and overwrought support for the war. And John McCain really is Neocon John, as Lawrence Kaplan recently admitted:

[Lawrence] Kaplan: The near-term argument here is that if John McCain wins the presidential election, neoconservatism will have been vindicated. Because by voting him into office, people will have tacitly given their endorsement to that sort of foreign policy. His advisers are the very people we are arguing about.

The Dems don't seem to be making much of an effort to (a) make the neocons broadly unpopular, or (b) tie McCain to the neocons. I have no idea why.

Yeah, but what if the underlying liberal positions (universal health care, no war in Iraq) are actually quite popular? Then there's nothing left to do but attack in a ridiculous way.

All those links are broken, Matt ...

For the wingers, the contest with Obama isn't about policy, it's about race. Racism has the fascination of the Abyss, the Death Wish-- some will peer cautiously into it, some will dangle their limbs over it-- and some will jump headlong into it.

That's right, John, they all have an " at the end. Linky no worky

Shhh!

How about, neither candidate's campaign strategy is going to determine who wins this November? The victor, as per usual, will be determined by demographic and macro forces beyond either's direct control. Based on that I'm gonna go with the Big O.

The fight will be on two levels: At the McCain level, the Republicans will say that we are now "winning" in Iraq and Obama is with the surrender crowd. The truth is that the Bush/McCain party are muddling along toward imperialistic occupation of Iraq, if they can pull it off. The counter offensive should be that we will listen to -all- Iraqis, with the intent of finding a concensus for our withdrawal.

At the muck level, Obama will be attacked with every piece of emotional slime available -- throw everything and see what sticks. The counter attack should be that the attackers are bigots and lying swiftboaters. It will be ugly.

The counter attack should be that the attackers are bigots and lying swiftboaters. It will be ugly.

Everybody blamed Kerry for not going after the swiftboaters early enough, but that can't have been why he lost. (He lost because too many people thought he was kind of a douche.)

Let's not forget voter turnout, which will surely break 2004's highest-since-1968 record. Kerry got more votes than Gore, and Obama will get more than Kerry. We seem to be amidst a trend of greater public participation in our democracy, thanks to the internets and such. This is HIGHLY in Obama's favor. Expect new registered voters to wow.

But that’s hardly an airtight case, and the GOP has their own well-liked nominee and one who, for good measure, is actually somewhat less conservative than the people the Republicans have been nominating recently.

Less conservative then George Bush? Are you sure? By whose measure? Tweety? Teh Big Punkinhead?

But that’s hardly an airtight case, and the GOP has their own well-liked nominee

McCain, well liked? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Crazy stuff about how Obama’s... blackity black black black mostly seems to me to obscure attention from a much more plausible campaign strategy.

The issue is not that he is black. The issue is whether or not he fosters a resentment of white people. During the campaign he has tried to persuade people that he does not, that he trasncends race and wants to bring reconciliation and hopefor all. But then it comes out that he chose a church that is known for its pastor preaching resentment against whites and against the U.S.

It is hard to argue that white people should vote for someone who resents them.

Now, there is one way in which Obama's race itself could become a majopr liability. Some Obama supporters will defend Obama and Wright by saying that lots of black churches are like this, and that this is just part of the black culture that whites don't understand. The problem with this argument is that most whites do not want a candidate who resents them, so such an argument would sound like an awful good reason why not to vote for a black candidate. Unless of course, you think that it is racist for whites not to hate themselves and to encourage resentment of themselves.

Again, though, the issue is less white racism against blacks than white fear of black racial animosity. If Obama can convince people that he is not planning on using the government as a way to disempower whites to satisfy animosity or resentment toward them, he will win easily, particularly against candidate Nukem McAmnesty.

MY is mistaken in that he assumes there's a level of real thought and planning going into the attacks on BO. There ain't.

While the GOP and conservatism has managed to have a few good strategists (like Gingrich) and some decent tacticians (like Rove), the party and the movement has been overwhelmed by anti-intellectualism, a trend that greatly sped up under President Bush. These folks genuinely don't think about things in any serious fashion.

So, the attacks on BO can't reflect any considered plan of attack but instead must mirror the unreflective fears of the Right. They fear and hate BO more out of racism and xenophobia than they do out of ideology, so that's what they have to base their criticism on. Anything else would require them to put thinking ahead of feeling and they just can't do that.

Mike

As an Obama supporter, I have to say that it wasn't necessarily his liberalism that drew me to him. A large part of his appeal for me was the fact that he responds to attacks head on and isn't afraid to engage Republicans directly on their "home turf" issues like National Defense.

I honestly don't think he's all that liberal either. His voting record in the US Senate is too short for that "most liberal Senator" label to be meaningful, and he has a known history of reaching across the aisle in the Illinois State Senate. He has called for increases in Defense spending and said such increases are likely under his administration. He was surrounded by conservatives at the University of Chicago who continue to respect him. He's against unnecessary wars and he's an advocate of fiscal responsibility. What's so far-left liberal about that?

If Obama can convince people that he is not planning on using the government as a way to disempower whites to satisfy animosity or resentment toward them

Per KFMonkey, you might think that a quick look at the demographics for the US, or just the Congress, combined with a rough sense of how the US political system works, might suffice. If not, I'm not sure anything will. Some people wake up afraid.

It is hard to argue that white people should vote for someone who resents them.

Glaivester, I agree. We shouldn't vote for Jeremiah Wright. Luckily enough for us, he's not on the ticket. Or do you think that all congregants of a church believe in everything that the church (or one pastor) teaches? If so, you should talk to some American Catholics. You might be surprised at how often they disagree with the church.

Obama has been surprising us all along. And he knows it's coming. So expect him to have a new approach to the ratfuckers. Let's hope.

It is hard to argue that white people should vote for someone who resents them.

Unless his pastor is on the ticket, I don't see that being a huge issue.

Some of the arguments against Obama seem to have a 'and the kitchen sink too' feel to them. Instead of just 'Obama wants to give the terrorists victory in Iraq by running away', you'll see that line with a '...because he's a double-secret Muslim' tagged on the end of it. It's like Obama can't just be wrong on the issues, he has to be eeeevvvilll too.

He's against unnecessary wars and he's an advocate of fiscal responsibility. What's so far-left liberal about that?

In this climate, that's practically anarcho-Marxist syndicalist-pacifism, with a measure of black-nationalist liberation theology thrown in!

As an advocate of forced gay marriage on all our state collectivized communes (which grow only organic tofu and manufacture only organic arugula), I'll take what I can get. It's a first step!

The problem won't be the right-wing noise machine, it will be the MSM reporting on the bogus narratives of the right-wing noise machine.

They tend to either report them in a he said/she said manner in which there is no objective truth, or even worse, buy into it, you know like Tweety and Brian Williams always talking about "real Americans" (read: white conservatives) in rapturous tones, who, in their twisted minds, of course love endless war and hate Starbucks and care deeply about lapel pins.

Obama needs to position his campaign in the center and do it quick. He should avoid "cap and trade" like the plague and distance himself from it early and often. He should not discount McCain's political skill and his appeal to Americans and he needs to focus on the economy big time. Above all, he needs to avoid the kind of finger-pointing nastiness that came up a lot in the Democratic primary. He should go positive. The reaction to Clinton winning West Virginia and Kentucky was a low point in his campaign. Those are states he can win this year, no matter what the poles say. He needs to craft an appeal to those Clinton voters that are lower income - YES, white - and have gotten the shaft from Bush. He should go to Kentucky and West Virginia and Arkansas and talk about the economy and bash NAFTA and Exxon - but in a nice way. That's how Clinton did it in 1992 and it worked for him.

They’ll probably lose one way or the other, but I think they’d be better off giving the convincing argument their best shot rather than opting for what seems like a flailing strategy of desperation.

I don't think it's about convincing anyone who might actually vote for a Democrat. It's about holding the line with the Malkinite bitter enders. McCain will keep his powder dry in all of it. The blogs, radio, and chain emails will take care of the marxist blackity-black stuff.

I actually think that if Obama moderately more liberal than Bill Clinton, he's actually closer to "conservative" in the light of the electorate's median opinion than Clinton was.

In the most recent presidential elections, the median age of voters has been 44 (and I believe it was for Clinton, too). That means, even assuming the youth vote doesn't materialize, Bill Clinton's median voter's date of birth was 1948. For Obama, it's 1964. Damn near post-boomer.

Those are two VERY different cohorts.

Interestingly, although 1948-1964 was a time of massive change, especially for kids (those born in the postwar born after Civil Rights; the beginning of female equality), the political pundit class remained rather stagnant over the 1992-2008 timeline, which means they probably don't understand how much the median voter changed. Good lord, they're still talking about "Reagan Democrats," most of whom are dead.

So, no, I don't think they'd get very far with this critique--especially as it's become quite clear that the Republican Party has abandoned all the policies that made it appealing in the 1980's.

Glaivester, I agree. We shouldn't vote for Jeremiah Wright. Luckily enough for us, he's not on the ticket. Or do you think that all congregants of a church believe in everything that the church (or one pastor) teaches?

He is not merely Obama's pastor, he is one of Obama's mentors. Obama's book The Audacity of Hope is named for one of Wright's sermons. Obama appears to have specifically chosen that church for its radical views. He seems to have been much mroe radical ten years ago than he appears to be now.

What Obama needs to do is convince people that he has changed and htat his previous radicalism does not reflect who he is now, rather than just pushing it out of the way (whcih makes people wonder if he is just masking it to get elected).

Those are states he can win this year, no matter what the poles say.
I don't have a dog in that fight.
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Again, though, the issue is less white racism against blacks than white fear of black racial animosity.

Sweetie, pie, that's ALWAYS the issue with your kind.

The Nazis said Germans had to be afraid of the Jews, who were (despite appearances) quite powerful and out to get them. Likewise, that was the argument against desegregation laws mandating that one could not refuse to sell or rent to a black person :

"We white people have taken a lot from the Negro. We have been patient, and now find ourselves pushed up against a wall by groups that feel it is their God given right to have our property. We have worked hard and saved to get what we now own. Because we do work hard and wish to maintain our property are we to be denied the right to dispose of our property as we see fit? Is the ultimate aim the same as the Soviet Union when all property was collectivized...."

It's the same damn lie, over and over. What I find amazing is that you guys haven't figured out how self-revealing these kinds of statements are.

Obama appears to have specifically chosen that church for its radical views.

Galvester, what are you basing this claim on?

most of all blackity black black black

Another day, another race card played by Matthew and the Obama camapign.

Only a campaign of racists would play this many race cards.

In the most recent presidential elections, the median age of voters has been 44 (and I believe it was for Clinton, too). That means, even assuming the youth vote doesn't materialize, Bill Clinton's median voter's date of birth was 1948. For Obama, it's 1964. Damn near post-boomer.

Those are two VERY different cohorts.

True, but the difference is much more prominent with respect to social issues like gay marriage, not as much with economic issues like progressive taxation and programs that help the poor.

If Obama can convince people that he is not planning on using the government as a way to disempower whites

I'm trying to figure out what this means or how Barack Obama would even accomplish it. Rich whites are pretty darn empowered, as a cursory look at congress and which bills congress consistently passes will tell you. Poor whites are pretty darn disempowered already, and Obama's policies would seem to help them along.

McCain's main hope of winning is to paint Obama as a Big Phony who talks moderate, but who gave $53,000 to Rev. Wright in 2005-2007.

If Obama and Wright were white, McCain would jump all over it. But they're not, so my guess is that McCain would prefer to lose graciously in order to keep his reputation among his media friends rather than to go to the mat to try to win.

The Nazis said Germans had to be afraid of the Jews, who were (despite appearances) quite powerful and out to get them. Likewise, that was the argument against desegregation laws mandating that one could not refuse to sell or rent to a black person :

These two examples are not the same issue. Mandating discrimination (aka Nazi Germany or Jim Crow) is not the same thing as permitting discrimination (allowing whites not to sell to blacks). Of course, most people today assume that the government must either mandate something or forbid it (except for abortion, where the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice is always stressed), so you either support antidiscrimination laws or you support mandating discrimination.

In any case, if people are convinced that Obama is not a radical on racial issues, his race won't matter. If they think he is, it will.

It's not a deliberate strategy. They just believe the ridiculous things they say. They don't understand the meanings of the words they use.

That's half of them. The other half intends for this stuff to be an undercurrent to pick off the stupid. They may be getting the relative volume wrong, or you may just be over-attenuated.

Frankly, I think the leftosphere needs to fight equally dirty, and it's not. Barack's cutting off of the 527's is a big mistake.

The least we can do is continue - not with one or two posts, but day after day after day - to hammer on Phil Gramm and make stuff up suggesting that McCain was directly involved.

"...most of all blackity black black black."

matt,

you are so, so, so right.
i was not an obama suporter initially because i fully expected that an obama candicacy would mean the most racist, negative campaign in history.
and a loss for democrats.
and as is obvious already, the gop will not even be subtle about their racist attacks, as your post suggests.
but, along the way, i've gotten more faith in the american people.
as one of your earlier posts implied, things are so bad, americans might even give the black guy a chance.
and idiots like al will continue to bemoan the fact that honest folks call them out on their racism, while all the while excusing each and every slimy attack tossed barack's way.
by the way, your posts have had an increasingly candid - and hilarious - perspective on racism.
i like it.
great stuff.

Of course, all this pontificating will be irrelevant when the Iran war starts.

Then the issue will boil down to: is Obama a "war hero"?

Nope.

End of story.

Because Obama will be "too nice" to gut McCain over the "war hero" crap. And most Democrats think that's a good thing because it will make Obama look "nice".

Totally useless once a war starts.

Obama will lose.

This election should have been a "slam dunk", just like 2000 and 2004, but the Dems have screwed it up yet again.

"The Dems don't seem to be making much of an effort to (a) make the neocons broadly unpopular, or (b) tie McCain to the neocons. I have no idea why." (SomeCallMeTim)

Might upset their benefactors (a.k.a. Jews). And some loved one in W. Virginia or the Midwest would find out his son got blown up in Fallujah because it was "good for the Jews" (i.e. Israel) and no telling what would happen then. Better to tell the people like Keith Olbermann does that George W. is a bad man and that Republicans like oil. After we nuke Iran, The Dems can get Clinton (Bill) and Gina Gershon to do a PSA for Darfur.

primary Obama 2008 is more fiscally conservative than primary Clinton 1992 in comparison to where the electorate was/is. Clinton may not have turned out so moderate if Perot (and Tsongas to a much lesser effect) didn't make defecit reduction the holy grail. Clinton with 50%+1 and a more prepared staff might have gotten health care and welfare reform with a workfare component passed.

I heard Hannity (wording approximate) refer to Obama as a "Chicago machine politics radical leftist". That deserves to be enshrined in the oxymoron Hall of Fame.


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