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23 Jul 2008 10:22 am

Tim Fernholtz, a new American Prospect writing fellow, is becoming must-reading. Here he is with a good question about McCain's "listen to the Generals"-centric policy agenda:

But it raises this important question: If John McCain knows nothing about the economy and most domestic issues but wants to be elected based on his foreign policy, which is apparently 'do whatever David Petraeus says,' why not have McCain do a surprise endorsement of Petraeus and drop out? It would certainly be easier than crafting a coherent foreign policy.

The whole notion of listening to commanders on the ground as an alternative to listening to the Iraqi government is a bit bizarre. I mean, suppose President McCain is inaugurated in January. Then Prime Minister Maliki says, "we want US forces out within two years." People want to know how McCain will respond. And he says . . . ask General Odierno. But at this point unless General Odierno is totally unfamiliar with the constitution, he's going to have to . . . turn around and ask the White House what the administration's policy is. After all, there's a substantial difference between a military deployment in support of a foreign government and one taking place in the face of opposition from that government.

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Here's a comment from a Democrat relative to Senator Obamas' phony speech before AIPAC earlier on.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/12994.htm

The following excerpt makes is clear that the senator is no friend of Israel. In refering to the speech, Dr. Fishbein writes:

"'But what was Obama hinting at? A careful parsing of the passage suggests that either he was calling for all Palestinian towns on the West Bank to be linked territorially, something that already exists, or more likely that in any final peace deal Hamas-controlled Gaza must be connected to the West Bank via a land bridge.

'In fact, the Obama statement was a sinister reformulation of a key Palestinian demand that if implemented, would erode not only the geographic continuity of the Jewish State, but could fatally undermine its security as well.

'By asserting that "The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive," Obama implicitly called for the partitioning of Israel, the break-up of a U.N. member state and U.S. democratic ally, and the sacrifice of its territorial integrity in the face of unrelenting terrorism. This is surely not what the AIPAC audience understood and certainly not what the American People expect of a possible future President. "

And then we have the list of Obama foreign policy advisers with long records of Israel bashing.

"Surely those advising Obama on foreign policy matters are aware that what their candidate is asking of Israel is nothing short of national suicide. Individuals like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Lee H. Hamilton, Susan E. Rice, Lawrence J. Korb, Joseph Cirincione, W. Anthony Lake and David Bonior boast long resumes opposing Israel security interests and challenging the extent of the U.S.-Israel relationship. "

Maybe if Bush, McCain, and the generals could lay out a specific set of plans for the people of Iraq (and the U.S.), they would have some credibility. The fact is, nobody trusts them because everything they say and do is clouded by a distinct lack of specifics, with all things seeming to point to a large, permanent military presence. Is it any wonder they want us out?

As to what the generals might say, remember that they are under Bush's orders. If Bush orders them to say that we need to stay, they'll say it. Everything they say must be viewed through the filter that they are under Bush's command, and trying to accomplish Bush's strategic goals. When Petraeus says we need to stay, we need to stay to accomplish the mission Bush gave him (which seems to be hang in until we have control of the oil and a puppet gov't). The generals are not trying to create geo-political goals, they are carrying out Bush's.

Yeah, and it is probably worth noting that as President you can usually find a general willing to say what you want, and indeed you can often then promote that person to the relevant position.

So, coming from the President, "ask the generals" is really just "because I said so!" And since McCain is now just echoing the President, for him it is "because the President said so!"

The whole listen to the generals argument is a lie anyway since former Centcom commander Abizaid and former Iraq commander Casey were against the surge and Mccain did not "listen" to them.

The "listening to the commanders on the ground" line has a long history.
It was part of "the stab in the back" narrative about how we lost in Vietnam, and so it was ready-made for Bush to adopt.
When the Democratic Congress was moving toward cutting off funds for the war, the administration blunted that with "the Surge", the deification of General Petreaus, and the "listening to the commanders on the ground." All were designed to forestall Congress from exercising the power of the purse over the war. It worked -- allowing themselves to be co-opted by the Administration was the biggest error that the Congressional leaders made, and they have been in the box ever since. Interestingly enough, it was the vote to confirm Petreaus as the General in charge of Iraq was the wedge that they used to coopt the Congress -- arguing that since they had confirmed him, why would they not wait to hear from him, and then follow his recommendation?

It is sock-puppetry, at its best, since the commanders are not going to question the mission that they have been given. It is just like DOJ lawyers being assigned to write the legal rationales for torture, and citing those rationales as legal authority.

That's not how this works.

Whatever McCain and the hawsksquad wants is automatically assumed to be what the commanders on the ground want.

Whatever Obama, Democrats generally, and anyone who's not a 100% raving warhawk want will be assumed to be somehow in opposition to what the commanders on the ground want.

There is no contradiction. The warhawks' will is always assumed to be the loyal military position, and anything else is held to be anti-military and probably pro-terrorist.

Hey, Unca SLC! Tell us the story about the anonymous guy and the dead rabbit again, will ya? Pleeease?


This isn't directly a comment on the post, but has anyone noticed or suggested that in the past week or two we've been seeing the first stage of a Bush-Obama handover of power?
Consider the 'faith-based' revival, the Iran diplomatic contacts, the 'accidental' leaking of the Iraq timetable story ...

Obama's already setting US foreign policy. Bush and McCain mocked Obama for saying he'd talk to Iran, now we're talking to Iran. McCain mocked Obama for saying Iraq was a distraction and we should send more troops to Afghanistan, now McCain supports sending more troops to Afghanistan.

Am I the only one for who the link to Tim Fernholz's (and shouldn't it be Fernholz?) piece isn't working? I'd like to read this article, and his others if he's as good as advertised, but I can't seem to track anything down.

Though I did find a few things by him on the Tapped blog at The American Prospect, nothing with the quote here jumped out at me and I didn't see any way to search for his work specifically to see if it was older.

What's the point of having a President in charge of the military if all we expect them to do is ask the generals what to do? If Truman had followed this procedure MacArthur would have nuked China in 1951.

If Truman had followed this procedure MacArthur would have nuked China in 1951.

Posted by spense

That's why the warhawks hated Truman for that and suggested the State Department was full of Communists.

What Eight Republicans Found
TIME Magazine | Monday, Aug. 27, 1951

...Eight Republicans, who had asked Administration witnesses some thorny questions during the hearings, this week released a 52-page report giving their conclusions...

"Any peace short of the liberation and unification of Korea is a delusion. Any settlement at the 38th parallel is a Chinese Communist victory."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,815220-1,00.html

Am I the only one for who the link to Tim Fernholz's (and shouldn't it be Fernholz?) piece isn't working?

Dan, you can find the blog that Fernholz posts to (he's not the only contributor) here. You can find the specific post Matt refers to here.

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"We the citizens of the United States of America have the ultimate responsibility to elect the " Right Candidate" to lead our nation, out of our huge present and future internal and external challenges as well as opportunities. This is to prevent depression and isolation in-spite of being the only superpower in the world morally, democratically, economically, and militarily.

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This is the result of the Bush administration's aggressive efforts to blur the distinction between strategic and tactical questions. The generals have been rolled out and tactical issues invoked to justify the administration's policy decision to stay in Iraq, and hiding behind the generals effectively obscures the fact that the policy decision rests with the administration.

Unfortunately, the media has become so accustomed to this formulation that you end up with the type of shock expressed by Andrea Mitchell et al yesterday at the idea that Obama as Commander in Chief might (gasp) assert his authority to set policy.

This is the result of the Bush administration's aggressive efforts to blur the distinction between strategic and tactical questions. The generals have been rolled out and tactical issues invoked to justify the administration's policy decision to stay in Iraq, and hiding behind the generals effectively obscures the fact that the policy decision rests with the administration.

Unfortunately, the media has become so accustomed to this formulation that you end up with the type of shock expressed by Andrea Mitchell et al yesterday at the idea that Obama as Commander in Chief might (gasp) assert his authority to set policy.

Posted by spense... What's the point of having a President in charge of the military if all we expect them to do is ask the generals what to do? If Truman had followed this procedure MacArthur would have nuked China in 1951.

And Gen. Patton would have continued WWII into Russia.

If Lincoln has taken McClellens' advice, the South would have won the Civil War.

What is Obama's track record on the economy? He is a tax and spend liberal. Just look at his voting record in the Senate. He knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy.

Re john

As opposed to a borrow and spend conservative.


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