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Demanding a Recount

09 Jul 2008 05:25 pm

Alexander Burns and Avi Zenilman do some reporting:

The endorsement could hardly have been stronger. On Monday, John McCain’s campaign released a statement signed by 300 economists who “enthusiastically support” his “Jobs for America” economic plan, providing a heavyweight testimonial to the presumptive Republican nominee’s “broad and powerful economic agenda.”

There’s just one problem. Upon closer inspection, it seems a good many of those economists don’t actually support the whole of McCain’s economic agenda. And at least one doesn’t even support McCain for president.

There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that this scandal will dominate the cable news coverage of the campaign to an even greater extent than did coverage of Wesley Clark observing that being a POW is not the same as running the country. After all, the McCain campaign is lying here. And lying about their campaign's macroeconomic policies, which is a very consequential matter. So this is going to be a huge story on teevee, right? Of course it will.

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And now for some actual facts:

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/do_economists_really_support_j.php

I wouldn't get too excited. I got the same press release, and I've been wondering whether to blog it, because running an eye down the list of signatories, it doesn't look like the Politico exactly dialed at random. I'm familiar enough with about a quarter of the list to be able to confidently predict their reaction if telephoned, and to a first approximation, pretty much all of them would enthusiastically support McCain over Obama. Most of the article seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill--Gary Becker supports McCain's plan without having studied in detail every single provision. This is news? How many of the economists who signed the John Kerry letter four years ago could have given you chapter and verse on his economic plans? I bet I could have beaten 99% of them in a quiz on Kerry's policies--aye, even things which made the second page of his position paper. Nor, when pressed, would very many of them have been willing to put their professional credibility on the line by supporting every provision of it.

The economists who signed the letter aren't choosing "John McCain's platform over The Platonic Ideal Economic Policy". They're stating whether they prefer it to Obama's plans. And overwhelmingly, they seem to--the Politico found one out of twelve who says he'll probably vote for Obama, and given where he teaches, this was probably one of their better shots.

Of course, the left would love if a fake issue distracted from their constant attempts to smear a war hero.

After all, the McCain campaign is lying here.

Uh, no. If anything, the economists were lying when they signed the statement.

Al, STFU.

Meanwhile, Matt, once again, when are you going to acknowledge that McCain is the anointed next President of the United States by the MSM and the Powers That Be?

Making fun of McCain really isn't going to stop that.

Don't get your hopes up that this exaggeration will turn into a news story. It requires actual analysis and some phone calls.

It is so much easier just to read Drudge.

The MSM will get around to reporting on this after their next BBQ at the Straight Talk(tm) Ranch.

AH: You're completely missing the point. McCain is acting as if these 300 economists signed off on the gas tax holiday and his "proposal" to balance the budget(which essentially involves saying "I will balance the budget after victory in Iraq"). That is a straight up lie. Read the statement, nowhere does it mention anything about gas tax or balancing the budget. It's mostly feel good fluff.

It doesn't matter one wit what McCain does or says or what his campaign or surrogates do or say. The narrative is that "the campaign is a referedum on Obama".

In practice, that means spending four days decrying him as flip-flopping on Iraq through parsing one word and ignoring the consistency of his statements over the past 12 months.

And for McCain? It means that he can flip-flop on every major issue and not get called on it. He can even flip-flop on his own "bipartisan" legislation and not get called on it. First immigration and now climate change.

His economic plan, where he releases numbers, is the equivalent of sloppy joe. And still, what are we talking about today? Obama said "English only" is stupid, and that's somehow bad?

John Kerry had economists endorse him, so there is no story here!!!

If anything, the economists were lying when they signed the statement.

I think we need to stop and acknowledge that Al is taking hackery to a new level here. This is like fucking Zen hackery.

Can his plan even be called economic? Can it be called a plan for that matter?

I've never bought into the media bias meme, but this is getting out of hand. It's a good thing that no one is paying attention right now and the MSM gets to get its mancrush on McCain out of its system by the time conventions roll around and start covering both candidates. I hope....

Uh, no. If anything, the economists were lying when they signed the statement.

Uh, no Al. Signatures were obtained months in advance of even creating that document and then they attached to it as if they were support. Saying somebody gave their support to something that wasn't even written at the time is ... A LIE!

WTF? Why are all Republicans so truth challenged? Is it just that their arguments and accomplishments so unbelievably lame that they can't stand on their own? Or do they just enjoy lying?

Its pretty much up to the economists, both those on the list and those not, to make news by rejecting McCain's proposed policies. Otherwise people will simply accept that economists, who at least come off as conservative scumbags, endorse McCain.

The problem, as the writer of the linked article points out, is that McCain is engaging in a classic "bait & switch", which is, frankly, stunning in its dishonesty.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_McCain_s_Bait_Switch
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/john-mccains-bait-switch.php

The writer points out that it's not whether the economists actually support McCain's ENTIRE economic plan, but rather, that McCain's advisers had them sign a one page doctrine of BROAD ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES & then turned around and used those signatures as backing for the ENTIRE PLAN.

One of the central tenets of the ENTIRE PLAN, is a balanced budget at the end of the first term, which EVEN THE MCCAIN SUPPORTERS admit is absurd.

If a retail business were doing what the McCain campaign is doing, it would be a CRIME.

Uh, no Al. Signatures were obtained months in advance of even creating that document and then they attached to it as if they were support. Saying somebody gave their support to something that wasn't even written at the time is ... A LIE!

What are you talking about??? Did you even read the letter?

The letter they signed explained exactly the policies they are supporting. The letter was not written after the economists gave their signatures. It's all quite self explanatory - if the economists in question didn't support the policies listed in the letter, they shouldn't have signed the letter!

The problem, as the writer of the linked article points out, is that McCain is engaging in a classic "bait & switch", which is, frankly, stunning in its dishonesty.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_McCain_s_Bait_Switch
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/john-mccains-bait-switch.php

The writer points out that it's not whether the economists actually support McCain's ENTIRE economic plan, but rather, that McCain's advisers had them sign a one page doctrine of BROAD ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES & then turned around and used those signatures as backing for the ENTIRE PLAN.

One of the central tenets of the ENTIRE PLAN, is a balanced budget at the end of the first term, which EVEN THE MCCAIN SUPPORTERS admit is absurd.

If a retail business were doing what the McCain campaign is doing, it would be a CRIME.

The problem, as the writer of the linked article points out, is that McCain is engaging in a classic "bait & switch", which is, frankly, stunning in its dishonesty.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_McCain_s_Bait_Switch
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/john-mccains-bait-switch.php

The writer points out that it's not whether the economists actually support McCain's ENTIRE economic plan, but rather, that McCain's advisers had them sign a one page doctrine of BROAD ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES & then turned around and used those signatures as backing for the ENTIRE PLAN.

One of the central tenets of the ENTIRE PLAN, is a balanced budget at the end of the first term, which EVEN THE MCCAIN SUPPORTERS admit is absurd.

If a retail business were doing what the McCain campaign is doing, it would be a CRIME.

The problem, as the writer of the linked article points out, is that McCain is engaging in a classic "bait & switch", which is, frankly, stunning in its dishonesty.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_McCain_s_Bait_Switch
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/john-mccains-bait-switch.php

The writer points out that it's not whether the economists actually support McCain's ENTIRE economic plan, but rather, that McCain's advisers had them sign a one page doctrine of BROAD ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES & then turned around and used those signatures as backing for the ENTIRE PLAN.

One of the central tenets of the ENTIRE PLAN, is a balanced budget at the end of the first term, which EVEN THE MCCAIN SUPPORTERS admit is absurd.

If a retail business were doing what the McCain campaign is doing, it would be a CRIME.

Peter M: If you haven't been clued in on the ridiculous Atlantic server problem, just hit post ONCE. Your post will make it onto the blog no matter if you get a server error or not.

Matt - CALL YOUR BOSSES AND FIX THE FUCKING SERVER!

I've sent you FOUR server error emails today alone. Four fucking server errors for four straight posts.

Get off your fat ass and call your bosses.

John McCain is teaching those elitist "economic experts" a thing or two - in this case, the classic and all-American business practice of "bait and switch". Go McCain!

http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/

As you may note, Megan McCardle disagrees with you (and the good old Hawk quotes her), mainly because, as she said in a comment at Kevin Drum's site, John Kerry did "exactly the same thing." Of course, that's not true. Kerry had economists say they generally supported him, but he didn't then say they endorsed a plan they had never even seen. As others note here, it's McCain's mendacity that's stunning, and I'm surprised more of the economists aren't a little put out. Or maybe they are, but they aren't talking.

Can his plan even be called economic? Can it be called a plan for that matter?

Calling it an economic plan polled better than calling it the Holy Roman Empire.

How many of us are getting really angry at the media for their blatant bias towards McCain?

We need to start protesting this in many ways...email, calls, letters, etc. It does matter; it's how the right wing intimidated the media into its current form.

This election would not even be close were it not for the media covering for McCain.

Cm, if you think letters to the editors of the Washington Post and the New York Times are going to change the coverage of the anointed next President of the United States, I have some nuclear weapons development facilities in Iran to sell you.

There is some serious money going to be put into making sure McCain wins this election. That and a new war will be started.

Trust me - your complaint letters will not matter compared to that.


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